Necromancers Versus Magicians As Soloers

[Estu]

Originally Posted by Noleafclover [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People beat around the bush here.

Mage pet has level + 1 damage shield, costs 200 mana, lives to kill 3 blue mobs, gets reclaimed for 110ish mana, recast. 90 mana spent in 3 minutes, 3 mobs killed, likely 3x 90 mana regened. Mana goes up while you chain kill things.

Similar story at lower levels, although since healing isn't as mana efficient (not large enough pet hp pull), you pretty much stay even or have a slight mana gain while healing the pet.

Doesn't this ignore recasting to get the highest level pet? Or is this unimportant?

Also: I appreciate the discussion on mages and necros but can anyone also offer some insight on the pet and mob weapon question?

[Elissa]

Originally Posted by Noleafclover [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People beat around the bush here.

Mage pet has level + 1 damage shield, costs 200 mana, lives to kill 3 blue mobs, gets reclaimed for 110ish mana, recast. 90 mana spent in 3 minutes, 3 mobs killed, likely 3x 90 mana regened. Mana goes up while you chain kill things.

Similar story at lower levels, although since healing isn't as mana efficient (not large enough pet hp pull), you pretty much stay even or have a slight mana gain while healing the pet.

I dunno, 3 is pushing it at higher levels, and you're definitely assuming all solo pulls. Also, if you're pulling seafuries or something you're not going to kill 3 of them without a single heal or nuke.

[nalkin]

If you are level 45+ on a mage and outside a group you should not be nuking. Unless you are fighting multiple mobs at once and you don't have room to maneuver. The only thing you should be doing as a high level mage is chain petting fire.

[Noleafclover]

Originally Posted by Elissa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dunno, 3 is pushing it at higher levels, and you're definitely assuming all solo pulls. Also, if you're pulling seafuries or something you're not going to kill 3 of them without a single heal or nuke.

Had just come from specs vs. 44 pet, so yeah, that's prolly not the fairest baseline. But seafuries are the other extreme (1.5 lv. 44 pets per seafury). Seems like the answer would be 2 mobs per pet average, or a little less, 39+ (when you start chaining), assuming blues a few levels below you.

A single heal? If we're talking higher levels, it's really inefficient to heal past 39 (could make an argument for 34, but you lose dps then when not giving pet weapons). I only did it at kedge front room 'cause the mana requirement was peanuts, and I couldn't go any further.

[Noleafclover]

Originally Posted by nalkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are level 8+* on a mage and outside a group you should not be nuking. (aside from special circumstances)

*Fixed.

[Tseng]

Lies, Burst of Flame counts as a nuke.

[Noleafclover]

Originally Posted by Tseng [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lies, Burst of Flame counts as a nuke.

Burn! 7m 14 damage, same cast time. It's really the reason mages are broken.

[Lelroni]

This might have been mentioned, but to the people saying our pets are soloing while we afk, or taking mobs down without any assistance from the mage at all, if we let that happen, then our exp from that mob turns to shit. We get what, 25% of the exp? But on the other hand, we just need to do 1 damage to get the full experience points. I'm not saying mages are bad, but when kunark rolls out I'm sure necro's will be better aswell. (I remember something about fire pets turning to crap in kunark, dont' they start to cast spells? not 100% sure.)