Lol, this isn't going to change anything.

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Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It says right in the post. It's the leadership from several of the top raiding guilds. Is that not sufficient?

It's not the first time they've done this either. The interesting time I like to recall is the time when IB and TMO were the top guilds and both got suspended. The guilds all came together and VD was like, yea we are the nice guys... and then shit all over every other guild for pixels.

Stop kidding yourself, people come together on this server when the threat of a rogean banhammer is fresh on the minds.

[Raavak]

He right ya know.

And as for everyone who thinks that TMO dominated the last year, or IB dominated the year before, out of spite or because the devil told them too or whatever, you need to step back and look at the big picture. The mobs spawns, the scarcity, the rule set, all dictated what the makeup of a successful guild would be. It wasn't an accident. That's also why that unless there are some actual official rules put into place it will eventually return to the same exact spot its been in several times through the server's existence. I can't predict what guild will do that next, but I can safely predict A guild will.

But to reiterate what Alarti wrote, the coming of Velious would change many things because the expansion adds so much raid content that anyone who wants more will be able to have it without joining TMO or FE/IB.

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I'm not saying it can't happen either, I'm just pointing out that when you guys bring up an agreement that hasn't even lasted a week as proof that shit can work you're being extremely short sighted.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It says right in the post. It's the leadership from several of the top raiding guilds. Is that not sufficient?

Nope. Because you are doing exactly what you complain TMO is doing. You are excluding people from the mix. If you are making a raid agreement it is probably a good idea to include the long-time single most dominant raid guild on the server dontchathink, I mean if not you really don't have a raid agreement at all. Trying to exclude TMO and others inputs just means that your "agreement" won't be respected.

I understand the whole concept was a 2 week solution to increase "PR" and apps, but that agreement has no longevity. Any rational mind can see that.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do you even bother to respond to kagotob... the kid never makes sense and I don't see that he has any real interest in this server other than Phuck TMO.

The opposition to your argument has recently begun to quote him for support. I guess if you're going to have to argue the opposite "socialist" argument, you need to speak to the points they use for support.

Trust me, I'm not saying TMO needs to be the only guild getting every single mob. After this recent blow out, they should share. IMO the top guild is in a position of earned privilage and needs to be responsible in many ways for assuring a fair/fun to play in community. I also think when things are worked out that time is given to take the mobs during "normal play hours". This 4am shit is unhealthy for all of you, and do realize that repop days have more players than just the top guild on trying to take things.

IT WOULD HELP if when TMO or FE/IB decides to hand down one of their mobs (Vox/Naggy/Draco/CT/Inny) that the community doesn't take it as some kind of condescending charity and respond with disrespect and outrage.

Goals for TMO: Share old content
Goals for community: Understand you don't put in as much time (read: don't respond to 4am bat phones). Understand there is limited content. Understand that Velious (which brings mobs most guilds can't kill) would help a lot more for 5 guilds fighting over the same content.

I think TMO would be happy to spend its time banging its head on NTOV progression/farming armor (presuming those mobs are not steam rolled) while the rest killed Vindi, Statue and every single old world mob.

I don't know if the people on the other side of the argument are capable of understanding this is a problem of limited content and the top guild trying to secure best in slot gear it still needs. When the best in slot gear moves to harder targets, the easier ones open up.

Saying "fuck the top guild this sucks" is way easier I guess than contributing to the bugs section/Velious content and actually accepting this concept.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by talian21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO is about as "fair and balanced" as Fox News, lol. Spin on, dipshit.






-Silisk, ikky necro

With reasoned input like that you are just begging the community to respect you


/sarcasm off

[BurgyK]

We could argue, but it's just easier to call you a faggot

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course he's extremely biased towards his own interests. However, outside of trolling he routinely makes valid, objective statements if you don't read everything with a "god I hate that guy" lense. You should go check out Ele's post from EQ heads regarding "everyone getting their epic". The nail gets hit squarely on the head, despite the real SPINNING I see on these forums from the "socialists" who don't put in as much time and effort.

His last post is basically 'I want to be able to prevent other people from getting pixels'. That is a mindbogglingly toxic attitude.

Originally Posted by Nirgon

A system that is "fair to everyone" should reward organization and dedication, not people complaining with their hands out.

How about a system that rewards, you know, actual skills, instead of 'dedication' which is a retarded pseudosynonym for 'I sat at my computer for 40 hours tracking'.

Nirgon aren't you an apostle of true classic? How can you be for variance?

[myriverse]

Shit ain't that scarce. Don't talk about scarcity when you're gearing your 5th alt with VP loot. "Success" is a mutable thing. If you define being a bastard is success, then that's what it becomes. Don't BS that it has to be that way.

There were live servers with 2-3 times the pop without bastardy.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The opposition to your argument has recently begun to quote him for support. I guess if you're going to have to argue the opposite "socialist" argument, you need to speak to the points they use for support.

Trust me, I'm not saying TMO needs to be the only guild getting every single mob. After this recent blow out, they should share. IMO the top guild is in a position of earned privilage and needs to be responsible in many ways for assuring a fair/fun to play in community. I also think when things are worked out that time is given to take the mobs during "normal play hours". This 4am shit is unhealthy for all of you, and do realize that repop days have more players than just the top guild on trying to take things.

IT WOULD HELP if when TMO or FE/IB decides to hand down one of their mobs (Vox/Naggy/Draco/CT/Inny) that the community doesn't take it as some kind of condescending charity and respond with disrespect and outrage.

Goals for TMO: Share old content
Goals for community: Understand you don't put in as much time (read: don't respond to 4am bat phones). Understand there is limited content. Understand that Velious (which brings mobs most guilds can't kill) would help a lot more for 5 guilds fighting over the same content.

I think TMO would be happy to spend its time banging its head on NTOV progression/farming armor (presuming those mobs are not steam rolled) while the rest killed Vindi, Statue and every single old world mob.

I don't know if the people on the other side of the argument are capable of understanding this is a problem of limited content and the top guild trying to secure best in slot gear it still needs. When the best in slot gear moves to harder targets, the easier ones open up.

Saying "fuck the top guild this sucks" is way easier I guess than contributing to the bugs section/Velious content and actually accepting this concept.

TMO has tried to give away or open up content for years... See Endangered dragon lists and further attempts beyond that. The problem is without our direct competition FE/IB or VD back in the day also not killing those mobs, all opening up those mobs did is directly assist our competition, and the little guys still didn't get shit.

TMO doesn't want to give mobs to FE/IB, TMO (imo) would like to give raid mobs to other guilds like Div/BDA/AG/Doljon/Knights/Taken/etc/etc/etc.

I don't speak as an officer or anything but I am fairly sure TMO would be all for allowing some mobs to be on a "not kill" list if FE/IB would agree to this.