Is monk vs warrior dps really classic right now?

[Splorf22]

So I met a TMO monk in the Dreadlands today and since we both had Fungi tunics we put aside our differences and duoed a bit. What I don't understand is how the hell monks do so much more damage than warriors.

Imgunna [47 Iksar Monk with Peacebringer, Sash of the Dragonborn]
--- DMG: 29355 (66.05%) @ 36 dps (35 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 5741 @7dps

Sakuragi [49 Iksar Warrior with Sarnak Warhammer/Sword of Skyfire + Wurmslayer or Staff of Battle, FBSS]
--- DMG: 15091 (33.95%) @ 18 dps (18 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 6321 @8dps

This isn't a group where I was tanking either and thus constantly in the front while he whacked it from behind; we were pretty much trading hits to maximize the effect of our fungi tunics - you can see we took about the same total damage, although I took damage faster cause, you know, warriors are better at tanking.

Now I know that I have an Iksar warrior and he's a little weak because of this, and I'm not showing any links for evidence, but I find it really hard to believe monks are supposed to be doing twice the dps of warriors in classic EQ. For example, EQDPM calculator suggests that at 49 with Sarnak Warhammer/Silken Whip of Ensnaring (worse weapons than I was using but it won't let me put wurmslayer in the offhand) I should be doing ~24 dps while my monk friend should be doing ~30 dps . . which would be a significant edge to the monk but overall surprisingly reasonable.

[Dravingar]

What is the warriors haste item?

[SyanideGas]

Originally Posted by Dravingar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is the warriors haste item?

Flowing Black Silk Sash

[isoka]

were you stunned a lot ?
I also guess the war was hitting from front and the monk from the back.

[Motec]

Ok so you're level 50, your duel wield and double attack skill is f*ck all.

Combined your weapon ratio is .9 or so. The monk is .93.

Formulas
(LVL+Skill)/600 dual wield 200
(LVL+Skill)/500 double attack 205

So at 49, your warrior dual wield is 41.5%
His double attack rate is 50.8%

So immediately your offhand ratio is .22, mainhand .45. So .67 combined ratio compared to the monk's .93 (im talking roughly here, not going into decimal and shit). So automatically the monk is doing 38% more damage than you.

I cant be f*cked typing actually...But suffice to say, your weapons suck arse, his are far better, and you're duel wielding at a level that dual wield provides f*ck all damage increase. His dps does not rely on his offhand and shit double attack/dual wield rates and the stars aligning.

Fact of the matter is, buy a 31/37 staff of battle for cheap, and thats as good as you're going to get if you want to dps. Otherwise you'll always be well behind monks.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Motec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok so you're level 50, your duel wield and double attack skill is f*ck all.

Combined your weapon ratio is .9 or so. The monk is .93.

Formulas
(LVL+Skill)/600 dual wield 200
(LVL+Skill)/500 double attack 205

So at 49, your warrior dual wield is 41.5%
His double attack rate is 50.8%

So immediately your offhand ratio is .22, mainhand .45. So .67 combined ratio compared to the monk's .93 (im talking roughly here, not going into decimal and shit). So automatically the monk is doing 38% more damage than you.

I cant be f*cked typing actually...But suffice to say, your weapons suck arse, his are far better, and you're duel wielding at a level that dual wield provides f*ck all damage increase. His dps does not rely on his offhand and shit double attack/dual wield rates and the stars aligning.

Fact of the matter is, buy a 31/37 staff of battle for cheap, and thats as good as you're going to get if you want to dps. Otherwise you'll always be well behind monks.

Total
--- DMG: 2582 (100%) @ 76 dps (76 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 315 @10dps

Imgunna
--- DMG: 1988 (76.99%) @ 58 dps (58 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 315 @10dps

Sakuragi
--- DMG: 594 (23.01%) @ 26 dps (17 sdps)

Here is me using Staff of Battle (on the spiders to avoid the damage shield). As you can see I still do precisely 50% of his damage. I know this is one fight which is highly variable, but just believe me when I say I've parsed Staff of Battle and while it may or may not be marginally better than its not hugely better. In fact I went back to the parsing today and his average 36 dps in the Dreadlands is beating out the Epic rogue I was grouped with in Sol B (mobs are higher level, but still).

Look before I made this toon I saw a post about how one of our Iksar monks takes less DPS than a shadowknight and ends up about equal for tanking with him only if the cleric is CH'ing because the SK has more HP. I knew that monks do more damage than warriors as well, as they are designed as a dps class. I just thought I'd do something a little different. But again, I just don't see how a damage difference of 100% can possibly be classic.

For example, see Treats' post on AC: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=48312 - current monk tanking at 50 is about 10% better than warriors which matches my experience very well, so its perfectly classic. But not that after the patch monks take only 10% worse than warriors, with the implication that they probably do 10-30% or something more damage, not 100% more.

[fischsemmel]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just don't see how a damage difference of 100% can possibly be classic.

If your argument is "in p99 monks do more damage relative to warriors than they did in classic," you should probably stop just showing that they do more damage than warriors on p99 and start pointing to old sources that support your argument.

[fischsemmel]

Not sure if I should be happy or sad that my 46 bard can chant for 25 dps. Heh.

[Treats]

Different classes use different formulas for Dual Wield and Double Attack.

Monk

Dual Wield% = (Level + Dual Wield Skill) / 400
Double Attack% = (Level + Double Attack Skill) / 500

Warrior

Dual Wield% = (Level + Dual Wield Skill) / 500
Double Attack% = (Level + Double Attack Skill) / 600

[Splorf22]

So at 50 I should double attack 250/600 = 42% of the time, while my monk buddy would get 50% double attacks. 1.5/1.42 = +5.8% damage.

Look, just to be clear, I'm not saying warriors are supposed to be outdpsing monks. I'm just saying there is just no way monks are supposed to be doing TWICE warrior damage in classic.