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[Spyder73]

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[Lune]

Originally Posted by gundumbwing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay, so who am I winning against?

I'm not in any competition with the other 3000 people playing.

Am I winning against mobs? Nope, my 40 slot bag deals zero damage.

Well in reality you're just paying to cheat yourself out of progression because you can't delay gratification.

But you're using a overly narrow definition of 'win'. If you want to know what kind of damage the krono economy causes, consider that being able to buy into the economy with real money pits you against legit players, and creates purchasing power that wouldn't otherwise be there, affecting demand and therefore prices.

Consider the price of torpor here on P99. Every shaman wants it. Few shamans can afford it. Yet over the period of 2013-2015 the price doubled as eligible shamans increased.

Also that 40 slot bag severely impacts newb cash flow. I know for a fact my ranger can't stuff my backpacks with fine steel weapons until I can't move, and I can't go vendor every 30 mins if I want to keep my spot in a good group at the bottom of Guk.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How many of you guys would go play a friendly, casual round of golf with 3 of your pals, and then when one guy insists on playing off the women's tee and talking about how he's shooting a few strokes better than everyone else... how many of you would not make fun of that stupid fucker mercilessly for the rest of his life?

That's what Agnarr is imo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Golf is PvP.

Project 1999 is also pay to win, you were a part of it. Every MMO is pay to win to some extent unless all items are no drop.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by gundumbwing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm using the definition of win, as opposed to changing the meaning of a word or phrase to suit my agend. And if the injection of krono makes a fungi tunic worth 5k instead of the 25k it has been for years on p99, I'm fine with that deal. P99s economy is full of people who have neckbearded for years, amassed a substantial sum of plat and proceed to turn it into the shitshow it is currently.

So because I spent money to shorten the amount of trips I had to vendor, it means I'm paying to win? in that context anything you do in EQ to shorten the time it takes to accomplish an objective is paying to win, regardless of the currency. Instead of paying to win using a druid when traveling around, take the boat. Instead of paying to win with that fungi tunic, level up with a patchwork chest.

Yea, sounds pretty ridiculous.

No, because any other currency you used, you got by playing the game not by just paying more money. Honestly what a stupid argument...

[Lune]

Originally Posted by gundumbwing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm using the definition of win, as opposed to changing the meaning of a word or phrase to suit my agend. And if the injection of krono makes a fungi tunic worth 5k instead of the 25k it has been for years on p99, I'm fine with that deal. P99s economy is full of people who have neckbearded for years, amassed a substantial sum of plat and proceed to turn it into the shitshow it is currently.

So because I spent money to shorten the amount of trips I had to vendor, it means I'm paying to win? in that context anything you do in EQ to shorten the time it takes to accomplish an objective is paying to win, regardless of the currency. Instead of paying to win using a druid when traveling around, take the boat. Instead of paying to win with that fungi tunic, level up with a patchwork chest.

Yea, sounds pretty ridiculous.

holocaust levels of denial

[nhdjoseywales]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, because any other currency you used, you got by playing the game not by just paying more money. Honestly what a stupid argument...

I'm pretty sure the people making the pay to win argument over a bag are the stupid ones. In any event, don't play on real servers, you aren't welcome and we are tired of you idiots clogging the real forums whining about people boxing. The world is a sadder place because you exist.

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That shit was the straw that broke the camel's back for me

Ive been constnatly asking about revamped zones and stuff cus I knew that no matter what, anyone who was a fan of p99 would not be able to handle that garbage collection they call a game now haha

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Golf is PvP.

Project 1999 is also pay to win, you were a part of it. Every MMO is pay to win to some extent unless all items are no drop.

If a "friendly" and "casual" game of golf with "pals" is PVP, then everything is, including EQ. If it isn't, then you have no point.

P1999 is NOT pay to win because you get yourself fucking banned if you buy via RMT.

And saying that everything is p2w because if you don't at least spend some money/time/effort on things, then you won't have a computer to play on or time to type in your password on the login screen or whatever. But that's pretty asinine.


If paying real money for a quadra-tink bag, when actual tink bags are out of reach for plat ingame for all except the .1%... if buying kronos with real money and using them as currency instead of farming plat or farming items directly... if that shit isn't pay two win... then what the hell do you guys think pay to win is? Literally paying money to be awarded a 1st place ribbon via mail and the server being closed down because one person bought victory?

[originalman]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a "friendly" and "casual" game of golf with "pals" is PVP, then everything is, including EQ. If it isn't, then you have no point.

P1999 is NOT pay to win because you get yourself fucking banned if you buy via RMT.

And saying that everything is p2w because if you don't at least spend some money/time/effort on things, then you won't have a computer to play on or time to type in your password on the login screen or whatever. But that's pretty asinine.


If paying real money for a quadra-tink bag, when actual tink bags are out of reach for plat ingame for all except the .1%... if buying kronos with real money and using them as currency instead of farming plat or farming items directly... if that shit isn't pay two win... then what the hell do you guys think pay to win is? Literally paying money to be awarded a 1st place ribbon via mail and the server being closed down because one person bought victory?

i remember seeing some thread of yours about "coming clean" about something (didn't read, obviously) that was like 10000 words linked recently. just letting u know u have no cred here and should really roll a new forum account to compartmentalize ur past embarrassments. until u put it behind u ur still that person.

free advice u don't have to take.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good post. Sadly the shelf life on these TLPs doesn't really make the grind worthwhile anyway...bought bags or not, if Daybreak's next creation is "Agnarr with a twist" you know over half the pop is going onto the next one.... onto the next one...

What does shelf life matter? EQ is about the journey.

I won't be able to play even 5 weeks from now because im starting grad school, doesn't stop me enjoying experiencing """classic""" progression on my ranger.