Raiding the Planes

[Artaenc]

This is not an official raid discussion item but I wanted to ask the community what the consensus on this is. If you see 4 people in a guild clearing the planes for many hours to a point where they would start killing respawns 8 hours later are other guilds obligated to stay out?

I don't want to say which guild because I don't want to cause drama or this to end up in RnF. I basically want to know what's politically correct here. If this is cool to do then I can technically hold Hate and Fear up 24x7 (not that I would want to) by having guild mates clearing both the zones and having people take over when people need to sleep.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Artaenc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If this is cool to do then I can technically hold Hate and Fear up 24x7 (not that I would want to) by having guild mates clearing both the zones and having people take over when people need to sleep.

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[Jaxon]

These are my impressions of how I've seen these situations handled and my thoughts on how I think they should be handled.

The larger force would probably scout the zone a little to see if it's even worth bringing their raid force in. My guess is that if less than 1/3 of the zone is spawned they would find something else to do.

I think a presence of 2 to 3 groups already in the plane -- a force capable of clearing the zone in a timely manner -- would also convince most decent guilds to find another raid target. If it's only a group or less up there, then the two forces would typically start discussing their goals, objectives and capabilities so that they can work out a plan to share the zone without stepping on each others toes.

Rotting loot would generally be offered to each other via OOC or shout, as would assistance with CR and porting.

If the smaller force refuses to be reasonable about sharing the zone, then the larger force is likely to go up anyway. They may not be particularly helpful and they may be aggressive about taking choice mobs, but I don't believe that they would deliberately train or ks the smaller force.

If a group was literally going from spawn point to spawn point, killing everything as soon as it popped in an otherwise empty zone, then the larger force would probably find something better to do. Waiting for mobs to pop is boring as hell.

So in regards to your poll I would say that such behavior would be both "Acceptable" and "Crazy" at the same time.

[Kergan]

On red we can just kill them, so much easier.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On red we can just kill them, so much easier.

If there actually was anyone to kill, sure.

[Nocsucow]

well i know we try to raid hate we pop up there and people is anon so instead of just pulling from different location we leave.... fear. we just get it when we can .. its not like any gear is rotting with us doing it with 3 or 4 people ... nobody asked you to leave the zone bud

[Artaenc]

Originally Posted by Nocsucow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well i know we try to raid hate we pop up there and people is anon so instead of just pulling from different location we leave.... fear. we just get it when we can .. its not like any gear is rotting with us doing it with 3 or 4 people ... nobody asked you to leave the zone bud

I really didn't want to mention your guild name because this is not about your guild. It's about what the server thinks about this situation because it is going to come up often if it hasn't already.

An officer in your guild told me that we should leave and everyone was ok with that.

[joppykid]

Originally Posted by Artaenc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An officer in your guild told me that we should leave and everyone was ok with that.

You asked if you should leave, I said that it probably would be a waste of time for you since we already killed a good amount of the mobs. I then said we didn't need wizard or necro mobs. I never once said you must leave. You asked, I did not once demand you leave.

We clear fear with 4-6 people in less than 4 hours. Normally, like Nocsucow said we catch it in a middle of a repop, still takes no more than 4 hours. We don't have gear rot so I don't know what the difference is of how many people you have. Just because you have more people you have more of a right to the zone than us? We can clear it just fine with the number we have. We are not there 24 hours lol, not sure why people think we are sitting there killing shit until it just starts repopping again. We have been there like 4-5 times in the last 2 weeks for no more than 4 hours.

Technically, it is a free for all zone. It is common courtesy if you see a group in there to come back a different time. It's getting old though people saying they checked the zone and no one was there. It's normal to /role when you go into a plane. When we check fear we will zone in and if someone is there we will leave.

I went in the other day with zero people in the zone when I had a repop timer and a group of FE came in and started clearing. I was planning on bringing our full raid force which is currently about 15-20 people. They had a group in zone so I called the raid because it would have been a waste of time and they were in there killing before us with a group of 5.

Once again, I never told you to leave. While it was appreciated, it was not demanded. We wouldn't have had any issue with you taking the necro and wizards mobs. That was about 50% of the class mobs that were still currently up at that time.

[Artaenc]

Originally Posted by joppykid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You asked if you should leave, I said that it probably would be a waste of time for you since we already killed a good amount of the mobs. I then said we didn't need wizard or necro mobs. I never once said you must leave. You asked, I did not once demand you leave.

We clear fear with 4-6 people in less than 4 hours. Normally, like Nocsucow said we catch it in a middle of a repop, still takes no more than 4 hours. We don't have gear rot so I don't know what the difference is of how many people you have. Just because you have more people you have more of a right to the zone than us? We can clear it just fine with the number we have. We are not there 24 hours lol, not sure why people think we are sitting there killing shit until it just starts repopping again. We have been there like 4-5 times in the last 2 weeks for no more than 4 hours.

Technically, it is a free for all zone. It is common courtesy if you see a group in there to come back a different time. It's getting old though people saying they checked the zone and no one was there. It's normal to /role when you go into a plane. When we check fear we will zone in and if someone is there we will leave.

I went in the other day with zero people in the zone when I had a repop timer and a group of FE came in and started clearing. I was planning on bringing our full raid force which is currently about 15-20 people. They had a group in zone so I called the raid because it would have been a waste of time and they were in there killing before us with a group of 5.

Once again, I never told you to leave. While it was appreciated, it was not demanded. We wouldn't have had any issue with you taking the necro and wizards mobs. That was about 50% of the class mobs that were still currently up at that time.

I know you never told us to leave directly (thank you) but I felt it was disrespectful if we didn't. I actually failed to check the zone if there was players in there before I brought my raid there. I went in, tracked with the ranger and saw a ton of stuff up but unfortunately I failed to have track players on or did a who. My bad.

[HalflingWarrior]

Originally Posted by Nocsucow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well i know we try to raid hate we pop up there and people is anon so instead of just pulling from different location we leave.... fear. we just get it when we can .. its not like any gear is rotting with us doing it with 3 or 4 people ... nobody asked you to leave the zone bud

What do u mean by this? That youre banking full suits of planar for every class just for bragging rights?

3-4 ppl whove been lvl 60 farming trak for 3 years certainly need them planars!!!!