Xzerion says TR isn't shown favoritism?

[Enygma]

So then... why don't they get a 1 week raid suspension like Dark Ascension did when Koota was found using SEQ?

The reasoning the guild got a raid suspension for a week was because their "officer" was found cheating... wasn't Perun the raid leader?

People must know that being able to see EVERYTHING as a raid leader is a HUGE advantage to their guild and the primary reason they were able to become the #1 raiding guild on the server. (Not to mention I heard their bard puller Stefan was using SEQ as well - not confirmed) But had Stefan been using ... being able to run straight to the dragon and see every mob all the way back to your raid, is LoL EZmode.

The reason Dark Ascension broke up was because of having two seperate raid suspensions and people getting fed up and burnt out with the way the server was managed.

So I ask why isn't TR being suspended?

Just saying,

Discuss,

Sworen

[Werlop]

Originally Posted by Enygma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they were able to become the #1 raiding guild on the server

Well, at least you're honest.
Maybe because the GM's have given up on moderating? If this happened 2 months ago, almost every guild probably would have gotten a suspension.

[Enygma]

But the reason behind it was because he was an "officer" not just a member... that was the reason the suspension was given.

I understand that an entire guild can't be held accountable for a MEMBER.

Sworen

[Rogean]

Originally Posted by Enygma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So then... why don't they get a 1 week raid suspension like Dark Ascension did when Koota was found using SEQ?

Why is your question specific to TR? Every single raiding guild was guilty of having players who got suspended.. why single out TR? Seems like a biased question.

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We discussed these decisions in length between the senior staff of the server, and much harsher options were considered, including actions taken against guilds that had many of these accounts in them (even to the point of being disbanded).

We could raid suspend yes, but that would result in every raid-capable guild being suspended... in which case it would result in the players deguilding for the duration of the suspension to raid anyways.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is your question specific to TR? Every single raiding guild was guilty of having players who got suspended.. why single out TR? Seems like a biased question.



We could raid suspend yes, but that would result in every raid-capable guild being suspended... in which case it would result in the players deguilding for the duration of the suspension to raid anyways.

Which TMO Officers were found to be using Show EQ

[Rogean]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which TMO Officers were found to be using Show EQ

What does officer have to do with it? Koota wasn't an officer. He was using it to track.

Atleast that was the point of that situation.

[Enygma]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What does officer have to do with it? Koota wasn't an officer. He was using it to track.

Atleast that was the point of that situation.

The reason we were given was because he was an "officer", was the reason Dark Ascension was raid suspended and Koota wasn't just banned.

DA had brought up the fact that there is no way for them to know if someone is cheating or not so why hold the entire guild accountable? The reason was Koota is an Officer and the guild must be held accountable for the Officer's actions because he represents the guild to a higher degree.

I appreciate the answers Rogean.

Thanks,

Sworen

[Fraggle]

Raid suspend Sworen. Problem solved.

Thanks,

Fraggle

[G13]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What does officer have to do with it? Koota wasn't an officer. He was using it to track.

Atleast that was the point of that situation.

Which is exactly my point

An officer of a raiding guild using a hack is a much more serious offense to the rules you have put in place than that of a member doing it. I believe them because as we've seen, Durison, or any officer for TMO for that matter, were not caught using a hack. They were playing by the rules. YOUR rules. Officers can't police every member, but they dam sure better be able to police themselves wouldn't you agree? Otherwise this is just a corrupt box with no discipline or order.

This has nothing to do with accusations leveled at Xzerion. This has everything to do with an officer of TR admitting publicly he was cheating while competing against a rival guild.

In this instance it's TR's leadership that is responsible for either being ignorant of Perun's cheating or complicit in it. Either way, they are responsible.

So that means your punishment should be that much more severe. So how long are you going to make TR's raid suspension be. DA was raid suspended for a total of one month. I think an appropriate ruling should be one month for TR.

[Rogean]

If any guilds get raid suspensions, it would be all of them. If that's what you want I will consider it. I asked the raid guilds to start working with eachother and getting along and you still cannot go one week without multiple raid disputes and rule lawyering.