Discussion on 20 minute engage rule for undead bard (trak guts) when next patch comes

[Oleris]

Similar to how ragefire currently works, next patch a summonable Trakanon will be available for bards to get their guts for their epic. He is on a ~24 hour or so spawn, who knows about variance on p1999 for this. This Trakanon will drop 1 breastplate that is currently on his loot table with a guaranteed set of guts for the bard epic.

Currently, for quests and summonable events like this, the person who turned it in gets 20 minutes to start the encounter before others can kill it for themselves. I know in the past people farming ixiblats for MQ's would get terribly angry when their ragefire would get sniped.

So, I was thinking how it would be almost impossible to get a turn in and be able to get a raid force to engage Trakanon within 20 minutes that are spread out in Norrath, especially if the person doesn't have a COTH mage parked on poop sock mountain. The guild would need to port to dl --> KC ---> evac to EJ --> TT ---> seb --> clear or COTH down for Trakanon within 20 minutes. VS remains shouldn't be too hard since a guild can port to DL and run straight to KC

Here are some options
1) leave it how it is (guild slow? too bad)
2) extend window to engage
3) allow other guilds to engage after 20, but gurantee guts to the person who did turnin.

Feel free to discuss.

[Champion_Standing]

✓ 4) Wipe it clean

[Exmo]

Anyone want to post how brutal the pre-quest is to get the turn in piece? If it sucks a lot that changes things. Pearls are easier.

[Oleris]

Red scale is summonable in the hole + ragefire/naggy/talendor, trak gut comes from trakanon or new trak. Only bottleneck will be white scale from vox/gore

[Ele]

Let's see if people are even spam clicking fake Trak air first.

This isn't a duo/trio event like Ragefire. Even 2-3 groups can easily wipe without a clean lair pull/clear.

If we hadn't seen 300+ Traks by now, I could see people wanting the BPs still. The two-three groups farming fake Trak would be better off doing plate cycle/Arena/WToV/HoT if they want armor upgrades.

Guilds farming fake Trak for guts to sell on MQ? We'll see.

[Oleris]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's see if people are even spam clicking fake Trak air first.

This isn't a duo/trio event like Ragefire. Even 2-3 groups can easily wipe without a clean lair pull/clear.

If we hadn't seen 300+ Traks by now, I could see people wanting the BPs still. The two-three groups farming fake Trak would be better off doing plate cycle/Arena/WToV/HoT if they want armor upgrades.

Guilds farming fake Trak for guts to sell on MQ? We'll see.

I could easily see some larger guilds parking alts they don't play anymore at the entrance of Seb just for these since it will be ~1 every 24 hours. No idea how cheap trak guts will go, but I would definitely park a character at seb entrance if a fake trak was snipeable every day for a chance to roll on guts/bp.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's see if people are even spam clicking fake Trak air first.

This isn't a duo/trio event like Ragefire. Even 2-3 groups can easily wipe without a clean lair pull/clear.

If we hadn't seen 300+ Traks by now, I could see people wanting the BPs still. The two-three groups farming fake Trak would be better off doing plate cycle/Arena/WToV/HoT if they want armor upgrades.

Guilds farming fake Trak for guts to sell on MQ? We'll see.

This. If fake trak had teeth would be one thing, but Trak BP's? Let players sort it out first. This may very well be a non-issue. I remember on live, fake trak was something a guild would do for a guild bard, and there was no hassle, it was a "slow night" kind of thing to do.

[maestrom]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This. If fake trak had teeth would be one thing, but Trak BP's? Let players sort it out first. This may very well be a non-issue. I remember on live, fake trak was something a guild would do for a guild bard, and there was no hassle, it was a "slow night" kind of thing to do.

I think this will probably be the case eventually. Probably like Phinny. Yeah he's up a lot now, but he died twice a day for how many years?

But for several months, guilds with CoTH plants already set and capable of camping a raid force at Seb IZ will farm it. Why not? It costs them nothing to break off of what they're doing and take a free trak BP. Charging clickies is expensive, an extra 5 Kunark BPS a and bard epic MQs a week can go a long way toward funding that.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by maestrom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think this will probably be the case eventually. Probably like Phinny. Yeah he's up a lot now, but he died twice a day for how many years?

But for several months, guilds with CoTH plants already set and capable of camping a raid force at Seb IZ will farm it. Why not? It costs them nothing to break off of what they're doing and take a free trak BP. Charging clickies is expensive, an extra 5 Kunark BPS a and bard epic MQs a week can go a long way toward funding that.

I know guilds defray some costs of recharging items + reagents, but I also know that guilds also require that their raiders get a brain moran and manage to keep enough bank to buy their own supplies.

Farming Trak bp's would def be on the "wow we got nothing to do" list. Could make more money mq'ing velious armor pieces at this point.

[Swish]

I think that blue server doesn't have enough rules and needs further written directions on every mob that drops an item.

I'm glad to find my opinion is shared with those in this thread <3