Understanding <Empire>'s raid suspension

[Videri]

I'd really appreciate it if players and staff could help me understand what Sirken's decree means in practical terms.

"The guild "Empire" is suspended from the next Phara'Dar effective immediately for the following violation:
Cwall of Empire Trains Good Guys at PD's Door in VP (7/1) (Next PD + Player Suspension)"

First of all, I am so happy Empire finally had guild-wide consequences for training. I believe guild-wide consequences are the only way GMs can get guild leaders to police their own members. I was so relieved when I heard this and I'm very grateful to the GMs. On to my question.

It's clear this means <Empire> can't kill the next Phara Dar. But can they still enter VP while she's up to try to stop others from downing her? Or do they have to give other guilds a free shot at PD?

[TheBiznessTZ]

i Would love to hear clear cut rules on this. I Heard we aren't allowed to enter VP at all while TMO is attempting PD but then how will we know when its dead to contest for the other dragons? Also heard we can't even attempt to PvP siege in SF to delay your attempts on PD. Would love to know the exact rules so there is no more further punishment.

[Ele]

Sounds like red is turning blue with all these new fangled rules.

[Tassador]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds like red is turning blue with all these new fangled rules.

The so called red elites are in need of a blue guild TMO to try and win the server for the first time in 9 years. Yeah it's been blue and it's getting more blue by the second.

[Colgate]

don't be fooled, it has always been skewed in favor of the losing crowd here

i.e. the guild that loses can train nonstop in a fight and suffer no guildwide penalty as long as they didn't kill the raid mob

if the winning guild trains? raid suspension

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

don't be fooled, it has always been skewed in favor of the losing crowd here

i.e. the guild that loses can train nonstop in a fight and suffer no guildwide penalty as long as they didn't kill the raid mob

if the winning guild trains? raid suspension

Even if you lost/conceded the mob on blue, you still got the punishment (depending on Era and CSR). I guess red has that going for itself.

[vinnidel]

the unpaid GM Sirken volunteers his own time (free of charge, i might add) to write up a nebulous ruling, and now you're demanding that he make another post clarifying the original? This player pool is so toxic, they never appreciate what these GMs (who make NO money) do. OP, if you don't like it here, you can just leave.

Ty Sirken, Moregan, Eunomia, et all for all that you do here (despite receiving NO compensation). I'm looking forward to your next stream-cast.

[Videri]

Bullshit, Colgate. You guys trained us relentlessly and have faced virtually no consequences. You guys often train on alts you don't care about and those characters get suspended - who cares? You can train on another alt next week. Now, finally, you guys have a raid suspension.

When was the last raid suspension <Empire> had?

[Colgate]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even if you lost/conceded the mob on blue, you still got the punishment (depending on Era and CSR). I guess red has that going for itself.

yeah, there's a big disconnect between the two servers in terms of rulings and punishments

probably mostly due to the fact that blue gets 95% of the CSR staff's attention, though

[nottitanuk]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah, there's a big disconnect between the two servers in terms of rulings and punishments

probably mostly due to the fact that blue gets 95% of the CSR staff's attention, though