PSA: Reasonable probability that charm has been nerfed

[Splorf22]

New: Loraen (230 cha on average) vs L50 average mobs: 128 seconds +/- 22s
Old: Loraen (225 cha on average) vs L53 Ilis in Sebilis: 127 seconds +/- 28s

If I am doing my math correctly (never guaranteed!) the average charm on a L50 mob is now probably just over 2 minutes, unlikely (15%) to be over 2:30, and extremely unlikely (<1%) to be 3 minutes, which would be my estimate before the patch. It appears you can now charm L50 mobs with approximately the same duration as L53 mobs prepatch. I used a really simple procedure that somehow I went through graduate school without learning called bootstrapping to determine the variance.

caveat: These are just from my normal play so there are two that I broke early with the goblin ring. That probably skews the duration down slightly, but there is no good way to remove them from the set. On the other hand the fact that I only broke two out of almost 20 speaks for itself.

[Mon Jul 15 18:07:35 2013] You begin casting Allure.
[Mon Jul 15 18:08:04 2013] Your Allure spell has worn off. 29s - 6 = 23s
[Mon Jul 15 18:08:23 2013] You begin casting Allure.
[Mon Jul 15 18:15:17 2013] Your Allure spell has worn off. 6:54 - 6 = 406s
[Mon Jul 15 18:16:19 2013] You begin casting Allure.
[Mon Jul 15 18:22:12 2013] Your Allure spell has worn off. 5:53 - 6 = 347s
[Mon Jul 15 18:22:37 2013] You begin casting Allure.
[Mon Jul 15 18:25:08 2013] Your Allure spell has worn off. 2:31+ - 6 = 145s
[Mon Jul 15 18:37:42 2013] You begin casting Allure.
[Mon Jul 15 18:38:03 2013] Your Allure spell has worn off. :21 - 6 = 15s
[Mon Jul 15 18:38:20 2013] You begin casting Allure.
[Mon Jul 15 18:40:33 2013] Your Allure spell has worn off. 2:13 - 6 = 127s
[Mon Jul 15 18:54:41 2013] You begin casting Allure.
[Mon Jul 15 18:56:33 2013] Your Allure spell has worn off. 1:52 - 6 = 106s
[Mon Jul 15 18:56:57 2013] You begin casting Allure.
[Mon Jul 15 18:58:03 2013] Your Allure spell has worn off. 1:06 - 6 = 60s
[Mon Jul 15 18:58:14 2013] You begin casting Alluring Whispers.
[Mon Jul 15 18:59:57 2013] Your Alluring Whispers spell has worn off. 1:43 - 16 = 87s
[Mon Jul 15 19:00:20 2013] You begin casting Alluring Whispers.
[Mon Jul 15 19:01:03 2013] Your Alluring Whispers spell has worn off. :43 - 16 = 27s
[Mon Jul 15 19:01:13 2013] You begin casting Alluring Whispers.
[Mon Jul 15 19:02:15 2013] Your Alluring Whispers spell has worn off. 1:02 - 16 = 44s
[Mon Jul 15 19:03:05 2013] You begin casting Alluring Whispers.
[Mon Jul 15 19:07:28 2013] Your Alluring Whispers spell has worn off. 4:23 - 16 = 247s
[Tue Jul 16 10:38:38 2013] You begin casting Allure.
[Tue Jul 16 10:44:08 2013] Your Allure spell has worn off. 5:30+ - 6 = 324s
[Tue Jul 16 10:53:25 2013] You begin casting Allure.
[Tue Jul 16 10:55:38 2013] Your Allure spell has worn off. 2:13 - 6 = 127s
[Tue Jul 16 10:55:56 2013] You begin casting Allure.
[Tue Jul 16 10:56:45 2013] Your Allure spell has worn off. :49 - 6 = 43s
[Tue Jul 16 10:57:20 2013] You begin casting Allure.
[Tue Jul 16 10:58:33 2013] Your Allure spell has worn off. 1:13 - 6 = 67s
[Tue Jul 16 10:58:52 2013] You begin casting Allure.
[Tue Jul 16 10:59:51 2013] Your Allure spell has worn off. :59 - 6 = 53s
[Tue Jul 16 11:00:11 2013] You begin casting Allure.
[Tue Jul 16 11:00:57 2013] Your Allure spell has worn off. :46 - 6 = 40s

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[SamwiseRed]

most powerful class needs a nerf.

[wwoneo]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

most powerful class needs a nerf.

See, this kind of logic is the reason why games start to fail. It's not that the "most powerful" classes need nerfs. If there's REALLY an imbalance, then the correct course of action is to buff the crappy classes! If you want to complain that course of action makes the game easier, then buff the mobs too, but the psychological aspect of nerfing your character is quite frustrating. P.S. I don't play a chanter.

[Swish]

Kudos to the OP for gathering the info... I guess time will tell on how it feels for everyone. All the enchanters will adjust regardless, just get to 60 and its all easier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Barkingturtle]

I suspect J-Boots are about 3% slower, too.

[Swish]

WTS Tinfoil hat with "tashan" effect built in.

[Spitty]

This thread isn't as...charming...as I expected it to be.

[lecompte]

Please ignore all off topic posts -- including Splorf's responses to Barkingturtle.

Splorf/Loraen. I don't have prepatch data for 60 enchanter charms but I bet you do for mobs outside of Seb. Name a couple, I'll put charisma at 230, like yours, and post my logs for you to review.

[lecompte]

That'd be fine, but with that we can't exclude MR buff to mobs in Seb or a nerf to tash. I was hoping to exclude some other potential factors while checking the hypothesis.

[Splorf22]

I was very careful to dispell them first. It should be good data.