Claw of Lightning is disappointing (ranger)

[Snaggles]

I have been able to sit down and spend more time parsing different setups on my ranger. I presumed the CoL to be at least comparable to the Swiftwind but at least in my testing it seems to be lagging behind when averaging Ring War and Hall of Testing kills. It also has pretty marginal stats compared to the Kunark epic.

Ultimately for a 20% worse ratio, the 50 attack at least seems to make up for it. Maybe there is a break-point where with enough attack it will shine but today in HoT I couldn’t see a parse that tipped it as an advantage, even with bard songs and Avatar at 1537 attack when the Swiftwind setup was 1587. With this attack my highest parses still came from the 2h but I didn’t have enough tears or control to run accurate averages. I’ll keep plunk away though as my sample groups are small.

Does anyone have differing thoughts or examples for the ranger? I’ve tried a Meljeldin, BoF/Claw, and BoF/Swiftwind. With and without proccing a primal. I have 41% worn haste so the claw added haste is a moot topic.

For the rogue I feel it might make sense. It’s a solid offhand ratio and 1% extra haste if you are main-handing the epic (or cycling it for backstabs). I’m just speculating on this.

[Snaggles]

I have no idea what autocorrect did to this, it was late:

“With this attack my highest parses still came from the 2h but I didn’t have enough tears or control to run accurate averages”

I expect I meant small sample groups and with the bard songs on and off it was difficult to get concise data.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

What you are experiencing looks correct according to my DPS calculator (see my signature for link). Using the following stats for each weapon:

60 Ranger, 255 STR, 100% Haste (No Baton Procs) fighting a level 50 Warrior mob:

1.BoF/Claw = 80 DPS Average (74 DPS to 84 DPS Range)
2. BoF/Swiftwind (No ATK bonus) = 74 DPS Average (70 DPS to 77 DPS Range)
3. BoF/Swiftwind (+30 ATK from Swiftwind) = 78 DPS Average (72 DPS to 81 DPS Range)

With only a 2 DPS difference in favor of Claw, it's going to be hard to see Claw doing better, because parses are going to have variation. You can see the DPS range is between 7 and 10 for the different weapon sets.

Can you post the logs? Or PM them to me?

[Snaggles]

Sure. I’ll get some better logs in the next couple weeks with self-buffs if that’s ok. It wouldn’t be against raid level mobs but if anything that would give the nod to the Claw over the Swiftwind. The Swiftwind actually displays 50 attack so your math makes sense. It’s a lot to overcome (ratio wise) since stuck in the offhand.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure. I’ll get some better logs in the next couple weeks with self-buffs if that’s ok. It wouldn’t be against raid level mobs but if anything that would give the nod to the Claw over the Swiftwind. The Swiftwind actually displays 50 attack so your math makes sense. It’s a lot to overcome (ratio wise) since stuck in the offhand.

Yeah I don't mind as long as you let me know what buffs you have on for the logs.

The display for ATK on the client is incorrect as far as I know. You can get an estimate for the difference between how much ATK you get from one thing over another, but not the precise number. If you knew for certain how much ATK a specific item/buff gave, you could probably do a conversion. I'd need to do some more testing on that. I am not 100% sure if all worn items/clickie spells use the max level for the spell. For the invigorate BP's, they were patched to use the higher level value for the heals. I did some testing with Ragefire Gloves (worn firefist) and concluded it was probably using the minimum value of 5, since I got less ATK than AoB.

Wiki says +30 ATK for Swiftwind. That's where I got the number, but wiki could be wrong too for all I know.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Did a quick test with some overlap on items between Shamwowi and Bazgek:

1. Firefist (Worn) = +8 ATK on sheet
2. Grim Aura (Spell) = +13.x ATK on Sheet
3. Aura of Battle (Worn) = +13.x ATK on Sheet
4. Aura of Battle (Spell) = +13.x ATK on Sheet
5. Primal Avatar (Spell) = + 134 ATK on Sheet

It looks like the pattern is the actual ATK value is being multiplied by roughly 1.34 on the sheet. I say 13.x for some spells because wearing two AoB items gives +27 ATK total, so there is clearly a decimal present.

This means:

1. Firefist (Worn) = +6 ATK (Minimum level spell value)
2. Grim Aura (Spell) = +10 ATK ( Maximum level spell value)
3. AoB (Worn and Spell) = +10 ATK (No difference)
4. Primal Avatar (Spell) = +100 ATK

This matches the Wiki values. Swiftwind giving 50 ATK on sheet is a bit strange, as that implies the Swiftwind buff gives 37 ATK. That is a bit of a strange number. Are you getting exactly 50? Can you try equipping Swiftwind without any buffs on to see if you get a different value on your character sheet? Also make sure you have the same STR before and after you put on Swiftwind, or some of that ATK will come from STR as well.

If I had to guess, Swiftwind is giving +30 ATK as per the Wiki, and that extra 7 ATK comes from the extra STR Swiftwind is giving. Claw has +8 STR, and Swiftwind has +15 STR.

[Snaggles]

It’s a good theory but my strength was 255 after Focus with all the weapons used.
I remember it being less per the wiki but always found it a pleasant surprised being an exact 50. As if the client is displaying properly? Not sure.

I’ll check this and my AoB waist as well. For some reason I thought that displays like 14 but it’s been a while since I checked (and that could be the Str as well).

[Ripqozko]

ive tried to tell folks that spending that dkp on 1h is a waste for most part, grab a cek if ya wanna dps.

[Samoht]

It's pretty standard for Swiftwind to be permanently glued to secondary on a ranger. The attack buff makes it better than anything else.

Ranger DPS comes from white swings, and applying the 50 attack to every white swing is pretty huge.

Now you just need to find a matching main hand to go with it.

[kjs86z2]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ive tried to tell folks that spending that dkp on 1h is a waste for most part, grab a cek if ya wanna dps.

rips been showing his parses for years and theres still people worrying about 1 handers lol