BDA to Phinigel

[Duie]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The funniest thing is periodically I get tells from people in Awakened asking me to come back. Literally none of them think raiding is actually fun on this server. They either do it for the pixels or because they want to help their friends or because they want to win. Of course, most of these people are not the big trackers.

I don't think the staff realizes that there are probably less than 20 people out of the thousands that play on this server who actually enjoy the raid scene here. I just don't understand why they have chosen to enable those 20 people for the past 6 years.

6? um no , it been going on for much longer then that.

A wise man once said on these very same boards

" No Truce With the Shadow"

and if that wise ass sumbich reads this , were on Phinny and Eq is once again Fun. come join us

[Mistle]

Originally Posted by Duie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

" No Truce With the Shadow"

The scene in the book where this quote comes from is pretty badass, comes like straight from the climax of Raiders of the Lost Ark in graphic imagery. After Rand says this, declining the truce with Sammael, the emissary who came with the message basically melts.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll stick to my no boxing, no instancing, no RMT pixels, no subscription EQ thanks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's take this point by point.

No boxing: Arguably your only legitimate point in this post. However Phinny only allows 1 "box" per PC. I've yet to see anybody boxing more than 3. More than 2 is pretty rare and I don't even see 2 boxes that often. This isn't Ragefire where everyone's 24 boxing mages to do their own raids or whatever. The pros FAAAAAR outweigh this potential con imo

No instancing: Instancing would solve 99.9% of P99's problems. I used to be an instance hater til I experienced P99. Even the most hardcore neckbeards on this server are starting to admit that the environment that open world contested raiding fosters is shitty. Lack of instances is what makes this game feel like a job/chore more than a game to have fun with.

No RMT pixels: If you think RMT isn't happening on every EQ server you're high on some real good shit. Can you send me some? Also the vast majority of the best items in the game are no drop and thus can't be RMT'd. Again not a huge issue and blown way out of proportion.

No subscription: I paid $14.99 one time and I currently have more than enough to buy next months subscription using ingame currency that I farmed myself and still have 13 days left on my original month sub. That's accounting starting at lvl 1 and leveling. Once you have a Lvl 60 you can farm enough for a months sub in a couple of hours. This is an absolute non-issue for anyone that isn't homeless and using mcdonalds wifi to forumquest.


But sure. Enjoy your "classic" "thriving" Red99. Let me know how that works out for ya.

[Spyder73]

Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The scene in the book where this quote comes from is pretty badass, comes like straight from the climax of Raiders of the Lost Ark in graphic imagery. After Rand says this, declining the truce with Sammael, the emissary who came with the message basically melts.

The Wheel of Time and the wheel of a man's life turn alike without pity or mercy.

[Spyder73]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's take this point by point.

No boxing: Arguably your only legitimate point in this post. However Phinny only allows 1 "box" per PC. I've yet to see anybody boxing more than 3. More than 2 is pretty rare and I don't even see 2 boxes that often. This isn't Ragefire where everyone's 24 boxing mages to do their own raids or whatever. The pros FAAAAAR outweigh this potential con imo

No instancing: Instancing would solve 99.9% of P99's problems. I used to be an instance hater til I experienced P99. Even the most hardcore neckbeards on this server are starting to admit that the environment that open world contested raiding fosters is shitty. Lack of instances is what makes this game feel like a job/chore more than a game to have fun with.

No RMT pixels: If you think RMT isn't happening on every EQ server you're high on some real good shit. Can you send me some? Also the vast majority of the best items in the game are no drop and thus can't be RMT'd. Again not a huge issue and blown way out of proportion.

No subscription: I paid $14.99 one time and I currently have more than enough to buy next months subscription using ingame currency that I farmed myself and still have 13 days left on my original month sub. That's accounting starting at lvl 1 and leveling. Once you have a Lvl 60 you can farm enough for a months sub in a couple of hours. This is an absolute non-issue for anyone that isn't homeless and using mcdonalds wifi to forumquest.


But sure. Enjoy your "classic" "thriving" Red99. Let me know how that works out for ya.

I'm glad you are enjoying Phinny – However you will quickly realize that instanced raiding is the single worst idea in the history of EQ – with so much raid loot available, it literally trivializes every single thing outside of a raid instance. It basically turns into a WoW scenario where you are raiding monsters in order to raid other monsters, except that EQ raiding is boring as sh!t. You have literally 0 incentive to do anything on Phinny once your guild starts clearing all the dragons. Its fun to do for about 3 weeks then you have no reason to log in anymore until the next expansion comes out.

I thought instancing was the best thing ever, then I realized that it’s a loot piñata that makes getting it really not that great. Add in that all your gear becomes dated every 3 months and you have a recipe for an empty server. I went to Phinny for a while with Echoes of Eternity and its just really not that great and only going to get worse.

But I suppose its what your goals are – there is still plenty for me to do on P99 that I am happy doing. I f#cking hate raiding – I like twinking alts – and I finally have the means to do some serious twinking IE just bought Zlandi heart for my necro. My nostalgia has nothing to do with raiding nToV, it has to do with raiding Crushbone, Mistmoore, Highkeep Hold, Solb Royals, KC, Sebelis, ect, ect, ect

[Archalen]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd rather set up my own PEQ server and play 1 player mode on that.

Every time I wanted to play EQ on one-player mode, I logged onto red.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... This is an absolute non-issue for anyone that isn't homeless and using mcdonalds wifi to forumquest.

You know they're rustled when they're resorting to attacks on what they think is happening in your life [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hit level 60, 65, whatever... and tell me it was a challenge, that you worked hard for it, that your instanced pixels mean something.

One of the best things about leveling my cleric (2013) was, ironically...sitting in Naggy's lair for 16 hours waiting to hand the pearl in. If I could do it in 10 minutes with some pals, I don't think I'd appreciate that epic as much.

Epic quests aren't meant to be grinded/ground out with instances to help them along.

Late era SOE/Daybreak took people's nostalgia, screwed it up into a ball... then threw it back at them and gestured for your wallet. If Daybreak took P99's code and all the hard work that had gone into it, and launched a classic EQ server like we have here with no cash shop sign on it - maybe I'd take a look.

Til then, enjoy your watered down EQ, glad to hear you're having a great time. What's the BDA RMT bill so far? Spend wisely [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Mistle]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm glad you are enjoying Phinny – However you will quickly realize that instanced raiding is the single worst idea in the history of EQ

I assume you mean excluding the current situation on blue...

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

– with so much raid loot available, it literally trivializes every single thing outside of a raid instance. It basically turns into a WoW scenario where you are raiding monsters in order to raid other monsters, except that EQ raiding is boring as sh!t. You have literally 0 incentive to do anything on Phinny once your guild starts clearing all the dragons. Its fun to do for about 3 weeks then you have no reason to log in anymore until the next expansion comes out.

I thought instancing was the best thing ever, then I realized that it’s a loot piñata that makes getting it really not that great. Add in that all your gear becomes dated every 3 months and you have a recipe for an empty server. I went to Phinny for a while with Echoes of Eternity and its just really not that great and only going to get worse.

Everything you said could be, and probably is, true. But two things I think mitigate all of it.

1. At least you can go out and use that fancy new gear in groups getting AA, and

2. No matter how bad it is, its still better than the current situation on Blue.

People really just want to play with friends. Anyone playing EQ for nostalgia should basically quit once they hit 60 (play alts, or quit outright). Anyone playing EQ for the quality of the game should have their heads examined (and its worse on p99 than on live, and I never thought the day would come when that would be true).

The potential for entertainment on Phinny ranges from decent to pretty bad. However under no circumstances was playing a game ever supposed to resemble the pukefest door socking that p99 raiding now encompasses. Sirken can keep his utopia, BDA is out.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm glad you are enjoying Phinny – However you will quickly realize that instanced raiding is the single worst idea in the history of EQ – with so much raid loot available, it literally trivializes every single thing outside of a raid instance. It basically turns into a WoW scenario where you are raiding monsters in order to raid other monsters, except that EQ raiding is boring as sh!t. You have literally 0 incentive to do anything on Phinny once your guild starts clearing all the dragons. Its fun to do for about 3 weeks then you have no reason to log in anymore until the next expansion comes out.

I thought instancing was the best thing ever, then I realized that it’s a loot piñata that makes getting it really not that great. Add in that all your gear becomes dated every 3 months and you have a recipe for an empty server. I went to Phinny for a while with Echoes of Eternity and its just really not that great and only going to get worse.

But I suppose its what your goals are – there is still plenty for me to do on P99 that I am happy doing. I f#cking hate raiding – I like twinking alts – and I finally have the means to do some serious twinking IE just bought Zlandi heart for my necro. My nostalgia has nothing to do with raiding nToV, it has to do with raiding Crushbone, Mistmoore, Highkeep Hold, Solb Royals, KC, Sebelis, ect, ect, ect

I get your argument. But are you trying to say 16 hr windows staring at walls in NToV is the better alternative? I just don't buy it man. There's no fun AT ALL in the poopsocking competitions to me. Sure alts and shit is fun for a while but that gets boring too. The fun is in killing the dragons with my pals and getting some sweet loot. If it turns out that I get all the loot I want and get bored then so be it. Artificially inflating the pixel acquisition time with a mountain of poop isn't the right answer.

Even if I stayed on P99 eventually I'd hit the same wall you're talking about where I have all the gear I want and then you have literally 0 incentive to log in and do stuff. Just raiding mobs to raid more mobs. EXCEPT P99 is FOREVER stuck on 1 expansion. At least on Phinny I have future xpacs to look forward to when I get all the loot in the current one and if/when it reaches expansions that suck and I stop having fun I'll go elsewhere.

[Mistle]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One of the best things about leveling my cleric (2013) was, ironically...sitting in Naggy's lair for 16 hours waiting to hand the pearl in.