Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You'll have to do some research for the exact news post that implemented it, I'm sure that contains information. Or perhaps your fellow players will help. I'm not here to answer your question about why every policy exists, just to fix your misconceptions.

You're still comparing it to eqlive in the rest of your post. It's not an EQLive related policy. You should stop doing that.

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I honestly didn't read many responses to Rogean, so I never seen your reply. However, from what I remember, VP is the way it is due to the fact that IB and TMO were always petitioning raids and that VP had/has horrible pathing. I was there before it opened and was there when it was opened and the months following.

I am pretty sure both of those reasons were stated, one reason VP was supposedly delayed and then forced to roll for mobs was because of all the shit slinging months prior (supposedly).

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty much this is what I remember. I think Rogean even made a post. Now that there is FTE, and a lot has changed on the server I don't see why the zone should be a FFA. Haven't been able to read all 72 pages yet, so if I am wrong, then I am wrong.

It was said, It is known.

P.S. The PnP policy means absolutely nothing to how things were actually handled, so you factually proved nothing. A policy and how a Policy is enforced are two completely different things, I would think that you guys could, at the very least, grasp that.

[timhutton]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was said, It is known.

P.S. The PnP policy means absolutely nothing to how things were actually handled, so you factually proved nothing. A policy and how a Policy is enforced are two completely different things, I would think that you guys could, at the very least, grasp that.

I'm sorry, I'm just not going to take your (or anyone else who could potentially be biased) memory or recollections with regards to the matter.

I do trust Ambrotos slightly more however. Finding the post by Rogean would be awesome.

That said, if what you say is true, with Ambrotos stating his opinion on the zone not remaining a FFA, and Nilbog chiming in to state that pathing has been fixed for about a month now with no reported issues, I think the more important question is not why was training allowed when the zone was released (almost 2 whole years ago) but rather why is training STILL allowed despite all these fixes, and how do we get it's status reevaluated?'

Would be awesome if someone of authority could offer some insight (Nilbog/Rogean/Sirken).

[Rogean]

Tasslehofp99 needs to work on his reading comprehension.

[Rhuma7]

I will throw this in from the server rules as well with some bolding to reinforce the thread.

Q: What if our raid is disrupted? What if our raid interferes with another raid?
A: You may petition in game and if a staff member is available we will be more than happy to show up and evaluate the situation as it occurs. If a staff member is unavailable then please feel free to submit your petition under petitions/exploits on the forums at www.project1999.org. please be sure to include all relevant fraps & screenshots that you feel build your case. Players are not permitted to take the law into their own hands. You are not batman and two wrongs do not make a right, therefore killstealing or general douchebaggery are not permitted under any circumstances. ever.

[Faerie]

I feel that training should be allowed on blue, but not on red. On blue all you can really do is train each other, and on red we have other means of pvping. Namely pvp.

[Rogean]

Angering me would be another one of your misconceptions. It takes a lot to get me angry. You're just seeing me facepalming due to having to explain something multiple times. People may even get banned when I get angry, and that happens like... once a year? I dunno.

Anywho, just saying like it is. And if you read my disclaimer again I did say I wasn't stating the rule couldn't be changed. I just wanted to correct aforementioned misconception.

[Rhuma7]

It would be pretty funny if the rule was revoked and if a guild trained another guild in VP all their keys would be deleted [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Think twice before being a douchebag lol

If I was owner of p99, I wonder if the population would love or hate me?

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

No training allowed. Makes it better place for everyone.

[Vianna]

I honestly think it should be open to discussion again. It just doesn't make sense that training would be allowed in any zones with the current state of the server. Whether it is FE,IB,TMO or whomever it is.. It's just interfering with a raid instead of racing for targets. I mean if another guild beats you to the target you can just train them to get it ? Variance was put in for a reason to make it a competition...a race. FTE shouts are now in game to let people know who won the race. Training at this point seems to be a mechanic that allows the slower guild in each race in VP to still win the target with interference... That doesn't really fit in the spirit of competition. I mean I understand if it stays in... It just doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of the mechanics introduced to the game.

Just my 2 cents.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I honestly think it should be open to discussion again. It just doesn't make sense that training would be allowed in any zones with the current state of the server. Whether it is FE,IB,TMO or whomever it is.. It's just interfering with a raid instead of racing for targets. I mean if another guild beats you to the target you can just train them to get it ? Variance was put in for a reason to make it a competition...a race. FTE shouts are now in game to let people know who won the race. Training at this point seems to be a mechanic that allows the slower guild in each race in VP to still win the target with interference... That doesn't really fit in the spirit of competition. I mean I understand if it stays in... It just doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of the mechanics introduced to the game.

Just my 2 cents.

Couldnt have said it better myself, I agree with you on the fact that it may be time to revisit this discussion as a server. Maybe we can work out a system which makes more sense and supports the mantra of classic everquest we all love.

I mean its silly to me people bring up stuff like item links and /makeleader yet discussions regarding training in VP never happen and if they do trolls are on it like flies to a bag of shit.