Monk - Trance Stick vs Knuckle Dusters

[CptnCanuck]

New to the monk class and thought I post for some advice.

I am assuming even though the Knuckle Dusters are a higher delay that they beat out the Trance Sticks due to having double the damage.

I am also assuming this still holds true when you get to level 35 and the Trance Stick starts proccing, though I could be wrong in that assumption.

I was wondering if I did get a pair of Knuckle Dusters, would it still be worth having Trance Sticks on me for when fighting casters for the quicker delay(weapon pushback) and the pushback from the proc after 35?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Pushback no longer works on caster mobs to interrupt spells sadly. That was changed a while ago.

I am not a monk expert, but I believe you should do trance stick in main hand and dusters in offhand. In offhand ratio is more important, in main hand low delay is usually preferred due to the main hand getting a damage bonus. But it does depend on the ratio of the weapon and your level. Trance stick ratio is pretty low.

[Ripqozko]

I'll wait on samoht to tell me how DSM is wrong

[Samoht]

Depends on your level. The faster ratio on Master Wu's Trance Stick doesn't really swing in your favor until your damage bonus is above 5, so Knuckle Dusters has better white DPS before level 43.

The proc on using Wu's mainhand will add about 2.8 DPS beginning at level 35 assuming a proc rate of 2 per minute.

35-40 is a little gray to me on which would be better, but before 35 it's the KD, and it's Wu's after 40 when considering the proc.

Offhand has no damage bonus and proc rate of 1 per minute, so use KD secondary over Wu's at all levels until level 58/59 depending on race and then bare fist would be better. If you have epic, bare fists are always better than either weapon in either slot after you can equip it at level 46.

Main Hand Ratio = (Dam + Bonus) / Delay
Damage Bonus = (Level - 25) / 3 round down

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[Garnaak]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Depends on your level. The faster ratio on Master Wu's Trance Stick doesn't really swing in your favor until your damage bonus is above 5, so Knuckle Dusters has better white DPS before level 43.

The proc on using Wu's mainhand will add about 2.8 DPS beginning at level 35 assuming a proc rate of 2 per minute.

35-40 is a little gray to me on which would be better, but before 35 it's the KD, and it's Wu's after 40 when considering the proc.

Offhand has no damage bonus and proc rate of 1 per minute, so use KD secondary over Wu's at all levels until level 58/59 depending on race and then bare fist would be better. If you have epic, bare fists are always better than either weapon in either slot after you can equip it at level 46.

Main Hand Ratio = (Dam + Bonus) / Delay
Damage Bonus = (Level - 25) / 3 round down

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Uh, I think this is wrong info. The correct way to do it would be (2*DAM + BONUS) /DELAY

Trance stick is worse than KD mainhand (and offhand) always.

Just get a jade mace if choosing 1hb. But as others have said, 2hb is way better once damage caps come off. I keep a trance stick in my bag, just to skill up for the first few minutes after a ding.

[Kich867]

Originally Posted by Garnaak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Uh, I think this is wrong info. The correct way to do it would be (2*DAM + BONUS) /DELAY

Trance stick is worse than KD mainhand (and offhand) always.

Just get a jade mace if choosing 1hb. But as others have said, 2hb is way better once damage caps come off. I keep a trance stick in my bag, just to skill up for the first few minutes after a ding.

Does the proc not make up for it? Using your equation they're nearly identical in main hand but the trance stick has a proc.

[radbeard]

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Does the proc not make up for it? Using your equation they're nearly identical in main hand but the trance stick has a proc.

This isn't a straight answer to your question but an off-hand trance stick is going to add something like 0.65 to 1.3 dps on average held in your offhand. I would guess that dual wielding trance sticks by lvl 35 when it begins to proc you're probably already doing 25ish dps vs blue mobs. So the proc isn't very substantial. Whether its enough to edge out better than a KD....I don't know. I think its close enough you could probably use either without much detectable difference.

[Croco]

2 per minute proc rate is with 255 dex, no way he's hitting that, he's getting 1 ppm if he's lucky

[CptnCanuck]

Thanks everyone for your responses.

That chart is very helpful Samoht! Since my Iksar monk is only lvl 10 looks like I will just look to acquire 2 Knuckle Dusters for the foreseeable future.

[greenspectre]

Originally Posted by CptnCanuck [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks everyone for your responses.

That chart is very helpful Samoht! Since my Iksar monk is only lvl 10 looks like I will just look to acquire 2 Knuckle Dusters for the foreseeable future.

FWIW, Jade Mace might be worth looking into. It's like a KD for your mainhand that milks the damage bonus better.

Also, I'm unsure, but I think a Wu's Quivering is gonna be better DPS than twin Knuckle Dusters after 20 for quite a while. Samoht seems like he's good at crunching the numbers, though, so I bet he could verify.