Official Donald TRUMP debunking thread

[James_Joyce]

As we are all aware, Lord TRUMP has survived the latest manufactured stumpening attempt on his candidacy, the infamous remarks on people celebrating 9/11, unscathed and indeed 100% vindicated (plus said attempt caused millions to Google the 9/11 dancing Mossad involved in the plot, to whom he was obliquely referring). He's a narrative-crafting wizard like we haven't seen since Rove, blowing his summoned black mist into the media smoke and mirrors machine and forcing it to shit out facts contrary to the narrative.

So far the only truly damaging quote of which I am aware is about his father granting him a "small one million dollar loan". I scarcely even hear this one repeated, even though it's the best they have, as the establishment idiots are trying to come up with something that's a bit more damning than this molehill.

This thread is for posting hatred and vitriol for Donald TRUMP and making an attempt at damaging his credibility. We're all well aware that every candidate on both sides but TRUMP is a clown on a short leash that doesn't mind getting pozzed by a train of valuable Black lives or marrying wealthy trolls of strategically-chosen ethnicity if it means their name gets put on a list that starts with George Washington, even if they never wield a modicum of the personal sovereignty of our early, independent presidents.

This thread is for proving that Lord TRUMP, a man of considerable cunning and outward confidence, and a campaign approach that demonstrates special-interest strongarming will not stump him easily, is inferior to these frightened truckstop prostitutes who have to read crib notes to get through their debates and let shrieking black harpies take over their campaign events out of sheer terror of the PC gestapo. Hit me and let's keep this unbiased and earnest. I'm ready to learn, but pic of my bed related demonstrates where I'm coming from here so hit me hard.

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[iruinedyourday]

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[Lune]

Trump stumped. I'd vote for him over any other repub candidate though, if I weren't voting for Bernie Fucking Sanders. Or Bill Clinton and his banshee wife when Bernie loses the primary.

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's no doubt he's at least moderately intelligent, but nothing special. If you look at the performance of his enterprises, and weigh it with the opportunities he had being born into enormous wealth, he's a very mediocre businessman at best. Honestly I'd be embarrassed to be Trump and campaign on the strength of my business acumen when I know deep down I'm a trust fund baby and there are people like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Larry Page out there with actual skill and vision.

He is dishonest. I can only guess how many illegal immigrants he has employed cleaning his hotels. He's not serious about fixing immigration. Build a wall? You can tell when someone isn't serious about fixing immigration when they propose something like that. A wall is powerful imagery, but it's ultimately extremely ineffective. Great Britain has the English fucking Channel and how well does that work for them? A wall also does nothing for the tens of millions that are already here, and trust me, Trump is not going to deport millions of people. States wouldn't cooperate, Congress wouldn't cooperate, and he has no realistic plan to fund such a massive operation. If you want to stop immigration, you have to target the employers that hire them. They don't come here for freedom, they come here for economic reasons, and if that impetus isn't there, they don't come. We saw that when immigration fell off a cliff during the great recession, and we see that as hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees bypass the Balkan states, Spain, and Italy, to get to the thriving socialist Nordic states.

But guess what? The employers are, by and large, the people who control the politicians, and they have a vested economic interest in retaining immigrant labor and the resulting wage depression. So the same thing will happen that has been happening for decades; politicians will make a lot of rhetoric about immigration, but they won't do anything that is actually effective, because their corporate owners don't want them to... even though real, substantive immigration reform has bipartisan support among your typical middle class white.

I still believe Trump was only running for this election to further his personal brand, as he did in the last election, and he was surprised by his success, which stemmed from the entire Republican field being extremely weak, without a single good candidate, and from wide bipartisan support for tough immigration rhetoric.

I agree with some of his rhetoric, but that's all it is... rhetoric. What you have left is a deeply toxic and negative person, which are qualities unfit for presidency.

[Stasis01]

You still haven't explained why a wall wouldn't work, once a person is deported and flagged not to be allowed in by plane what is their move unless crossing an unprotected border?

[Stasis01]

Also why can't you deport illegal immigrants, that came illegally.

I don't understand who would agree with illegal immigration?

[Stasis01]

And I'm off to bed.

I will add one more post before I go.

I know how Trump will deport 11 million illegal immigrants.

Juan by Juan.

[wts]

Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand who would agree with illegal immigration?

Do you have HBO? If so, watch the sweet home alabama episode of VICE and report back:

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/in...sweet_hom.html

Alabama successfully removed virtually all of its illegal immigrants. The farming industry suffered so much loss as a result that they're now letting illegal immigrants back in.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You still haven't explained why a wall wouldn't work, once a person is deported and flagged not to be allowed in by plane what is their move unless crossing an unprotected border?

1. If they want to cross, and can't cross the wall, they will take a boat or find another route around the wall.

2. Trump only wants to build a wall along a small part of the border, claiming that the Rio Grande and barren desert are a natural wall for the rest of the expanse. (This is laughable)

3. The Mediterranean sea / English Channel / Aegean sea do not work for Spain/Italy / England / Greece. If the oligarchs who own the politicians aren't getting their cheap labor fix, they will find a way to import immigrants. Examine what happened with the English and Polish guest workers, etc.

4. Even Palestinians are able to physically get into Israel, arguably the most walled-off, secure sanctuary state in the world. Except the Israelis are racist sociopathic fucks and a Palestinian immigrant isn't going to find a better life there.

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Alabama successfully removed virtually all of its illegal immigrants. The farming industry suffered so much loss as a result that they're now letting illegal immigrants back in.

If your business model relies on illegal slave-like labor, you should not be in business.

[Stasis01]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. If they want to cross, and can't cross the wall, they will take a boat or find another route around the wall.

2. Trump only wants to build a wall along a small part of the border, claiming that the Rio Grande and barren desert are a natural wall for the rest of the expanse.

3. The Mediterranean sea / English Channel / Aegean sea do not work for Spain/Italy / England / Greece. If the oligarchs who own the politicians aren't getting their cheap labor fix, they will find a way to import immigrants. Examine what happened with the English and Polish guest workers, etc.

4. Even Palestinians are able to physically get into Israel, arguably the most walled-off, secure sanctuary state in the world. Except the Israelis are racist sociopathic fucks and a Palestinian immigrant isn't going to find a better life there.



If your business model relies on illegal slave-like labor, you should not be in business.

My Condom can break so I might as well just not wear one fuck it.

Literally makes no sense, I don't think anyone is saying it would be 100%, but saying that everyone can go catch boats that will make it into the US as easily is ridiculous.

And if the precedent is set that when you're caught you're booted the fuck out, it's quite a different picture painted to people catching that boat.

That is not being heartless, that's the way it should be.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My Condom can break so I might as well just not wear one fuck it.

Literally makes no sense, I don't think anyone is saying it would be 100%, but saying that everyone can go catch boats that will make it into the US as easily is ridiculous.

And if the precedent is set that when you're caught you're booted the fuck out, it's quite a different picture painted to people catching that boat.

That is not being heartless, that's the way it should be.

I'm not pro-immigration, I'm simply explaining why Trump's rhetoric is only rhetoric, and his "solution" is a bad/unrealistic one.

It's not about being 100% effective or not, as it is a good solution versus a bad solution. Walls do not fix the problem, they have been tried all over the world, and a wall does nothing to disenfranchise those who are already here or deter them from returning.

Reforming employment so companies can't hire illegals is 100x cheaper than a wall and 100x more effective. Analysts have known for decades that if we wanted to actually make an attempt to solve this issue, that is where we would start.