Rain spells

[Iumuno]

We didn't use rains on live because of resist issues, even when no summoned pets were there to eat waves. So sadly, this seems classic to me.

[dafier]

Originally Posted by Iumuno [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We didn't use rains on live because of resist issues, even when no summoned pets were there to eat waves. So sadly, this seems classic to me.

From what I remember about classic, I didn't use them either.

I did use them in Luclin and PoP though. I'd pull several mobs have my pet agro (this is all high level stuff I am talking) all of them and rain them down. It had a LOW agro to the spell and the resists were minimal.

[Haynar]

Classic rains always had pets eat waves. Sucked. Made them less useful.

Rains also couldn't get kill shots. Can't remember when I saw the patch note about that changing.

So keep those things in mind whe using rains. Pets suck. And they won't finish off a mob.

H

[dafier]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Classic rains always had pets eat waves. Sucked. Made them less useful.

Rains also couldn't get kill shots. Can't remember when I saw the patch note about that changing.

So keep those things in mind whe using rains. Pets suck. And they won't finish off a mob.

H

Your addition to this thread is invaluable. Thanks Haynar. There are certain things in Classic EQ that were plain and simple, broken. I know it's not classic, but having them fixed would be awesome.

Does it change the game play if you made a change that would allow it not to hit the pet and only the NPCs and fix the code where it would allow it to kill the target?

Honestly I don't know if I am requesting or what....I think I am just voicing out. I could careless. What I tell everyone is not to ever use those spells. They are absolutely worthless (waste of mana).

Edit:

Like I said in a previous post. Rains were worth while in later expansions. It actually made sense to use them. It's just too bad they weren't that way from the get go.

[Pyrion]

in p1999 (and in classic times) rains are just a newbie trap. Sound good on paper, but totally worthless. I don't really understand why we need to have the bugs from earlier times as well. I know, i know... it's classic.

[TanDemain]

Actually, if the right circumstance present them self, rains are actually preferred. The right circumstances are; no pets, not a killing shot, a mob with low resist (fire on frost, frost on fire mobs etc).

As a wizard, I save more mana from my rain spells used on mobs then a DD spell (assuming the above circumstances are in order).


Sunstrike: 1615 @ 450mana 7sec cast

Tears of Solusek: 645 x 3 = 1935 @ 408mana 5sec cast
Tears of Prexus: 690 x 3 = 2070 @ 437mana 5sec cast

TLDR: Git gud

[dafier]

Thanks for the feedback Tan, but I've yet to see a rain land on 50+ mobs and do full damage.

Maybe I'll try it next time I am in HoT fighting the red wurms there.

[Pipip]

I use them in pvp

[Telin]

My logs from PoP era Al'kabor server.

[Thu Feb 28 18:25:50 2013] Your target resisted the Winter's Storm spell.
[Thu Feb 28 18:25:50 2013] Your target resisted the Winter's Storm spell.
[Thu Feb 28 18:25:50 2013] a hill giant was hit by non-melee for 850 points of damage.
[Thu Feb 28 18:25:50 2013] tainted hill giant was hit by non-melee for 850 points of damage.
[Thu Feb 28 18:26:24 2013] a hill giant was hit by non-melee for 850 points of damage.
[Thu Feb 28 18:26:24 2013] A hill giant is caught in a raging blizzard.
[Thu Feb 28 18:26:24 2013] a hill giant was hit by non-melee for 850 points of damage.
[Thu Feb 28 18:26:24 2013] A hill giant is caught in a raging blizzard.
[Thu Feb 28 18:26:24 2013] Your target resisted the Winter's Storm spell.
[Thu Feb 28 18:26:24 2013] tainted hill giant was hit by non-melee for 850 points of damage.
[Thu Feb 28 18:26:24 2013] Tainted hill giant is caught in a raging blizzard.
[Thu Feb 28 18:26:40 2013] a hill giant was hit by non-melee for 850 points of damage.
[Thu Feb 28 18:26:40 2013] A hill giant is caught in a raging blizzard.
[Thu Feb 28 18:26:40 2013] Your target resisted the Winter's Storm spell.
[Thu Feb 28 18:26:40 2013] a hill giant was hit by non-melee for 850 points of damage.
[Thu Feb 28 18:26:40 2013] A hill giant is caught in a raging blizzard.
[Thu Feb 28 18:26:40 2013] tainted hill giant was hit by non-melee for 850 points of damage.
[Thu Feb 28 18:26:40 2013] Tainted hill giant is caught in a raging blizzard.
[Thu Feb 28 18:26:40 2013] You have slain tainted hill giant!
[Thu Feb 28 18:26:40 2013] Tainted hill giant is caught in a raging blizzard.
[Thu Feb 28 18:27:00 2013] a hill giant was hit by non-melee for 850 points of damage.
[Thu Feb 28 18:27:00 2013] A hill giant is caught in a raging blizzard.
[Thu Feb 28 18:27:00 2013] You have slain a hill giant!
[Thu Feb 28 18:27:00 2013] A hill giant is caught in a raging blizzard.
[Thu Feb 28 18:27:00 2013] a hill giant was hit by non-melee for 850 points of damage.
[Thu Feb 28 18:27:00 2013] A hill giant is caught in a raging blizzard.
[Thu Feb 28 18:27:00 2013] a hill giant was hit by non-melee for 850 points of damage.
[Thu Feb 28 18:27:00 2013] A hill giant is caught in a raging blizzard.
[Thu Feb 28 18:27:00 2013] You have slain a hill giant!
[Thu Feb 28 18:27:00 2013] A hill giant is caught in a raging blizzard.
[Thu Feb 28 18:27:17 2013] a hill giant was hit by non-melee for 850 points of damage.
[Thu Feb 28 18:27:17 2013] A hill giant is caught in a raging blizzard.
[Thu Feb 28 18:27:17 2013] You have slain a hill giant!
[Thu Feb 28 18:27:17 2013] A hill giant is caught in a raging blizzard.
[Thu Feb 28 18:27:21 2013] corrupted hill giant scowls at you, ready to attack -- You could probably win this fight.

[dafier]

Nice logs. I do recall rains being worth while later in the game (PoP era and beyond).

Actually, since the change in this last patch that ignore your pet (mage) as a target I've been using Manastorm and it's been working out nicely.