Autosplit System: P99 vs Live

[tinidas]

If wishes were horses... I'd do what Khazim said:

Originally Posted by khazim [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you could design a system where it would only downconvert the oddball leftovers. If you're on a three man group and the initial loot was 5p, 0g, 0s, 0c would only split as follows: The first three platinum should split evenly with 1pp each. The 2p left over get down converted to 20 gold, which also split with 6 gold each, with the leftover 2 gold going to the looter. That way, the ML is getting a slight advantage but not getting overwhelmed in gobs of coin.

Live was a long time ago for me, but recall autosplit getting close enough to even that it was the standard and ML the exception.

[skorge]

Originally Posted by Karnek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the original game it didn't downconvert anything. I played a warrior most of live and the function hasn't changed. Essentially if a mob has 5pp 6gp 0sp 0cp the group would receive 1gp each while the looter would receive 5pp 1gp. It isn't so much an issue when mobs drop 6p+ in Sebilis and beyond. I imagine most people just turn auto split off and just try and be fair to their group. Making the system downconvert would only harm casters with low strength who would have to just destroy the silver and copper.

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[Dominick]

Theres a fork in the road, do we create a P1999 system or not?

If not we spend a lot of time looking for evidence on how the live system worked, and I think that doesn't really makes sense in the labor to results ratio. I would rather the devs go insane working on other issues.

I would suggest we randomize the coin, for a six person group, with a 5pp drop 5 get a coin and one random person gets nothing. Just follow that scheme down the line for GP, SP and CP. Its much simpler than trying to recreate a formula we don't really understand. One person not getting loot was a part of the Live system, and I think we can retain that after a fashion.

I don't like the down convert option, thats too far from the live version.

It may eliminate the looter coin advantage, but I still don't think that aspect adds a meaningful wrinkle to the P1999 immersion.

[Braveguard]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How so?

I posted a bit about it on another thread. From my perspective, it's not so much worth worrying about. I'll just turn split off. My regular partner and I share our plat pool anyway so it doesn't matter to me that we get an even split. I would have to do more extensive testing on it than I'm willing to put into such a non-issue but it seems like maybe some of the coin is being dropped in the split. Then again, maybe we just had really horrible luck.

[Braveguard]

FYI, I don't remember any downconvert in live. We always used a master looter who would do a /split at the end of a group.

[Uthgaard]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just tested this with even and odd coin amounts in varying group sizes. It works correctly. The coins are split evenly, until there aren't enough coins to be split, at which point the looter gets the remainder, which is how it functioned on live.

I actually posted this before I saw this thread. It's working correctly as it is right now. There was never any downconverting. It was advantageous to be the one to loot every corpse even if you had split on.

In zones where mobs would frequently drop ~5 plat, you could quickly make a decent amount of cash off a group of 6 who weren't aware of the split mechanics.

[Darklake]

As a Druid on live from 2000 I was often ML (ports/SoW/strength buffs made being encumbered a lot easier) and would just have to write down at the beginning of a session what coins I started with so I could split at the end. Autosplit never downchanged, the looter always had the remainder after dividing each type of coin amongst the group.

[Noselacri]

Autosplit didn't split money evenly. I don't know the exact formula, but generally the looter got the lion's share and everyone else got small change. If you didn't loot, you'd come out with like 3p 75g 400s 800c. Since most common mobs drop like 1p 5g 7s, everyone else got practically nothing.

[Nocte]

The existing system works ideally with a master looter who would split coins at the end of the group (or before one member left). Works even better when all the coin is split after all the bronze/FS/gems/etc are sold.

[Live4Redline]

Theres no way... with the system thats in place now you would be required to ML in every group situation. And on my server which was the same as your server we didn't ML EVERY SINGLE group we made. You would ML the ones with in reach of a vendor. Allot of it had to do with weight and carrying capacity early on with the lack of knowledge of where gear was. There would be no point at all to have /auto split turned on with the current system in place and i distinctly remember being required to LEAVE it on unless in a ML'er situation.

I think the autosplit system was more complicated then what we have in place now and didn't just end with one guy getting all the money and everyone else getting nothing even with autosplit ON.

I'd also like to bring up the point of what coin the mobs are dropping. Were the loot tables copied from Live or re-generated for the emu servers? Because if they where re-generated then its gonna be hard to copy the classic feel if they had the coins pre-split up to handle this so that the autosplit system worked more effectually. And if thats the case then your still better off doing some sort of down split system because just giving all the coins to one person isn't classic ether.


If you guys start putting this to some serious testing you'll notice that 95% of your group looting your rewarded with nothing or only one silver and some times one or two copper every split. And this was done on mobs with over five plat on them. THIS IS NOT CLASSIC. For what ever reason, due it the autosplit system or the mob loot tables its not right. It was manageable that one guy may get one plat or two gold more then the rest of the group... but not five or six plat more then the rest of the group.