Level 60 v Level 60 - no gear

[Duik]

You'd need to just call it BotcB+M Best of the Caster Best +Monk.
Sounds like war or rog have minimal chance, unless vs a blind deaf afk player of any other class. Even a Pal punching an ogre war to death would be painful.
Rog sans BS is just pointless... Hehe
Iks/Trl war vs Iks/Trl war punching? Regen vs RNG. Kicks would help.
In short, I hate rogues and warriors. The rest punch it out...

Forgot rng pal proc spells, punching still procs? Kicks proc?
Anyway, still majorly unbalanced. Once a snare lands on a melee only they fucked.
Rog one and only Best attack is gone.
Ranger no arrows.
Mage no pet.
Pal and non lrg SK no bash stun.
Is any arena large enough to get out of range?
War discs would just delay the inevitable, fearless lasts nuffin o'clock.
War would wanna start in melee range, a wiz would prefer range.
I dunno, between a few of the combos it would be interesting though.

[Castle2.0]

Sorry guys, bards win. Chain step + tap is not a winning necro strat versus a bard. Bard just runs away and heals mana free. Necros aren't able to regen mana very fast without lifetap healing, but in the situation described a bard is their only target.

We can charm and fear players and pets, right guys? =D

[sajbert]

In an arena setting, bard can't run.

In an open world setting bard can be ZL-camped and killed. We're also assuming that the bard can successfully range and time spells which is a lot more risky than simply say, spamming stun and then dead bard and if bard DAs slap yonder key a few times or zone.

Several classes could also low level dot themselves to become immune to mez.

The more I read, the more it seems to me like wiz is the winner.

[Infectious]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In an arena setting, bard can't run.

In an open world setting bard can be ZL-camped and killed. We're also assuming that the bard can successfully range and time spells which is a lot more risky than simply say, spamming stun and then dead bard and if bard DAs slap yonder key a few times or zone.

Several classes could also low level dot themselves to become immune to mez.

The more I read, the more it seems to me like wiz is the winner.

I will fight any wizard/ bard naked on red. Let's put some bets up.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Infectious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will fight any wizard/ bard naked on red. Let's put some bets up.

catch these hands

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In an arena setting, bard can't run.

A few posts down from the OP...

Originally Posted by Seducio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lets go with what you said with this in the Arena so no mobs available.

So not any arena, but the arena. More than enough real estate there.

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're also assuming that the bard can successfully range and time spells which is a lot more risky than simply say, spamming stun and then dead bard and if bard DAs slap yonder key a few times or zone.

Resist songs are still decent without mods though, with MR psalm and MR rhythms stacking to compensate for no instrument. It's just a question of what spells might get through those layers of resists and to what extent.

[bcbrown]

Would anything change if the match was "blind", so you can't customize what spells you have memmed specifically for the class you're fighting against? Since melee is at a huge disadvantage naked, what would change if casters had to start out with no spells memmed?

Both characters starting out with a rez, rez sickness included, might be a pretty funny slap-fight.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Seducio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I find this compelling in terms of fairness. Who would benefit most from adding reagants back in? Probably Mages and Necros.

It's possible Melee's could make similar argument regarding having their hands tied behind their backs with no weapons. Outside of Monks and Bards the other Melees only have their fists, spells, and harmtouch for SK. On the other hand adding weapons can really change certain power dynamics given some weapons and procs power.

This is why I initially decided to make the scenario no gear and no regeants. I can see it binds a few classes in this contest back a little unfairly. Currently more inclined to let in regeants than weapons. If reagents were allowed how much better do the Mages and Necros do. It seems liked these pets could be neutralized with root etc.

Appreciate the discussion so far

Fair argument. If it were to ever happen you could also allow melee weapons that allow them to do same average DPS as a non-rogue mage pet maybe? Idk just spit balling.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would anything change if the match was "blind", so you can't customize what spells you have memmed specifically for the class you're fighting against? Since melee is at a huge disadvantage naked, what would change if casters had to start out with no spells memmed?

Both characters starting out with a rez, rez sickness included, might be a pretty funny slap-fight.

Or totally randomize what spells a caster has memmed at the start could be interesting too. So they maybe get lucky and have some useful stuff, but they need to find a way to get away and replace others.

[Jimjam]

Starting naked, no spells memmed seems fair - like a character just died and spawned in some gladiatorial hell.