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Old 01-03-2016, 07:24 PM
Achilles93 Achilles93 is offline
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Question Enchanter vs Bard

I was with a skilled enchanter the other day in group. It was humbling. Charmed NPC dps is amazing. I sang mana songs and snared, when charm broke I helped by mezzing the former pet while he recharmed etc. So I was not useless but it seemed like replacing me with another chanter would have made the group even better.

My question: at higher levels are bards passed over for groups? Do we compete with enchanters for group desirability? At high levels are there a zillion enchanters and fewer bards? I would like to raid on my bard; is there a glut of high end bards already?
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Old 01-03-2016, 07:47 PM
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I wouldn't totally discount your role in helping with breaks. When you have a Dire Wolf doubling for 250 or a Siren quadding for 180 with 70% haste and a Steel Hilted Flint Dagger, they can rip through a cloth class very easily. Having another class who can freely cast stun/mez or even root without having to channel through that really helps even an on-the-ball enchanter. So I think at high levels (= NPCs > 50) charm is much more a team effort.

Enchanters are so incredibly good because they fulfill two roles in the group (dps + cc/buffs). Shamans (tanking + cc/buffs) and Monks (tanking + pulling + dps) are superb for the same reason. Bards can do this too, though, by complementing their natural cc/buffs combination with either tanking (gear for AC and cast snare for aggro) or pulling (split with lull and then use the SS helm to pull mobs into camp while you sing songs normally).

Bards have a more interesting endgame role (enchanters mostly just buff) although really the only endgame role that matters is COH mage for FTE /cry

Anyway, in my opinion the best four classes in Classic EQ are Enchanter, Monk, Shaman, and Bard in some order. So you can't go wrong either way.
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Old 01-03-2016, 08:15 PM
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My question: at higher levels are bards passed over for groups? Do we compete with enchanters for group desirability? At high levels are there a zillion enchanters and fewer bards? I would like to raid on my bard; is there a glut of high end bards already?
Enc class only gets better as the levels progress. It's one of the strongest classes in the game, though quite weak in the beginning. If you've ever followed any of the solo and duo competitions, you'll notice enc is at or near the top of the ladder. Bards have that resist buff song [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Old 01-03-2016, 08:55 PM
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I think bards are more in demand at the moment due to lack of supply. For raids anyways.

Enchanter can solo in more places, pre velious. Not sure in velious.
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Old 01-03-2016, 11:39 PM
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As a bard, my favorite groups involve an enchanter and bard together. Get a few dps together, a solid tank and cleric, and a bard can pull and over pull because everyone's going to have mana and the mobs are going to die super fast.
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Old 01-04-2016, 01:10 PM
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As a bard, my favorite groups involve an enchanter and bard together. Get a few dps together, a solid tank and cleric, and a bard can pull and over pull because everyone's going to have mana and the mobs are going to die super fast.
A bard and chanter who work well together is an awesome thing to behold. Bard can pull multiples, he charms the first add, chanter mezzes the rest. You then have double charm pet dps, mobs waiting to be killed, and super mana regen.
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Old 01-03-2016, 11:46 PM
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it seemed like replacing me with another chanter would have made the group even better.
though a group of 6 enchanters is OP a regular group with 1 enchanter 1 bard and 1 MORE enchanter, receives no extra mana from that 3rd chanter.

I would consider replacing any other dps class if another enchanter was available, while keeping the bard as they are providing at the very least more mana regen for the party.
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Old 01-03-2016, 11:48 PM
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Bard is a better raid class atm. Ideally, all or near-all raid groups would have bards in them. You really only need 2-4 enchanters for the vast majority of raids. As interactive and fun as the Enchanter class can be -- Bard is one of the only classes that is even more interactive and has even more possible uses.

It's hard to say who is faster at leveling. Enchanters get easy chardok groups...but Bards have swarm kiting. Both can charm or group (but id give the edge to enchanter here).
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Old 01-04-2016, 01:14 PM
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Bard is a better raid class atm. Ideally, all or near-all raid groups would have bards in them. You really only need 2-4 enchanters for the vast majority of raids. As interactive and fun as the Enchanter class can be -- Bard is one of the only classes that is even more interactive and has even more possible uses.

It's hard to say who is faster at leveling. Enchanters get easy chardok groups...but Bards have swarm kiting. Both can charm or group (but id give the edge to enchanter here).
Chanter charm pet dps > most of your raid toon dps. On Phinny we roll like a dozen chanters each night. The hard part is finding pets for all of us but man shit dies fast. Trash clearing in Hate and Fear is completely trivial with half a dozen charm pets.
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Old 01-04-2016, 12:21 AM
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