Classic vs. Challenge

[Raev]

Rumor, which runs before us like a barking dog, hints that the Beta server is not going to be up again, and the raid targets are going to be buffed. On the one hand, I love the fact that raid content is finally going to be challenging in ways other than poopsocking/FTE. On the other hand, it deeply bothers me that we won't have a classic server. We have a bunch of classholes talking about how we need to nerf the client so you can't move items out of banked bags, and yet we currently have:

• Dragon fear lasting 2-3x longer than it should
• 'normal' AEs should be resisted like 85-90% with max resists, not 30-40%
• Many dragons with 1.5-2x HP
• Avatar of War hitting 35% faster than he should be
• Dragons with way overtuned ATK values

And so on and so forth. I think when people start actually playing Velious there is going to be a massive outcry about how hugely overtuned these targets are. But then, on the first hand again, if Velious is released with truly classic values everything will be stomped on day 1.

Here is my suggestion: let's introduce a 'difficulty' knob that explicitly makes mobs more challenging, kind of like 'players 8' in Diablo. For example, suppose our difficulty was set at '+50'. Well, in that case, all raid targets get 50% more HP, their AEs all do 50% more damage, their AC/ATK goes up, etc. I'm just making up numbers here, but I think this has some big advantages over the current ad hoc system:

• We have the code for a true classic server
• Fresh servers can start at difficulty 0, and the staff can gradually increase it to keep things challenging
• Kunark with 2x raid target HP and other NPC buffs might actually be interesting
• Guilds won't be able to stomp Velious on day 1, because everything will be much harder than it was on the Beta server the night before.
• Which means that the beta server can stay up and we can continue to find bugs like 10th ring war mobs warping through the ground

[Efwan]

Voted no. With the raid scene like it is this all will be perfect, at least then it may feel like the classic experience. This doesn't affect any of the casuals really just the raiders which need to be affected. Noone wants to see flayed barbarian skin leggings on night 1 just because of a zerg.

[Raev]

^^ did not read post

[Efwan]

I did. Why steadily increase difficulty when we pretty much need it at the "hardest" on day 1?

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Raev

Guilds won't be able to stomp Velious on day 1, because everything will be much harder than it was on the Beta server the night before.

Furthermore, the entire thrust of the post was that increasing difficulty is a good thing, but we should do it in a clean and elegant way rather than a bunch of ad hoc changes.

Originally Posted by Raev

On the one hand, I love the fact that raid content is finally going to be challenging in ways other than poopsocking/FTE

TLDR: you either did not read or did not comprehend my post.

[jpetrick]

Source of this information?

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by jpetrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Source of this information?

This. Where are you getting this information Raev?

[ArumTP]

No "hard mode". Classic mode only. Stuff across the board needs proper tune.

Those dragons(woushi) are some serious BS.

Bags is something like something we just never remembered. Resist gear pointless is something that all feels wrong.

[Tickle-me-tiggle]

Originally Posted by ArumTP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No "hard mode". Classic mode only. Stuff across the board needs proper tune.

Those dragons(woushi) are some serious BS.

Bags is something like something we just never remembered. Resist gear pointless is something that all feels wrong.

You do realize wuoshi was designed to be done by a SMALLER group, as in it's easier the less people that you bring.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Tickle-me-tiggle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realize wuoshi was designed to be done by a SMALLER group, as in it's easier the less people that you bring.

This makes no sense.

Nothing in Classic EQ is easier with fewer people unless you're surrounded by idiots training you.

In Luclin in an event like Shei where death adds spawn, sure. But Classic-Velious, nothing is easier with fewer people. Zerg is the name of the game. Thus the IB-ATeam merger and the TMO-Lord Bob merger. Expect to see more mergers and alliances in Velious. Numbers will win fights especially if resists continue to not have a huge impact.