Blood Guard trains themselves, blames innocent bystander! :D

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by Teako [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Q10: What about a raid mob being indefinitely kited, stalled, or occupied?
A: It is against server policy to indefinitely kite, stall, or otherwise keep occupied a raid mob without intention of killing it. You either bring it to your raid, die, or zone out. Obvious stalling of a raid mob, especially in situations to prevent engagement by another guild/party, is against the rules. Ignorance is not an excuse to break this rule. If you are pulling raid targets, we expect you to know what you’re doing.

Does hail locking prevent engagement by another guild/party? Maybe that's why they think it wouldn't be against the rules. Hail locking a mob makes it just as easy for your guild to pull it as ours.

Third, repeatedly re-engaged King Tormax with the same players in attempt to continually train all of Aftermath so we couldn't compete

Seriously, do you really think our master plan was to train you intentionally and concede or earn another 20 day? Even if Imrahn brought that train to your raid without it chaining to your pullers at all, it would have been purely accidental. We gain literally nothing from training another guild.

[Phatez]

Originally Posted by Teako [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hail locking is considered disruption, and exploiting the mob's ability to re-set naturally. It is a raid interference. It has -always- been against the p99 ruleset to hail lock raid mobs with factioned characters to prevent them from resetting.


https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=189856

You were moved half way up the ramp. We had to position as to not train your raid force while pulling. Shaolen triggered zero FTE's on King Tormax at all - he was not part of our pull team for this mob. However, Imrahn triggered LOTS of FTE's prior to his final FTE that triggered AM's slaughtering.

Not to mention Zotspox has 17 engages, Mistersmilez has 11 engages, and by my log/fraps I have about 8 different Azure Guard members spam hailing King Tormax as he was trying to reset naturally.

Sorry bucko, AG was in the wrong here. First, trained us. Second, stalled King Tormax with kiting for well, WELL over 18 seconds (roughly 2mins) Third, repeatedly re-engaged King Tormax with the same players in attempt to continually train all of Aftermath so we couldn't compete, and last but not least - Fourth hail locking KT so he couldn't reset.

AG was 100% in the right to concede this mob and get out of Kael immediately. This is four 20 day suspendable occurrences in once single raid. Ignorance of the raid rules is not excuse of the raid rules.

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[Phatez]

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[Phatez]

Originally Posted by Teako [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hail locking is considered disruption, and exploiting the mob's ability to re-set naturally. It is a raid interference. It has -always- been against the p99 ruleset to hail lock raid mobs with factioned characters to prevent them from resetting.


https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=189856

You were moved half way up the ramp. We had to position as to not train your raid force while pulling. Shaolen triggered zero FTE's on King Tormax at all - he was not part of our pull team for this mob. However, Imrahn triggered LOTS of FTE's prior to his final FTE that triggered AM's slaughtering.

Not to mention Zotspox has 17 engages, Mistersmilez has 11 engages, and by my log/fraps I have about 8 different Azure Guard members spam hailing King Tormax as he was trying to reset naturally.

Sorry bucko, AG was in the wrong here. First, trained us. Second, stalled King Tormax with kiting for well, WELL over 18 seconds (roughly 2mins) Third, repeatedly re-engaged King Tormax with the same players in attempt to continually train all of Aftermath so we couldn't compete, and last but not least - Fourth hail locking KT so he couldn't reset.

AG was 100% in the right to concede this mob and get out of Kael immediately. This is four 20 day suspendable occurrences in once single raid. Ignorance of the raid rules is not excuse of the raid rules.

[Puluin]

Originally Posted by Teako [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hail locking is considered disruption, and exploiting the mob's ability to re-set naturally. It is a raid interference. It has -always- been against the p99 ruleset to hail lock raid mobs with factioned characters to prevent them from resetting.


https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=189856

You were moved half way up the ramp. We had to position as to not train your raid force while pulling. Shaolen triggered zero FTE's on King Tormax at all - he was not part of our pull team for this mob. However, Imrahn triggered LOTS of FTE's prior to his final FTE that triggered AM's slaughtering.

Not to mention Zotspox has 17 engages, Mistersmilez has 11 engages, and by my log/fraps I have about 8 different Azure Guard members spam hailing King Tormax as he was trying to reset naturally.

Sorry bucko, AG was in the wrong here. First, trained us. Second, stalled King Tormax with kiting for well, WELL over 18 seconds (roughly 2mins) Third, repeatedly re-engaged King Tormax with the same players in attempt to continually train all of Aftermath so we couldn't compete, and last but not least - Fourth hail locking KT so he couldn't reset.

AG was 100% in the right to concede this mob and get out of Kael immediately. This is four 20 day suspendable occurrences in once single raid. Ignorance of the raid rules is not excuse of the raid rules.

Hate to burst your bubble, but no where on that rule page does it say ANYTHING about hail locking.... in fact.... if you ctrl F "hail" there isn't a single hail word in the entire post. as far as "lock" or "locking" goes, they refer to lockout timers or locking up a mob AFTER you have agro.

[Spyder73]

Originally Posted by Puluin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hate to burst your bubble, but no where on that rule page does it say ANYTHING about hail locking.... in fact.... if you ctrl F "hail" there isn't a single hail word in the entire post. as far as "lock" or "locking" goes, they refer to lockout timers or locking up a mob AFTER you have agro.

This might have flown in TMO days but the staff has repeatedly stated 'letter of the law vs intent of the law' and in this case you would be convicted in P99 court of raid stalling since you were doing it for no other reason but to grief another guild.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your monks were sitting in camp with your clerics? What were you doing sitting at the ice bridge in front of our raid with your monks sitting in camp not pulling?

As an aside, because I honestly don't doubt you on the hail lock thing but I have never seen the ruling that says you can't hail lock a mob, can you link me to where that rule is listed?

you cannot stall or interfere with other guilds pulls :c

[Maliant]

And why did people from your raid peek around and run into arch as soon as AG monk got engage message but not for the several minutes before when AM monks were splitting out KT and had FTE messages?

[Phatez]

Originally Posted by Maliant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And why did people from your raid peek around and run into arch as soon as AG monk got engage message but not for the several minutes before when AM monks were splitting out KT and had FTE messages?

AM monks far superior to AG monks. They kept control of KT so that he did not train the two raid forces. When AG monk attempts to split he trains everyone. Send AG monks to split camp. It’s next to splitpaw. You can practice using beads to pull in other zones like befallen and solb if you do not feel confident enough to use them at raids without training guilds.

[Dolalin]

I have to say, /pickzone solved this retardedness pretty well.