Why Classic EQ is still the best online RPG (and how P1999 could make it even better)

[Massive Marc]

dont feed da troll.

[Nirgon]

The devs here clearly know that EverQuest was popular because of recharging items on vendors and invis pulling mobs.

Might log in and try to drain a few raid mobs.

[Vellatri]

I don't want to beat a dead horse, and I don't necessarily agree with Noudess's suggestions, but I think this is a very valid point:

Originally Posted by Noudess [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Classic EQ also had items disappear in tradeskills if you made a mistake - want that back?

I don't think anyone answered it. A search of the forums doesn't produce an answer either. I tried various combinations of "tradeskill, container, combine, mistake, and disappear," but maybe it's just me. Can someone tell me why we get our components back?

I can understand if it's just an oversight; that they haven't bothered to get around to "fixing" it back into the annoying way it used to be. I know they have limited resources and have to prioritize. I also understand that there are UI things that they have no control over. Or maybe they left it this way so that players would not be disadvantaged by OTHER bugs (P99-specific bugs) in tradeskills that they are trying to hash out. (Most likely, IMHO.) However, if they intentionally want to forever keep it as it is now, it does seem like a double standard.

[rekreant]

Its the devs server, and they make it however they want. If you have a better idea find a way to fund a server and do it. I for one wouldnt want to play a true classic experience, cause that experience sucks. Back then we didnt now any better, but now its a whole nother ball game.

[Splorf22]

Elethia is spot on. Remember also that invis pulling wasn't even really known about until about 5-6 months ago.

I think the other problem here is that as Verant gradually fixed these bugs and rebalanced their game they also changed a lot of stuff that made EQ great in the first place.

Speaking personally, I like item recharging . . . its just way, way too cheap. For example, although I think charm is actually somewhat weaker than it was on Live, we still see enchanters going nuts soloing stuff. Why? Part of it is we have had 2 years of practice, but a lot of it is because we all have a great get-out-of-jail-free card called the WC cap. IMO something like WC Cap/1000, Golem Metal Wand/2000, Puppet Strings/10000 and making the casting time 1 second rather than instant would really rebalance some of these ridiculous items.

Invis pulling is ridiculous as I've said before, and it's so unbalancing that I would be willing to just make a nonclassic change here.

So yeah, my personal version of classic would include those changes as well as no fucking dungeon key quests, weaker 1-50 mage pets, stronger 50-60 nukes, more balanced melee skillcaps, no hybrid xp penalties, etc.

[Vellatri]

If the answer to the tradeskilling question is, "they make it however they want," then why is the answer to the MQing question, "because it's classic?" Just say, "that's how the devs want it," and be done with it. I have no problems with them doing whatever they want because P99 is fun and I know I certainly couldn't do better.

[Furniture]

Plain and simple the game would be much much better without twinking, pling, item recharging etc. but even if the devs agreed to make eq better there would be a backlash because unfortunately verant back in the day were too inept to do anything about it so now were stuck with a server that uses these "exploits" as normal every day behavior, item recharging and mq is bullshit, needs to go asap but there's nothing we can do

[Noudess]

Originally Posted by Furniture [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Plain and simple the game would be much much better without twinking, pling, item recharging etc. but even if the devs agreed to make eq better there would be a backlash because unfortunately verant back in the day were too inept to do anything about it so now were stuck with a server that uses these "exploits" as normal every day behavior, item recharging and mq is bullshit, needs to go asap but there's nothing we can do

Finally sense. If the GMs want it , fine. But at least lets admit what it really is.

Everyone in this thread arguing because its classic, also argue for other stuff that is non classic. I bet you all want 2-boxing and they banned that - that was classic.

[Furniture]

I can see how people could just want everything the way it was back in classic but people aren't seeing the bigger picture as to why these things are terrible, or they don't want to lose the convenience of these things that they have been abusing for years now (item recharging more specifically)


We are extremely lucky though that the devs here took an early stance against boxing, because that's classic, but it was recognized as being detrimental to the game and experience, so it has been removed and fixed in a way, a perfect everquest experience would take this reasoning for the other issues we've mentioned , but unfortunately we can't get everything

Btw if you Remember certain quests on this server before mqing was enabled, the reward and overall experience of obtaining the items were so much better, a low level with jboots was awesome and an accomplishment, but now any idiot with enough platinum can get it in 20 minutes

[Furniture]

Also in case your interested, there is a bug report somewhere that states that back in classic there was a cap on exp you can get from mobs, players back in the day were not getting insane exp from a mob 30 levels higher then them, that would actually bring pling to a more acceptable level but it is certainly way out of line right now