Level 60 v Level 60 - no gear

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Won a few fights on RZ as a rogue because of this =)

Also, necro lifetap is like 330 and all spells are reduced to 66% in PvP, so like 220.

Advantage Wood Elf Rogue in Kunark as it can forage an Iksar Phalange to back stab ...

Is that permitted in the rules?

Hell, if you start naked, can you just beat up mobs in zone to take their loot while the pvp battle is happening?

Also, mind trick spell have varying effectiveness depending on which pvp ruleset / era is being used. Like is this duel, arena, red server???

[Seducio]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

depending on which pvp ruleset / era is being used. Like is this duel, arena, red server???

This era. So this server but in the arena. Think like the Best of the Best contests that were run in the past but with any of the 14 classes as a participant that is level 60 with no gear, no items, etc. while having all spells and all songs.

[Castle2.0]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bard DA sounds cute but if we're gonna theorycraft this battle the wizard could just yonder if stun doesn't land due to DA and the repeat the kill.

a wiz with self-buffs should survive a harmtouch too.

Yonder sounds cute, but good luck with your 50 distance unlucky yonder with 5 second recast.

If not, bard kites for another 10 min until DA back online =)

[Castle2.0]

If we assume perfect decision-making and perfect execution, and no armor/items so it's purely class vs class, bard wins.

Don't forget bards can LoS casters pretty easily. They just peak for LoS when the song is going to land.

[Castle2.0]

Also, there are some AE songs that would be interesting to use as well. Can start casting them outside of spell range then run in on the no-sow wiz/nec/enc to land faster than their stuns.

Depends on what patch era we are on. Charming and fearing players was fun. Even once they patched that, for a while since the bard fear was AE you could still hit players.

Level 15 AE mez got mega nerfed, but for a season it was hugely OP.

[Seducio]

What if your opponent is also a bard?

[Vivitron]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, there are some AE songs that would be interesting to use as well. Can start casting them outside of spell range then run in on the no-sow wiz/nec/enc to land faster than their stuns.

That would be interesting to see. 200 range typical offense spell - 35 claimed wiki denon's bereavement range = 165 range to run while the target casts. A puretone bard can strafe-run that in about 2.12 seconds; with practice you could probably land it and get out without eating a 2.5sec mez, but I'm doubtful many could consistently execute that without eating a 2.25 second tishan's discord (edit: listed wrong wizard spell).

I'm not sure if any stun/mez level caps apply in pvp except that you can't ae mez yourself? I know I ate an ae mez from an opponent in the arena once, but haven't tested more than that.

[Castle2.0]

Originally Posted by Seducio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What if your opponent is also a bard?

Nah. Bard wins.

Originally Posted by Vivitron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That would be interesting to see. 200 range typical offense spell - 35 claimed wiki denon's bereavement range = 165 range to run while the target casts. A puretone bard can strafe-run that in about 2.12 seconds; with practice you could probably land it and get out without eating a 2.5sec mez, but I'm doubtful many could consistently execute that without eating a 2.25 second tishan's discord (edit: listed wrong wizard spell).

I'm not sure if any stun/mez level caps apply in pvp except that you can't ae mez yourself? I know I ate an ae mez from an opponent in the arena once, but haven't tested more than that.

You don't need to get out. You land a single fear, mez, or stun that allows you to start chain mezzing. Game over.

[Seducio]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah. Bard wins.

Bard also loses that one.

[Castle2.0]

Originally Posted by Seducio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bard also loses that one.

Nah, bard always wins.