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Old 08-24-2015, 11:58 PM
Droog007 Droog007 is offline
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Is there any way we can come to an agreement other than "fastest trade in the west"? Because currently the prize for the runner-up is petitioning in hopes to get your Marching Orders returned. This creates extra headache for the staff - and we can bet that if we don't solve this problem with the tools given us (/random?), they will use their favorite tool (/variance!).
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Old 08-25-2015, 12:04 AM
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Just to clarify tho - if you open trade with Gloradin v1.0 (the Gloradin that spawns and accepts the Marching Orders), only two things can happen: Either you're the fastest to click give and you win the turn-in, or someone else beats you, she despawns, and the trade window closes.

The problem Droog is referring to is when an 8th ring hopeful accidentally opens trade with Gloradin v2.0 (the version that respawns immediately after Gloradin 1.0 accepts someone's Marching Orders), clicks give, and loses their Marching Orders.
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Old 08-25-2015, 12:32 AM
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Paul is spot on - those who are a bit slow would open the trade window with Gloradin 2.0 and thus end up being a petition queue item since it gets eaten.

Ideally it would be good if it ended up being more socially manageable but sadly FTE appears to be what people prefer. The other problem I find is since this is a 24 hour spawn, once it has been set at a certain time it's likely not to change to make it a bit fair for people of other time zones (right now its around late night US which makes it difficult for EU and Asian/Oceanic folks).

Changing the mechanics of her timing will not be classic. However adding a bit more reset variance might help alleviate this problem (having her reset during a server maintenance/update as well, for eg). I do recall her being available that way during server downtime back on live
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Old 08-25-2015, 12:30 AM
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Please no variance that would be the worst possible solution.

Showing up for 5min, losing orders and petitioning to get them back is immensely better than staring at a wall clicking for 8 hours night after night losing the turnins, even then people will still have their orders eaten under the same scenario.

Cause that's what it would turn in to. People already do it for Stormfeather, but his variance is classic. This didn't have variance and was a classic 24 hours.

If all people present want to come to an agreement they can do that. I've seen atleast 1 random off there and the winner did their turn in.
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Old 08-25-2015, 10:59 AM
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Please no variance that would be the worst possible solution.

Showing up for 5min, losing orders and petitioning to get them back is immensely better than staring at a wall clicking for 8 hours night after night losing the turnins,
not sure if you're up on petition time turnarounds, but it's a long wait.

i've requested ring 1-7 in the time it's taken for mine.
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Old 08-25-2015, 11:09 AM
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not sure if you're up on petition time turnarounds, but it's a long wait.

i've requested ring 1-7 in the time it's taken for mine.
Im aware on the delay, I have a petition waiting for a Dirk reimbursement due to incorrect faction check on the Dain.

But you can't honestly say, that having to resort to clicking air for 8 hours with variance would be any sort of improvement to the current situation. People will still click air with variance being in. People did it with Ragefire and Stormfeather... They'll do it here too.

All variance does is push casuals away from completing things and reward neckbeards for staring at their screen for 8 hours doing nothing else but clicking.

Plus for most people, they cannot solo the ring war. And the timer on the event before Garadian charges is minimal such that players couldn't port to Iceclad or GD and run over... so they would have to have friends camped out for 8 hours waiting to log in. Whereas now you can have your friends present for 5 minutes and if you don't get the turn in, oh well.

I agree something being done about the turnins getting eaten would be good. But variance is not the solution to this.
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Old 08-25-2015, 11:22 AM
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All variance does is push casuals away from completing things and reward neckbeards for staring at their screen for 8 hours doing nothing else but clicking.
I agree variance pushes casual players away.
Yet no variance pushes non-US citizens away. Right now you need a very good ping to compete for that turn-in. There is no way an asian or euro can compete at the moment.
I have a fantastic fiber optics connection, yet mobs are triggered before I can even see the NPC pop.
It was the case with ragefire and nobles click fests.

At least with a little variance (not the 16 hours nightmare), we could hope people aren't fully focused when mob pops.
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Old 08-25-2015, 11:36 AM
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I agree variance pushes casual players away.
Yet no variance pushes non-US citizens away. Right now you need a very good ping to compete for that turn-in. There is no way an asian or euro can compete at the moment.
I have a fantasatic fiber optics connection, yet mobs are triggered before I can even see the NPC pop.
It was the case with ragefire and nobles click fests.

At least with a little variance (not the 16 hours nightmare), we could hope people aren't fully focused when mob pops.
True, or have US friends who can help you.

One of my guildmates lives in the middle of no where and has 300 ping. After having the issue you mention where the mob is already turned in before you see it on your screen, he asked another guildmate and myself to log in on his behalf. After we each logged him in 1 night, I got the turn in for him and finished up his ring while playing his character. He saw an issue and utilized guildmates/friends to overcome the issue. Not super classic, but in the spirit of classic.

The issue with high ping non-American players is a real one. If we get a euro time repop or server patch, that may help resolve this issue. If he is spawning at 10AM US time, most will be at work through the workdays and then euros have a better shot, for example.

Little variance or lots of variance won't help. Nerds will spam click regardless. And when nerds are spam clicking euros aren't going to be any better off.

I've seen atleast 1 turnin go to the high roller when the 4 or so people present agreed to do it that way and /random. The only problem with this system is the list will continue to grow. RNG should eventually fall in your favor but you could go from being 1 of 5 trying to turn in to being 1 in 20 trying to turn in and you may keep losing.
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Old 08-28-2015, 06:40 AM
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Please no variance that would be the worst possible solution.
I disagree with this guy more often than not so I am going to say variance is probably a good idea if he is against it.
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Old 08-25-2015, 12:35 AM
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If they could set the 2nd version to not accept or open trades that would solve some of the issue. Or you just have the 2nd version spawn outside the house or have it give you back the Marching Orders.
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