Question about item camp handoffs

Ducket · #1 10-22-2014, 01:25 AM

So, as I've gotten closer to 60 and been able to camp items I have come across more and more things that seem questionable to me.

For instance, AC spawn in oot is it okay for someone to be camping it, not start a list, but instead ask their guild if anyone wants it even if I had been sitting there the entire time waiting for them to either leave or get the spawn.

I'm very much against any type of Dbaggery on this server and prefer to follow all rules and use the play nice policy.

toolshed · #2 10-22-2014, 01:30 AM

Same thing happened to me

Sitting there waiting for the spawn, then some secret 'list' comes out of nowhere with all these people on it while none of them are at the spawn.

Basically people want to trade the camp off to their guildies while they go farm Seafuries. Also - they /duel eachother to create corpses for the lore item

You should NOT be able to be on the 'list' unless you are sitting there waiting. If you leave the camp you leave the waiting list

Tankdan · #3 10-22-2014, 01:34 AM

This question is pretty common -

It is entirely up to the person camping the camp to give it to whom he wants, as long as he is there to pass it off. You should never wait for the person camping it to leave without asking them about it first because they have every legal right on p99 to hand it off to friends and guildmates even if you stand there for 7 hours. If the person tells a guildee to come, but he logs and nobody is at the camp, then it is yours, even if that guildee shows up 5 minutes later claiming it was his next. He has to pass it while there. It can suck, but you may be the beneficiary from this too when you join a guild.

Lolenlionheart · #4 10-22-2014, 03:58 AM

Yup - has happened to me as well... One guild in particular, is camping a few camps 24/7, handing down the camp from member to member.

Makes me want to quit the game.... :/

mropey · #5 10-22-2014, 04:05 AM

What guild? What camp?

Rooj · #6 10-22-2014, 06:43 AM

I would love some GM clarification on this, I had this exact conversation with someone a few weeks ago and I've been wondering about the rules myself. I tried looking through some threads but couldn't find exact answers.

Nuggie · #7 10-22-2014, 06:56 AM

This rule came about when kunark launched and those nerf item camps were so hotly contested. You can pass it off to whomever you want as long as they can keep the camp cleared and no spawns are reasonably left up waiting to be killed.

Edit - just wait till velious drops. Going to be a lot of drama about this.

Ravager · #8 10-22-2014, 07:09 AM

Unless the person there explicitly says you can have it next, I wouldn't waste my time waiting around. Even then I probably wouldn't, because you're essentially double camping one item. There used to be a post about it saying lists mean nothing and that it can be handed out to whomever they wanted, but it looks like that line got lost the last time the rules were rewritten.

Derubael · #9 10-22-2014, 08:54 AM

Pretty clear-cut, and these exact rules have been around in one form or another for quite some time. I really need to compile a "Project 1999: Errata and other extraneous information" post to put all this stuff. For now, this will have to do:

Camp holder has the right to pass the camp to whoever he would like. However, and this is very important, two things must happen in order for this to be a legitimate hand-off:

1) The player being handed the camp must be present around the time the first placeholder spawns after the last holder of the camp has gotten his or her item in hand. The person handing off the camp must stay at the spawn until the next person in line arrives, if that person is on their way to take the camp. There is a little leeway here, and we refuse to set an exact timer on how long the placeholder can be up before the camp is forfeited, but in general it should never be for more than a couple minutes or so. We tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the person coming in to take the camp in these situations as CSR staff, so waiting a bit longer will never hurt. W

2) The person holding the camp cannot mislead you, or change his mind after telling you who is next. Something that no one ever does (and I will never understand why) is to specifically address the camp holder, asking who is next or if you can be next. The camp holder does need to reveal to you who the next intended camp holder is - if he doesn't, you may ask to be next and your claim will be valid unless he reveals the next person immediately. This person cannot change after the camp holder has "revealed" the next person to take the camp to you. It is an automatic forfeit if this occurs. If you ask to be the next camp holder and are told yes, the camp holder may not later retract or change this agreement and attempt to hand the camp off to someone else - it's yours once he has gotten his item or moved on from the camp.

Something else important to note about handing off camps - in particular, popular ones, but this applies to any camp that becomes contested. If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob. The person coming to take the camp had better be prepared at this point in order to come eliminate the very next placeholder spawn in order to "stake his claim" on the mob. You cannot work wacky corpse lines on lore items in order to grab multiple items in the same "camp session" if there are others waiting to take the camp. Please be aware that we reserve the right to apply this same ruling to any camp if we deem it necessary, including camps with multiple players.

Lolenlionheart · #10 10-22-2014, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty clear-cut, and these exact rules have been around in one form or another for quite some time. I really need to compile a "Project 1999: Errata and other extraneous information" post to put all this stuff. For now, this will have to do:

Camp holder has the right to pass the camp to whoever he would like. However, and this is very important, two things must happen in order for this to be a legitimate hand-off:

1) The player being handed the camp must be present around the time the first placeholder spawns after the last holder of the camp has gotten his or her item in hand. The person handing off the camp must stay at the spawn until the next person in line arrives, if that person is on their way to take the camp. There is a little leeway here, and we refuse to set an exact timer on how long the placeholder can be up before the camp is forfeited, but in general it should never be for more than a couple minutes or so. We tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the person coming in to take the camp in these situations as CSR staff, so waiting a bit longer will never hurt. W

2) The person holding the camp cannot mislead you, or change his mind after telling you who is next. Something that no one ever does (and I will never understand why) is to specifically address the camp holder, asking who is next or if you can be next. The camp holder does need to reveal to you who the next intended camp holder is - if he doesn't, you may ask to be next and your claim will be valid unless he reveals the next person immediately. This person cannot change after the camp holder has "revealed" the next person to take the camp to you. It is an automatic forfeit if this occurs. If you ask to be the next camp holder and are told yes, the camp holder may not later retract or change this agreement and attempt to hand the camp off to someone else - it's yours once he has gotten his item or moved on from the camp.

Something else important to note about handing off camps - in particular, popular ones, but this applies to any camp that becomes contested. If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob. The person coming to take the camp had better be prepared at this point in order to come eliminate the very next placeholder spawn in order to "stake his claim" on the mob. You cannot work wacky corpse lines on lore items in order to grab multiple items in the same "camp session" if there are others waiting to take the camp. Please be aware that we reserve the right to apply this same ruling to any camp if we deem it necessary, including camps with multiple players.

Thank you for clarifying it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I have experienced a camp holder saying that SOMEONE from his guild were next, but he couldnt tell me who, since noone was online at that time, and he would give it to the first who came on...

I asked to be on the list - got told that it eould be AFTER a guildie of his came online.