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[JurisDictum]

I've never been a Trump supporter, but I can't help that think he has a point on Russia. We don't need to get in a pissing contest with Russia. We have plenty of enemies in this world without going out of our way to create new ones. Ever sense we started fucking with Putin by spreading NATO to his door step it has been all bad news. And it is not "Russian Propaganda" to point out that we instigated this whole thing.

Obviously we need to deal with Russian hacks, just like we deal with them from China and domestic criminals. Is there anyone in the god damn country that is arguing otherwise? What does that have to do with "punishing Russia"?

We need more allies on the war on terror, and we need to deescalate the situation with Russia. Let's not pretend that the intelligence community doesn't have their own political agenda -- namely keeping things exactly how they are in a time when most people want change. They have used this whole situation to snipe down any media they dislike -- both right and left.

Most of the stuff the intelligence report talks about is "propaganda." Unfortunately for them, more and more Americans are seeing that there are actually more facts in this propaganda than in the BS line by the MSM half the time.

I'm still not a huge fan of Trump or any of this libertarian free market BS. No, simply getting rid of the government will not make things better or more equal. But just because we have disagreements with the right on this, doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to work together to take out the remnants of the neo-con bullshit in both parties.

Edit: is it realistic to expect a great power not to try to encourage a country to elect leaders they will get along with? Who is willing to have a nuclear war over that?

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Nilstoniakrath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the MSM distorts the news every day to support libs

but if Russia makes public emails that should have been in the public domain to begin with, it is somehow an 'outrage?"

STFU

The MSM supports the status quo. Which is right-wing economics with left-wing social issues. This keeps us divided and them absurdly rich. And it not just the "liberal networks" that are MSM.

Fox news is MSM.

Breitbart has now become MSM (evidenced by how many people have left when Trump became president, and what they have been saying).

Alex Jones isn't MSM, its just crazy.

[Kepp]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alex Jones isn't MSM, its just crazy.

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who is willing to have a nuclear war over that?

anti war democrats that support things like food not bombs.

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm still not a huge fan of Trump or any of this libertarian free market BS. No, simply getting rid of the government will not make things better or more equal.

One dif liberals have than libertarians is, liberals think when jesus said, "we must take care of the meek" that meant, anyone who was too weak to help themselves, anyone who needed or wanted to be carried instead of being able to make their own way, deserve to be pickedup, and carried to the promise land.

While what libertarians believe it as, the fucking farmers, the hard working poor people who live under the oppresive roman empire.

So liberals tend to just dump money on people that honestly, might not deserve it.

Also liberals like to make up "worst case" scenarios to describe what might happen if we let the free market take care of everything.

Scenarios where like, some innocent person who could have a great life but comes from a poor family who has no hope at providing a future for them and they would potentially get help from the liberal hive mind, but in the free market, theyre doomed to failure!

Which is all just a bunch of hooey.

Life is hard, its tough and you gotta learn to work or get off the pot. Libertarians are sick of all the wasted time, energy, money, nonsense, that the left spends every wakeing minuet worrying about, while browsing the internet from their democratic cities, that tend to have the WORST wage gaps in any area of the country.

This is how it works, people suck, so stop worrying about them. Fix yourself and stay out of other peoples lives.

And hey, abortion is a stupid reason to run your country into the fucking ground. Which is basically the ONE issue weve elected people on both sides over for the last 40 years.

[mickmoranis]

also women get payed less cus they are stupid.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also women get payed less cus they are stupid.

lol

[maskedmelon]

The greatest service one might offer unto his fellow man is to hasten their collective demise. End the absurdity, give life meaning again, let man know suffering and in it find himself. For without the constant pain of loss and threat of his own end, surely he will dwell on the misery of his own satisfaction.

#wipeitclean

[mickmoranis]

Absolutly.

Liberals have dreams about what the world could be, but conservitives just live in the real world.

Its why conservitive policy happens, and you have 8 years of obama wondering "how do I get things to pass?!"

He couldn't get anything done, not because there were too many republicans in the senate, its because liberals are in the fucking clouds like most teenagers and dont even know what local elections are. Theyre totally oblivious to the reality that surrounds them.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One dif liberals have than libertarians is, liberals think when jesus said, "we must take care of the meek" that meant, anyone who was too weak to help themselves, anyone who needed or wanted to be carried instead of being able to make their own way, deserve to be pickedup, and carried to the promise land.

While what libertarians believe it as, the fucking farmers, the hard working poor people who live under the oppresive roman empire.

So liberals tend to just dump money on people that honestly, might not deserve it.

Also liberals like to make up "worst case" scenarios to describe what might happen if we let the free market take care of everything.

Scenarios where like, some innocent person who could have a great life but comes from a poor family who has no hope at providing a future for them and they would potentially get help from the liberal hive mind, but in the free market, theyre doomed to failure!

Which is all just a bunch of hooey.

Life is hard, its tough and you gotta learn to work or get off the pot. Libertarians are sick of all the wasted time, energy, money, nonsense, that the left spends every wakeing minuet worrying about, while browsing the internet from their democratic cities, that tend to have the WORST wage gaps in any area of the country.

This is how it works, people suck, so stop worrying about them. Fix yourself and stay out of other peoples lives.

And hey, abortion is a stupid reason to run your country into the fucking ground. Which is basically the ONE issue weve elected people on both sides over for the last 40 years.

There is no bigger waste of money than pouring billions of dollars into a few lucky individuals who will probably just funnel it outside of the country. Libertarians are all for this as far as I can tell. I say this because they offer nothing to stop this from happening and seem to think its a great thing to have billionaires.

This is ironic given how many billionaires are Democrats. I always hear the painfully false statement "they're no rich Democrats." News flash, the percentage of Democrats isn't much lower than the percentage of Republicans among the rich. Both of these groups constantly use their wealth to lobby the government for special treatment -- but that's only because they have to. If they didn't, they would just proceed to take all the land, resources, and knowledge databases. Next step would be to turn us all into subsistence workers. And that would go on until we chopped their heads off in town square.

If this bullshit John Locke libertarian thing worked, we would have never stopped doing it in the first place. It doesn't work because people take what the can until you use force to stop them. The only reason we aren't violent like that is because we are socialized not to be (via government force).

When talking to libertarians, it seems like they have no understanding how governments got started in the first place. They seem to have no understanding of how governments change people in a way that makes them more cooperative than they were in the fucking cave days. Maybe its because they think their is something "natural" about driving their truck into town and getting supplies for their property...the ability for you to do that was built. It was not something you could develop on a island alone.

Property = government protects an area they say belongs to you. Otherwise, you better have a hell of a defense for the inevitable raiders that will kill you and take all your shit and land.

None of this is natural or "god given." It is developed and maintained by artificial systems put in place by a humans. Humans are a species that demand fairness, and the elite can't hide from that forever.

But they seem to got you right-wing types very dialed in for now. Can you believe there is a poor truck driver somewhere right now sending some of his meager check to a corporate stooge like Paul Ryan? Hilarious.