PSA: Reasonable probability that charm has been nerfed

[SirAlvarex]

On the inverse, when I was pulling in Seb on Sunday I was resisting about 70% of the spells the lower level frogs were throwing at me. I eventually stopped charm pulling casters because "whats the point?"

To point you at your own thread, I think they may have implemented the 255 cap without telling us.

[ripwind]

Originally Posted by SirAlvarex [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To point you at your own thread, I think they may have implemented the 255 cap without telling us.

Sometimes code changes go up to production by accident, too.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you have two data points that are different than the others (read: 2 intentional breaks vs. "natural" breaks) and you know which two data points those are, why can't you just highlight+delete them? You've got a relatively small sample size, shouldn't be that hard to find them and delete them from the set.

Because those are not random. The ones I break are likely to be the better ones.

Actually, probably the best thing to do would be resample from the set of unintentionally broken charms that lasted at least as long as this one.

Now that I think about that, that's a pretty good idea. Hmm.

[falkun]

No, that would artificially alter the data.

Take all data with the same controls (CHA, player_level, mob_level, debuffs (tash & malo), "natural" charm break, zone, mob), and only discard data that does not match the controls. If you start discarding data because it doesn't fit what you expect, then you are fitting the data to your conclusion(s), not the conclusion(s) to your data.

[Splorf22]

Imagine I am charm soloing for XP. I charm something and send it at thing two. If charm breaks, I recharm it. Finally after it kills the enemy I break charm and kill it. The charms I break are disproportionately the longer ones. Example:

Fight #1: Charm (100s), break, Charm (100s), self break, kill
Fight #2: Charm (200s), self break, kill

If we simply average those we get 133s (and the actual duration is higher!). If we throw out the two that were broken by the caster, we get 100s, which is clearly wrong. And this bias will persist as you add more samples.

I am suggesting "pretend the charm was allowed to continue until it broke on its own by replacing it with one that broke naturally that lasted at least that long"

[falkun]

So you are artificially lowering the mean by instigating the charm break. Wouldn't these be offset by the super short natural charm breaks to get your true distribution? Either way, let the data speak for itself. Unbiased data cannot be right or wrong, it just is, only analysis can be correct or incorrect.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by newsmurf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i spend more time at ng and other varius areas of seb than catherine and i can agree with all of you to some degree, the mr of mobs has been buffed.

Im not sure where you get that you are at seb camps more than me [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] but after spending more time there I'm still convinced there is no change, or if there is, it is too negligible to prove or disprove

[Splorf22]

Yeah I'm starting to believe I was just pretty unlucky [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I had fun doing the math though!

[lecompte]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I'm starting to believe I was just pretty unlucky [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I had fun doing the math though!

And that is what is important. /me pats Splorf22 on the head.

[wwoneo]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

most powerful class needs a nerf.

See, this kind of logic is the reason why games start to fail. It's not that the "most powerful" classes need nerfs. If there's REALLY an imbalance, then the correct course of action is to buff the crappy classes! If you want to complain that course of action makes the game easier, then buff the mobs too, but the psychological aspect of nerfing your character is quite frustrating. P.S. I don't play a chanter.