Game Mechanics: Melee Dmg

[Syft-X]

Originally Posted by Bokke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've seen 1700 standing as well, on cloth.

I feel like AC isn't doing as much as it should be. Rogues definitely shredded casters on live (although they didn't one shot buffed geared casters) but I remember the damage on leather targets being noticeably lower, and then even lower for mail and plate.

Melee are so over-tuned on this server its nuts. Velious resist and HP gear will make them even more into unstoppable gods.

I guess I'm gonna have to roll a melee because they refuse to tune melee's down to classic lvl's and continue to balance casters like they are overpowered.

[Colgate]

got any proof? or just 16 year old anecdotes?

[Lasher]

I think rog top bs hit is fine. However, i think rogs top hit bs too often. Those top bs should usually be on naked players, people with rez effects, anyone sitting, or that lucky hit.

As for melee in general I think accuracy is too high.

Also I think minium hits for 2hnder is either too low or hits too low too often. Ill run around 255 str and with VP twohander see a lot of low dmg hits, i think around 30 or 40. Not saying it should be max dmg but just higher.

[Syft-X]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

got any proof? or just 16 year old anecdotes?

I think that the fact that Sullon Zek which had the only public ranked boards and the top 200 was 99% casters says a fucking lot.

And i actually played classic unlike the guy who was seven years old asking me for proof about a game he didn't play.

[Colgate]

so no proof?

[Nirgon]

oh you mean druids that could port around the world and kill tons of evil scrubs (overpopulated team) had the highest # of kills? go on

Smallmee appears to have a few kills on this server too, seems classic

[SamwiseRed]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

oh you mean druids that could port around the world and kill tons of evil scrubs (overpopulated team) had the highest # of kills? go on

Smallmee appears to have a few kills on this server too, seems classic

eh smallmee was 54. you know how easy it is to kill untwinked people with a 54 druid? you can pretty much wipe com/solb groups with a single blizzard. I wouldn't use that as any evidence to support what is and what isnt balanced. Balance should centered around the endgame as in planar/dragon geared 60s. It is hard to keep things classic but the gear difference between classic and now is off the charts. There is no denying rogues are strong as fuck. I actually worry about them more than t staff monks. so much dmg even vs my 59 warrior with close to 1k ac. I still get double backstabbed for 400+.

My best guess is AC in pvp is worthless. I could be wrong though but my warrior takes the same dmg as my druid except my warrior has more hp.

[compulsion]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

oh you mean druids that could port around the world and kill tons of evil scrubs (overpopulated team) had the highest # of kills? go on

Smallmee appears to have a few kills on this server too, seems classic

It is too bad Sony removed the board links from the first 6 months or so on SZ. I linked them when tstaff was a full 12+ sec stun on here, while there was only 1 monk on the leaderboards between all 3 teams, and more rangers than rogues. Even with Luclin gear there were very few good rogues; Dougie, Inorcist, Fyvish... As opposed to this server where everyone who gets humiliated daily on their caster is just sitting at a plat camp saving up for a ragebringer MQ.

Check out Nedrian's killshots from Lucid-Vision.org and look at the damage he puts out in Velious gear with epic. He hits barely harder than I do on a 43 ranger with a css, and misses around 40% of the time, where I rarely see a miss in PvP unless it is on a red.

When Inorcist posted his screenshots from PoP, his damage was barely better than what we see from epic'd rogues on here. And despite years of playing max level PvP on RZ and SZ, I've never seen a 600 damage throw hit on me or in a screenshot.

This server is not even remotely "classic", it just has a handful of players who have been playing various boxes for so long that their knowledge of emu code exploits has become their "precious" despite the fact that it may make the game shit. Sword of runes bug making level 25 pets do 50+ dps? Invis pulling? 18 second tstaff stuns? People just so deeply immersed that having the "best pixel in the game" means more to them than playing a good game.

[Colgate]

sword of runes fixed, invis pulling fixed, tstaff proc fixed

have seen velious era screenshots of a rogue duelist backstabbing a geared out SK for over 700 on a single hit

post some prof u feel me?

[compulsion]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sword of runes fixed, invis pulling fixed, tstaff proc fixed

Every single one of those things was vigorously defended by the "community" here. It's like that guy at work who has been passed over for promotion for the last decade but firmly believes he is smarter than anyone else because he is really good at sudoku.

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

have seen velious era screenshots of a rogue duelist backstabbing a geared out SK for over 700 on a single hit

post some prof u feel me?

Look at *every* single old screenshot that exists and you will see dw melees missing regularly and hitting for crap damage. Look at *every* single screenshot that gets posted on these forums and you will see a solid string of hits, usually within 30% of max damage.

http://www.lucid-vision.org/viewimage.php?imageid=368

^ Tstaff monk in Luclin gear with epic. ~20% of his hits did more than 100 damage. Of around 25 hits, the best attack was 143 damage. On this server, with Kunark gear, 80% of those hits would be for ~130-155.

Look at any of Nedrian's screens. Luclin geared ranger with epic, rarely hits for more than 30s and misses regularly dual wielding. Hits for around 130 max with a Luclin 2 hander.

If LV played on P99 60% of the players on that menu would be rogues or monks instead of no rogues and 1 monk.

Anyone know how I could get to the old Artful Death or Darkenbane screenshots?

post some prof? All you are posting is a random claim to have seen a screenshot somewhere.

As I said, if the Sullon Zek boards still existed you would see that monks, rogues, and mages, and bards were on the bottom as far as representation. The only melee you really had to fear on live was an SK. On this server a pretty meaningful percentage of the population considers PvP to be logging in and plugging out of KC/Seb endlessly waiting to get lucky and 1 shot someone, while the best PvP toon on the server was a bard(Tune).