Bumamgar

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Ranger1930 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats a joke. a 30 - 45 minute time window to put up or shut is one thing but that crap about swiping and taking stuff because of a 60 second Rollcall rule is horseshit.. If they gonna engage the mob in 60 seconds whether a raid is there before them or not they just need to man up engage it then loot their crap like the buncha dickheads they are and take the bad PR while not trying to make the other raid feel bad cause they in a Big F'n hurry to be the first ones no matter what.

Those do happen to be the rules, bubba. And they are GM enforced.

What ya afraid of?

[Bumamgar]

Originally Posted by Beau [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To me, coming to the RnF and calling someone by name on something you dont agree with, is a pretty good example of calling someone out. That may not have been your intention, but that is how it came across. "Soandso trying to impose additional rules." It would be one thing if he was making stuff up on the spot. But these particular "additional rules" have been standard practice for months.

You took those quotes out of context (a standard rants and flames tactic, I know).

I was RESPONDING to Skope, who had already called Ektar out with his screenshots and posts. I didn't call Ektar out, Skope did. I simply responded to Skope's allegations once the "calling out" and "flaming" had already begun.

Basically, in-game, WI and IB both acted honorably and within the server rules. However, Skope, who had been stalking the WI camp for a few days, decided to come here and stir up some shit, and succeeded.

If I'm to blame for anything, it's for trying to actually explain the situation to Skope and others when it's clear he just wanted to rage against me for no reason and I should have just ignored him and let it go.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Bumamgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one from WI called Ektar out for anything. Someone else flamed WI for failing the role call and I thanked IB for not pushing the issue. I know it's hard for forum trolls to read through their rage-vision, but seriously, at least make some attempt to read before posting, thanks!

(Actually, I think Skope, who is not a member of WI and is in fact, the founding member of the p1999 chapter of the global Bumamgar haters club, is the one who "called out Ektar" and claimed "shady" dealings when we failed the timer and IB chose not to enforce it).

I absolutely thought it was shady when IB didn't hold you to the same rules they'd hold everyone else to, and even shadier that you weren't obliged to follow the same rules as the other guilds have had to follow for months now after the fact with the argument that you didn't know these rules existed. THEN, as if a person could actually top that, you, as the guild leader, claimed that you'll think about whether or not you'll abide by that rule in the future.

You're all kinds of shady. What's worse is that you're leading a guild with some pretty cool people and giving them a really bad name. If you want my advice, it would be wise to be truthful and apologize and say you weren't aware of how these things go instead of "i'll think about whether or not i agree with these rules." That's not exactly the kind of thing you want to see from a guild and a leader who recently joined the raiding scene thinking he can start widening his shoulders after a poopsock dragon kill.

Had Ektar held you to the standard that everyone else is held to, you'd have had some serious explaining to do to your own guildies because of your laziness and inability to read the raiding rules. No matter how angry you think i am, your guildies should really be infuriated.

[Skope]

Furthermore, i wasn't stirring the pot, whatever went down happened without me. I posted the screenshot as further proof that the current rules we have aren't even followed and guilds aren't held responsible for forcing other guilds to follow them. I think i've more than proved that point by now.

[Rogean]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think I'm the only cross between development/GM'ing

*clears throat*. hmmm?

Also, to clarify to everyone so theres no misunderstandings since I saw it starting to get mentioned; the only people with access to the full live server database are nilbog and myself. This is the database that holds everything, both content, player, and server status. The database that the developers have access to and work on is the test server database, which only receives snapshots of the live database maybe once every few months. This database runs independantly of spawn timers and any other information from the live server's operations.

There's also different levels of status, or lack of, on the live server. Guides, GM's, Admins, etc. A developer typically doesn't have GM Access to the live server, especially if they have a play character (Bumamgar). They *may*, if they chose to, have Guide access, as any person who fills the position of guide is someone who plays on the server; however there are no developers that currently do this.

[Bumamgar]

Edit: This entire post is directed to Skope, just so it's clear.

I'm sorry that you think you have any influence what-so-ever on the dealings of two guilds that you are not a part of, or that you are delusional enough to think that you are entitled to an explanation for their behavior.

There is absolutely NOTHING "shady" about IB deciding not to push the issue of the 60 second roll call. Nothing at all. It was an honorable act that you are shitting all over for some unfathomable reason.

You can call me shady and say you don't believe I was unaware of the 60 second role call rule, fine. You have no way of knowing what I am or am not aware of, and are entitled to your opinion regarding me.

As for my willingness to agree to player made rules, well, just like any other agreement between players, I have as much say in them as anyone else, and I can chose to abide by them or not. You'll note, I have never once said that I will not abide by them. What I have said is perfectly reasonable... I will review the rules and see if I am willing to play by them. You can flame me for that, but frankly, it's no more or less than any other guild leader on the server has done. Your own guild leadership, in fact, has done so, and decided not to play by them by refusing to camp mobs and call timers on IB and DA.

When I make a decision regarding the player made rules, I probably won't bother to post that decision here, but I might, you never know [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Beau]

Maybe I miss interpreted things from the start and I'm the one who is wrong. If so, then I apologize. Maybe I just took it personal and read it wrong. Ektar puts a lot of work into this game and into IB, and is 100% legit and by the book about how he does it. Don't like the idea of good people being put down, and honestly that is how it read for me, even in context. Even still, I'll drop it.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Bumamgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Edit: This entire post is directed to Skope, just so it's clear.

I'm sorry that you think you have any influence what-so-ever on the dealings of two guilds that you are not a part of, or that you are delusional enough to think that you are entitled to an explanation for their behavior.

There is absolutely NOTHING "shady" about IB deciding not to push the issue of the 60 second roll call. Nothing at all. It was an honorable act that you are shitting all over for some unfathomable reason.

You can call me shady and say you don't believe I was unaware of the 60 second role call rule, fine. You have no way of knowing what I am or am not aware of, and are entitled to your opinion regarding me.

As for my willingness to agree to player made rules, well, just like any other agreement between players, I have as much say in them as anyone else, and I can chose to abide by them or not. You'll note, I have never once said that I will not abide by them. What I have said is perfectly reasonable... I will review the rules and see if I am willing to play by them. You can flame me for that, but frankly, it's no more or less than any other guild leader on the server has done. Your own guild leadership, in fact, has done so, and decided not to play by them by refusing to camp mobs and call timers on IB and DA.

When I make a decision regarding the player made rules, I probably won't bother to post that decision here, but I might, you never know [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At this point I don't think I'd care. You've more than proven your ability as a guildleader by the complete lack of the raid rules, that's more than clear.

And you may want to read my post again, but you may have missed the point because i lacked some clarity and then ignored the post you're responding to now so here it is again...

My intention of posting the screenshot was to prove that guilds don't even bother to enforce the rules they themselves abide by on other guilds. The rules came into play and were simply tossed out, for whatever reason i don't know and frankly don't care. But what this does is prove my point that the current rules AREN'T EVEN ABIDED BY. How much more of a reason can we possibly get to change the damn things?

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Bumamgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I make a decision regarding the player made rules, I probably won't bother to post that decision here, but I might, you never know [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol. Now that's arrogance.

You decide not to follow the rules, and I don't think you're beyond suspension. The "player-made rules" were signed off on by the GM's.

You want to buck the system, do it by getting the rules changed...because if they don't apply to you, they don't apply to anyone else, either.

[Comfortably]

Skope, i'm embarrassed for you, quit getting so worked up over emulated pixels.. no one else seems to have a problem here but you, grow up bud [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bum is a great leader, and has proven that throughout all of WI's success's here and on the combine.