Question about hill giant population

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Dolalin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Confirmed, spawn log had 8 giant skellies up.

Are you sure you know all the nuances that regarding data? you can clearly see some of the pets are being counted twice for some reason.

[DMN]

People are saying on P99 that there are hill giant spawn points that only spawn hill giants. I concur with the other testimony offered in earlier in this thread, that none of the HGs had guaranteed spawn spot. They shared their spawn chances with a bunch other stuff and never had their own "HG only" spawn points. If you killed only the HGs, after half an hour to an hour, you'd have no HGs left in the zone at all.

[Doktoor]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People are saying on P99 that there are hill giant spawn points that only spawn hill giants. I concur with the other testimony offered in earlier in this thread, that none of the HGs had guaranteed spawn spot. They shared their spawn chances with a bunch other stuff and never had their own "HG only" spawn points. If you killed only the HGs, after half an hour to an hour, you'd have no HGs left in the zone at all.

On the server i played on during live, as a bard that leveled there from the late 30s till the late 40s exclusively, and seeing as it was a PvP server, I generally had the zone to myself during the hours after primetime as I was in a Western timezone and since Selos broke root/snare in those days, everyone would leave the zone when I showed up because dispells + HG pet + snare on a caster was a quick kill and no one solo caster was going to fight to low health while exping with that risk around.

So anyways, I spent months in RM killing HGs on live and had the HGs to myself for many hours at a time on dozens and dozens of occasions.

What I remember, is that I would kill nothing but HGs and the only PHs that I had to clear were giant skellies - although I had to kill a fair amount of them compared to how many I see on Green. (I did also kill the cyclops if I couldn't find a HG quickly or if it was close to my pet).

I never ever killed basalisks or any other ph besides the giant skellies. And I never ran out of HGs kiting there for hours with just KoSing giant skellies.

It really seemed that the basalisks and lizards were on one spawn and the HGs/giant skells were on another.

I literally killed thousands of HGs and I never ever killed basalisks or lizard men.

And at least certain HGs definitely spawned on exact locations, similarly to how they do on Green.

The only differences I can tell on Green from live, is that there are hardly any giant skellies that spawn.

Now, I'm not saying that on live, that killing basalisks and lizard men didn't spawn HGs, but that was not the understanding at the time. I remember a human druid that used to kill HGs sometimes at the same time as me who would always /ooc that I needed to kill skellies because I was hogging all the HGs. No one was farming basalisks/lizard men though.

[Telin]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you sure you know all the nuances that regarding data? you can clearly see some of the pets are being counted twice for some reason.

I'm curious about these duplicate pets?

Also this would be counting giant skeletons from the entire zone, correct? So the HG area wouldn't necessarily have that many up at one time.

[Dolalin]

(as mentioned to Telin in a PM before thread unlock: )

Not sure about the duplicate pets sometimes in the excel sheet. It's not a perfectly clean source.

But I do think the pet dupes are an isolated anomaly.

A way to check the sanity of the count numbers for a zone, that I have done, is to look at mobs in a zone for which you know what the exact count should be (eg static spawns), and correlate them with the count on the sheet.

For rathe mountains, I see there are counts of orc warriors and orc priests, etc. Does that line up with expected numbers given the known orc camp spawns? Barbed bone and skeletal monk spawns? Etc.

I found for other zones like old Paw, the sheet said there were exactly 2 skeletons and 2 zombies in zone, and sure enough I found a newsgroup post saying that the Ghanex Drah room had exactly 2 skeletons and 2 zombies. So I know the numbers can be accurate. Whether they always are? Just have to use our best judgment.