Race/Class-penalties

Danien · #1 08-31-2011, 08:58 PM

Have there been any word on whether exp-penalties for races/classes will be implemented? I'm strongly arguing against it from a design-pov.

They never made any sense, the only argument that could be done for them is that some classes/races are imbalanced and therefore should require more time to level up, but that's just a dumb replacement for trying to attain classbalance.

A little over ten years later I hope we're all the more wiser having played this game and do not implement this feature which makes very little sense. I think we can all agree that for example rangers are in no way overpowered and deserving of a exp-penalty. Sure, some classes are stronger then others in various situations but I think it's pretty fair to say that they horribly misjudged who these classes and races are.

Overall exp-penalties were a mistake which never should have been implemented, probably a reminiscense of old roleplaying-games I don't know of.

Let's not make the same mistake again!

Yukahwa · #2 08-31-2011, 09:07 PM

Lol.

That is totally wrong. Trolls level faster because they have regen and are really strong, so they gave them an EXP penalty to even things out.

Ogres level faster because they have insta twink by having the best stats ever..so they level a LITTLE slower to even things out. Trolls level slower than ogres.

It totally makes sense and the number of ogres and trolls and iksars in game are evidence of the fact that it works great.

If you want to be RP about it you can say that it is because trolls and ogres are so stupid that they receive experience slower than other races.

XiakenjaTZ · #3 08-31-2011, 09:40 PM

They was supposed to be race and class penalties.

Funny thing is that they admitted they messed up in one respect. The humans were supposed to get faster leveling not halflings.

Yukahwa · #4 08-31-2011, 09:43 PM

I never saw that admitted just discussed on these forums. Where was it talked about?

Halflings get EXP bonus because they eat more food. ; )

XiakenjaTZ · #5 08-31-2011, 09:48 PM

Pretty sure it was in some thread on the live boards way back when. Probably around the time they were discussing leveling out the hell levels and they explained the math and how they were not intentional.

raptorak · #6 08-31-2011, 10:28 PM

Yes - humans were meant to get an exp bonus and it was one of their racial traits, a payoff for being so damn average. The thing I dislike most about p1999 is that they faithfully recreate the bugs of the original - humans were meant to have a 10% bonus.

Anyway, I can live with racial penalties, but they need to get rid of class penalties, 40% exp penalty for hybrids is stupid. Troll SK 68% exp bonus is totally retarded.

Danien · #7 09-01-2011, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Yukahwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol.

That is totally wrong. Trolls level faster because they have regen and are really strong, so they gave them an EXP penalty to even things out.

Ogres level faster because they have insta twink by having the best stats ever..so they level a LITTLE slower to even things out. Trolls level slower than ogres.

It totally makes sense and the number of ogres and trolls and iksars in game are evidence of the fact that it works great.

If you want to be RP about it you can say that it is because trolls and ogres are so stupid that they receive experience slower than other races.

Sure, Trolls and Ogres have much better stats. Those stand out and are a little too strong imo, but there are plenty of other examples of things that stand out;

Clerics are the undisputed kings of healing, no class comes close to it. This should by your logic yield a penalty?

Erudites are better int-casters then other races etc.

I guess what really bothers me are the hybrid penalties. The are completely unreasonable and should never have been implemented.

Lasher · #8 09-01-2011, 01:06 AM

yeah the hybrids penalty does not match up with any supposed bonus they are getting. I think its just a flawed D&D concept that got carried over to EQ when it was first made.

I would actually consider the bonus a race such as ogre,troll and iksar get to be more benefical then being a hybrid. A warrior/druid hybrid sounds good in pen and paper but more times than not will get shit on by most melee unless you are in south karana with bag full of arrows

Tombom · #9 09-01-2011, 01:10 AM

I'd vote for removing hybrid penalties, racials should stay the same imo. But yeah my dwarf paladin would be very pleased with no hybrid penalty.

tufflax · #10 09-01-2011, 01:31 AM

I agree with the original post. Ideally the classes and races should be balanced so that no exp penalties or bonuses are needed. And if they are not, exp penalties are a really stupid way to solve the problem. I understand that P99 aims to provide a classic experience, and that's fine. But I think that in a competitive environment such as a PvP server, we should try to balance things out, even if it's at the expense of the classic experience.

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Originally Posted by Yukahwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol.

That is totally wrong. Trolls level faster because they have regen and are really strong, so they gave them an EXP penalty to even things out.

Ogres level faster because they have insta twink by having the best stats ever..so they level a LITTLE slower to even things out. Trolls level slower than ogres.

It totally makes sense and the number of ogres and trolls and iksars in game are evidence of the fact that it works great.

If you want to be RP about it you can say that it is because trolls and ogres are so stupid that they receive experience slower than other races.

Yeah, totally. Everybody knows Troll SKs level 53% faster that Magicians, and 77% faster than Halfling Druids. They must be penalized accordingly.