Miscellaneous: Mage Epic pets are currently not classic on P99 (too overpowered) - Page 6

**Telin** · #51 08-03-2020, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dolalin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Classic everquest marches onwards. Awesome possum.

I think the minimum hits for normal mage pets are too high on p99. I could use some research on what they actually hit for in classic. Max hits are always much easier to find even without logs.

Dolalin · #52 08-03-2020, 12:47 PM

Will see what I can find.

Sunderfury · #53 08-03-2020, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OK, so I got around to analyzing the hits for a proper hit distribution. It was really bugging me because I was using this formula:

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[MIN Base]+[DI]*(1 thru 20) = Hit Values

Which is pretty well known, but I think it was missing some tweaks as I was getting a lot of rounding errors based on what I was seeing. I think I have that figured out. Here is the formula that matches exactly (using excel formulas here):

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=ROUNDUP([MIN Base]+ ROUND([DI],1)*[1 thru 20],0)

(Note: would need more data to confirm specifics of above, may have been truncating the DI)

For starters, here is the hit distribution for both mage pet and mist panther:

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mage_epic_pet_hits(21,24,26,29,31,33,36,38,41,43,4 5,48,50,53,55,57,60,62,65,67)

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mist_panther_hits(5,8,11,14,17,20,23,26,29,32,35,3 8,41,44,47,50,53,56,59,62)

While I did not use a formula for the below, here are the bash/kick values (bash/kick combined for epic pet, values seemed equal). Not sure if there are supposed to be a 20 hit distribution or less, needed more data to figure out:

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mage_epic_pet_bash_kick(20,21,22,23,27,28,29,30,31 )

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mist_panther_kick(50,58)

Hope this helps!

P.S. I know not much about "magic number" values and atk vs ac specifics, so didn't care to list that.

@Telin, was parsed from log in the OP

Edit: Doh, you said normal mage pets. Sorry. I think I have some logs tucked away somewhere, but hard to know what level the pet was.

Dolalin · #54 08-04-2020, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Telin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the minimum hits for normal mage pets are too high on p99. I could use some research on what they actually hit for in classic. Max hits are always much easier to find even without logs.

Here are 3 short logs of mage pets in early 2000:

https://web.archive.org/web/20000301...ge/petlog3.asp

https://web.archive.org/web/20000301...ge/petlog2.asp

https://web.archive.org/web/20000301...ge/petlog1.asp

Min hit that I see in these logs is 15, although they aren't super long.

Dolalin · #55 08-04-2020, 05:57 AM

Oh there are two more:

https://web.archive.org/web/20000301...ge/petlog4.asp

https://web.archive.org/web/20000301...ge/petlog5.asp

They're against greenies though so mostly mid-max hits.

Ilahn · #56 08-17-2020, 01:37 PM

you want mage to be classic 1 5 bolts in air same time , pet canni yes that was a very important thing on live , epic did a 240 BS on live , had 4.3k HP a very high mitigation , could stun the unstunable ( yes even giants and raid mobs ) double bolt levi bug , you could coth your own pet and COTH worked , so before you talk classic , maybe try and think wht you are saying and clearly , some of your post have been doc'ed i played live from 2000 as a mage and only after a bad pacth did i not have pet window that lasted for 1 week , epic had always since I got it on live hit max for 81 in end kunark start velious , at luclin pet gained enrage and a 280 BS upgrade..

Ligma · #57 08-17-2020, 02:45 PM

Basically everything you just said is a lie. Pet canni was never a thing until AA and focus. Epic never backstabbed. Epic never enraged, even after PoP pets do. Epic was upgraded to hit for 81 post-velious. Epic did proc just about every round. Epic stun couldn't stun the unstunnable though POP air pets stun worked up to level 6000, it landed on EP bosses, it still did not work on giants or dragons. Double bolts were definitely a thing and I had found spots that gave double bolts 100% of the time.

Kirdan · #58 08-17-2020, 03:12 PM

I remember double bolts on my wiz, it was a thing to behold!

Ilahn · #59 08-17-2020, 05:41 PM

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Basically everything you just said is a lie. Pet canni was never a thing until AA and focus. Epic never backstabbed. Epic never enraged, even after PoP pets do. Epic was upgraded to hit for 81 post-velious. Epic did proc just about every round. Epic stun couldn't stun the unstunnable though POP air pets stun worked up to level 6000, it landed on EP bosses, it still did not work on giants or dragons. Double bolts were definitely a thing and I had found spots that gave double bolts 100% of the time.

pet canni was based on HP so it worked until Luclin where it became mana cost based , epic backstabbed epic 81 in velious , air and epic stun landed on unstunnable .. and yes it did backstab .. coth was not range based and cleared agro 100 % you did not loose pet cothing self and you could coth pets to clear agro and pull .. sadly my old computer i dont have any more

Sabin76 · #60 08-17-2020, 06:44 PM

As much as I'd love for this to be true... without logs/discussions of it actually happening in era, you will not get anywhere here.