Revised Newbie Guide

Estu · #1 10-07-2013, 07:34 PM

Inspired by this thread, I revised the preexisting newbie guide on the Wiki, which I found to be rather lacking in some ways. Here is the new version. I added several sections, including one for people entering Norrath for the first time ever (the guide in general is tailored more to rusty veterans, IMO).

I tried to stay with the general tone and content of the old guide except where there were major issues, so it's not necessarily what I would write if it was just me writing a guide, but check it out and link your newbie pals to it if you like! And feel free to offer suggestions for change (or just change it yourself).

Cribanox · #2 10-07-2013, 09:29 PM

I skimmed through it but one thing that caught my eye was this

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I want to tank but I want to do other things too like cast spells
Shadow Knight > Paladin > Bard > Ranger > Monk
SKs and Paladins are both great tanks in EXP groups, and SKs have the added bonus of being able to solo somewhat. Bards are good tanks and have a huge array of other useful abilities. Rangers and monks are both decent tanks; rangers are better at holding aggro, but monks are better at DPSing.

Wat

bards cant tank and monks have flying kick and FD so maybe that counts as "other things" but even other classes can kick / stab and either hide or something.

Estu · #3 10-07-2013, 11:15 PM

I've heard very good arguments made that bards are actually quite good tanks, the basic idea being that they can gear well for HP and hold aggro well, and that there is not a major difference in damage mitigation between them and other tanks. I haven't had much first-hand experience, but I'd be interested in hearing opinions (or, better yet, data).

zanderklocke · #4 10-07-2013, 11:30 PM

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I've heard very good arguments made that bards are actually quite good tanks, the basic idea being that they can gear well for HP and hold aggro well, and that there is not a major difference in damage mitigation between them and other tanks. I haven't had much first-hand experience, but I'd be interested in hearing opinions (or, better yet, data).

Bard can hold aggro very well, but needs to have some pretty solid gear to tank. They will probably also be worse than other tanks, but they can hold their own with keeping aggro if you have a good healer. I have tanked for fungi king groups as well as Master Yael when A-Team didn't have any warriors around.

Estu · #5 10-07-2013, 11:38 PM

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Bard can hold aggro very well, but needs to have some pretty solid gear to tank. They will probably also be worse than other tanks, but they can hold their own with keeping aggro if you have a good healer. I have tanked for fungi king groups as well as Master Yael when A-Team didn't have any warriors around.

So do you think it's fair to say that bards are better tanks than rangers or monks?

heazels · #6 10-08-2013, 02:24 AM

wow someone helped me thanks =p. I've been updating it from time to time.

heazels · #7 10-08-2013, 02:32 AM

some of the stuff you put is not quite accurate though.

webrunner5 · #8 10-08-2013, 05:05 AM

A Rogue is a better tank than a Bard. Good god man. They suck. Where did you think the term "paper tank" came from?

Estu · #9 10-08-2013, 09:22 AM

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wow someone helped me thanks =p. I've been updating it from time to time.

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some of the stuff you put is not quite accurate though.

Hey dude, I'm assuming you're Meadtj on the Wiki. I'd love to work on the guide with you. I saw the changes you made recently (after my overhaul) and I have to dispute a few of them, though. I added notes in the discussion page for that Wiki page; we can talk about it there and try to come to a consensus. Since you started the guide (I think?) I want to defer to you whenever possible, but I also want to avoid giving absolutely wrong information.

fishingme · #10 10-08-2013, 10:08 AM

If the bard has some gear and knows his songs, they are adequate tanks. Paper tanks imo was more towards casters wearing cloth. Ya know, paper, cloth. It's paper man it's dry paper!!