Conservatism vs Progressivism

[Hastley]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lets not get into attacking anon accounts, some of our most ignorant posters may be some of the most powerful IRL

some of our most moral of posters may be the most wealthy.

last thing we need is another fucking person on the forums like noscow that posts about how hot his fat as whife is.

Background qualifications are important in determining the stakes and motives posters have. Don't care about random peoples progeny or wives though. So, are you a citizen of the USA?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you neocons[/U]

Good one

[iruinedyourday]

Of course people in jail often commit crimes to get there, you so dumb to think progressives think everyone in there is innocent?

a progressive looks at the way people in poor parts of the country are behaving - lets take selling crack for example.

well, for one putting people in jail for selling crack, does nothing to stop people from selling it. Infact it increases the amount of crime in the areas where people sell it. Hence some of the other inmates being jailed, for:

Originally Posted by Filthy_Pagan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"my girl was cheating on me so i beat the shit out of her" or "i shot somebody over a gang dispute".

A progressive looks at why are people in this neighborhood selling crack, is it because they are poor and miserable and human, (don't forget ALL humans do drugs) crack is just the cheapest one available?

If we legalize drug use and provide health care for anyone, like in any developed nation we reduce crime, reduce addiction, reduce usage.

who pays for it?

people likely outside of your tax bracket, so not you.

who saves money?

you do, because quality of life increases and cost of living well goes down. Less cost for insurance , less cost for health care, less cost for education.

taking care of your neighbor means you have good neighbors, treating your neighbor like shit, means they have a shitty neighbor.

Now all that aside, how come you don't hear any stores from filthy pagan about all the white people who do coke, which is the same fucking drug as crack.

OH YEA cus the CONSERVATIVE run system was attempting to disenfranchise black voters by sending them to jail thereby revoking their ability to vote.

[Pokesan]

war is good if it benefits the united states, which it does!

[Blitzers]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I want to address this though... the way I see the two systems is

Conservatives: Society wants people to behave a certain way, so it creates laws that make people behave the way it wants you to.

Progressive: Looks at the way people behave, crates programs based on that behavior to help facilitate positive change. If you don't want to change, that's ok, it's your right.

Conservatism is Idealistic and progressivism is realistic. One is free the other is oppressive.

Makes no sense to me that conservatives tout the word freedom while imposing social laws on people time and time again.

*edit* side note - 60% military tax spending is steeling money from me for something that I am not just morally against but economically against.

I have no voice in 60% of my taxes, in my FREE country... if anyone is steeling anything, its the conservative party.

Seems like you have no grasp of history whatsoever. ALERT ALERT, War existed thousands of years before the Creation of the USA. It's like you think if America didn't exist there would be no wars. History has proven a Stong Military and Economy is necessary for the survival of a nation. Military should be the only TAX expense for a government. Have idiot politicians made horrible mistakes when using our military, yes. That has nothing to do with conservative policy or ideology. I would like to see YOU IRUINEDYOURDAY talk yourself out of a beheading from ISIS. I'm positive you'd convert just to save your own ass.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Blitzers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Military should be the only TAX expense for a government

If this was the way our government worked, you'd be spending 110% of your paycheck for just using the fucking the corporate owned road idiot.

Originally Posted by Blitzers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have idiot politicians made horrible mistakes when using our military, yes. That has nothing to do with conservative policy or ideology.

incorrect, it is conservative idiot politicians that making those mistakes using our military.

Originally Posted by Blitzers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would like to see YOU IRUINEDYOURDAY talk yourself out of a beheading from ISIS

I am not a coward (like you appear to be) afraid of the conservative military created ISIS that has no threat to any american lives outside of the military we send there to create them.

[Spyder73]

IRYD dodging questions of nationality? Are you a United States citizen?

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IRYD dodging questions of nationality? Are you a United States citizen?

in order to dodge a beheading i pledged allegiance to the state of ISIS located somewhere in yours and everyone else's, backyard.

[Spyder73]

NSA definitely is monitoring this post now - way to go - lots of triggers here

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

NSA definitely is monitoring this post now - way to go - lots of triggers here

reading correspondence and data mining for political oppression, another great conservative policy ladies and gentlemen!

Thanks for adding to the list Spyder [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]