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03-30-2015, 07:07 AM
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Troll. This is from a guy who has owned a level 60 barb, ogre and troll shaman here on P99.
From my post a year ago: I guess it depends on the player. As a 60 ogre shaman I've only had frontal stun immunity put to use a very small handful of times. I personally value regen higher, because the regen is ALWAYS in effect. During the course of your ogre's playtime, the frontal stun immunity is being put to use about 0.01% of your playtime. Even while playing on the Red server did I rarely see my frontal stun immunity put to use (one time I got a gate off vs 3 players because of it, wow lol). Remember, a troll won the Best of the Best here. Don't under estimate regen. | ||
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03-30-2015, 07:26 AM
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03-30-2015, 07:40 AM
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Stun immunity is just so good that you'd be foolish to pick anything other than Ogre if you're min/maxing. When the shit hits the fan or you're breaking a camp, stun immunity saves you so many more hp than 1 hp/tick (up to 50) or 4-7 hp/tick (51-59) ever will.
You should min/max for difficult situations, not easy ones. Sure, if you're sitting back buffing people and having an easy time, that extra 70ish hp per minute will be a slight advantage but these aren't the situations to min/max for. Ogre all the way unless you really can't handle the character models.
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03-30-2015, 11:00 AM
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Everyone says ogre all the way as if the entire play experience can be boiled down to a few moments where you're tanking some hits.
Regen is so incredibly huge when you factor in time and the fact that it is always in effect. Canni effectively makes it permanent breeze that stacks with clarity and all your other available mana regen. Over the course of any moderately leveled character the one with regen will have healed millions and millions of HP for free that you didn't have. With Canni how many more spells will have been able to cast over the same play time? You don't think one of those hundreds of thousands of HPs or one of those single spells will save me or my friends as much as not getting stunned in one situation where shit is already hitting the fan? | ||
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03-30-2015, 11:16 AM
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While I understand the benefits of both FSI and racial regen, I think this thread fails to address the fact that anything other than barbarian will suffer irreparable damage to their self esteem due the likely housands of hours spent ugly ^^
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03-30-2015, 12:22 PM
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Well, my two cents...
I'm an ogre and I went ALL AC. I use Totemic/JB/Targishin's Bone Mask etc. Key items I bought: FBSS, JBB, Granite Face Grinder, of course buy a Fungi Tunic if you can. Even though my wisdom isn't great, I can still solo meleeing at lvl 50. Buff yourself and your pet up, chloro, haste, stats, and talisman. Slow the mob, don't even bother dotting. Melee to death. If you run low on HP, root it and rub your JBB. Alternatively, spam rub your JBB in melee range, when you are between casts you'll hit for 120. In this case, ditch the FBSS and get a belt with more AC on it because you'll only be swinging your hammer every 8 seconds. Another idea I've toyed around with is rerolling a Barbarian, using the same tactics and equipping a Barbarian Spiritist's Hammer for the proc. In this case rubbing your JBB and relying on the exact same proc from your hammer. | ||
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03-30-2015, 12:29 PM
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When you are level 60 with Torpor, and you want to solo something beefy (like say some Velious content), regen barely helps, but front stun immunity does. Since "level 60 with Torpor soloing baddass stuff" is the pinnacle of many Shaman's aspirations, Ogre is popular because at that very end stage the Ogre racial is useful and the Troll/Iksar racial isn't. It has nothing to do with which one can be used more often, and everything to do with having the most useful ability at the "pinnacle" moments. Now, personally I don't buy that argument (as evidenced by my polar bear hat), but I'm just saying, you can't dismiss Ogre as being about "a few moments" because there's a huge difference between the easy fight against a blue when you are leveling and the insanely hard fight that you do at the very end of your career.
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03-30-2015, 12:29 PM
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You shouldn't be min/maxing for the easy stuff where regen helps, you should min/max for the tough stuff like breaking a camp solo or when your group suddenly gets a ton of adds. This is when bash immunity will save you and your group.
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