Enchanter Charm/Cha Tests

[Splorf22]

tests:

Loraen, L60/255 cha, L53 Ilis w/tash x10: average 118 seconds
Loraen, L60/226 cha, L53 Ilis w/tash x5: average 93 seconds
Loraen, L60/226 cha, L53 Ilis shaman w/tash x 11, average 75 seconds
Loraen, L60/200 cha, L53 Ilis w/tash x10: average 139 seconds (1 outlier, without 109 seconds)
Phinger, L60/217 cha, L46 skelly w/tash x13: average 415 seconds

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So I have been meaning to do this test for a while (255 vs 200 cha) and finally decided to stop procrastinating. I jewelcrafted up some charisma gear (platinum/electrum star ruby stuff) and swapped in my Crude Stein instead of the Insignia Protector which enabled me to get 255 cha at the cost of about 150hp/30AC. I charmed and dispelled Gruplinort's PH until it broke charm and killed me (weaponized/hasted ilis wizards are no joke). Then I charmed the commander PH until it broke charm while I was clearing NG and killed me also. The biggest problem charming these guys wasn't the charm duration per se (I was quite surprised I could charm them for 2+ minutes at a time) it was their chain resisting stuns and mezzes. So I don't recommend charming L53 stuff, despite the fantastic dps. The raw data:

255 CHA: 0-1 minutes: 3, 1-2 minutes: 3, 2-3 minutes: 2, 3-4 minutes: 3, average: 1:58 (118 seconds)

199 CHA :0-1 minutes: 4, 1-2 minutes: 2, 2-3 minutes: 1, 3-4 minutes: 3
5+ minutes: 1, Average: 2:19 (139 seconds), Average w/out the outlier: 1:49 (109 seconds)

Now I have done experiments before (basically parsed my long huge log of charms). From what I can tell, the algorithm works something like this:

int split = magic(Level, MR, CHA)
if(rand() < ~0.9)
duration = rand(0, split)
else
duration = rand(split, 15)

So with the 199 cha I was lucky enough to get 1 super charm which I did not get with the 255 cha case.

I am going to go out on a limb and guess that charm durations are linearly proportional to charisma and that charisma is softcapped at 200 like the other stats and gives a 50% return, so 255 cha is equivalent to 227.5. That should give about a +10% duration which matches nicely with experiments. But overall I would say we need more data. I'd love to see a few more people post data.

Still, on the whole I'd rather have 10% longer charm durations than 10% more HP, so I guess I'm going to have to regear a little. Stupid int/gnome builds with 75 base CHA.

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255

[Thu Dec 27 16:44:29 2012] You begin casting Boltran`s Agacerie. 1:11 71
[Thu Dec 27 16:45:38 2012] Your Boltran`s Agacerie spell has worn off.
[Thu Dec 27 16:45:54 2012] You begin casting Boltran`s Agacerie. 3:38 218
[Thu Dec 27 16:49:32 2012] Your Boltran`s Agacerie spell has worn off.
[Thu Dec 27 16:49:58 2012] You begin casting Boltran`s Agacerie. 1:16 76
[Thu Dec 27 16:51:14 2012] Your Boltran`s Agacerie spell has worn off.
[Thu Dec 27 16:51:37 2012] You begin casting Boltran`s Agacerie. 2:02 122
[Thu Dec 27 16:53:39 2012] Your Boltran`s Agacerie spell has worn off.
[Thu Dec 27 16:54:07 2012] You begin casting Boltran`s Agacerie. 3:50 230
[Thu Dec 27 16:57:57 2012] Your Boltran`s Agacerie spell has worn off.
[Thu Dec 27 16:58:31 2012] You begin casting Boltran`s Agacerie. 0:57 57
[Thu Dec 27 16:59:28 2012] Your Boltran`s Agacerie spell has worn off.
[Thu Dec 27 16:59:40 2012] You begin casting Boltran`s Agacerie. 0:36 36
[Thu Dec 27 17:00:16 2012] Your Boltran`s Agacerie spell has worn off.
[Thu Dec 27 17:01:58 2012] You begin casting Boltran`s Agacerie. 1:42 102
[Thu Dec 27 17:02:04 2012] Your Boltran`s Agacerie spell has worn off.
[Thu Dec 27 17:02:06 2012] You begin casting Boltran`s Agacerie. 2:59 179
[Thu Dec 27 17:05:05 2012] Your Boltran`s Agacerie spell has worn off.
[Thu Dec 27 17:05:30 2012] You begin casting Boltran`s Agacerie. 0:25 25
[Thu Dec 27 17:08:53 2012] Your Boltran`s Agacerie spell has worn off.
[Thu Dec 27 17:09:04 2012] You begin casting Boltran`s Agacerie. 3:08 188
[Thu Dec 27 17:12:12 2012] Your Boltran`s Agacerie spell has worn off.

199

[Thu Dec 27 17:12:26 2012] You begin casting Boltran`s Agacerie. 2:46 166
[Thu Dec 27 17:15:12 2012] Your Boltran`s Agacerie spell has worn off.
[Thu Dec 27 17:47:34 2012] You begin casting Boltran`s Agacerie. 1:22 82
[Thu Dec 27 17:48:56 2012] Your Boltran`s Agacerie spell has worn off.
[Thu Dec 27 17:49:30 2012] You begin casting Boltran`s Agacerie. 0:34 34
[Thu Dec 27 17:51:38 2012] Your Boltran`s Agacerie spell has worn off.
[Thu Dec 27 17:52:02 2012] You begin casting Boltran`s Agacerie. 1:18 78
[Thu Dec 27 17:53:20 2012] Your Boltran`s Agacerie spell has worn off.
[Thu Dec 27 17:53:37 2012] You begin casting Boltran`s Agacerie. 0:07 7
[Thu Dec 27 17:53:44 2012] Your Boltran`s Agacerie spell has worn off.
[Thu Dec 27 17:54:12 2012] You begin casting Boltran`s Agacerie. 0:33 33
[Thu Dec 27 17:54:45 2012] Your Boltran`s Agacerie spell has worn off.
[Thu Dec 27 17:54:58 2012] You begin casting Boltran`s Agacerie. 0:11 11
[Thu Dec 27 17:55:09 2012] Your Boltran`s Agacerie spell has worn off.
[Thu Dec 27 17:55:29 2012] You begin casting Boltran`s Agacerie. 7:11 431
[Thu Dec 27 18:02:40 2012] Your Boltran`s Agacerie spell has worn off.
[Thu Dec 27 18:03:01 2012] You begin casting Boltran`s Agacerie. 3:39 219
[Thu Dec 27 18:06:40 2012] Your Boltran`s Agacerie spell has worn off.
[Thu Dec 27 18:07:23 2012] You begin casting Boltran`s Agacerie. 3:48 228
[Thu Dec 27 18:11:11 2012] Your Boltran`s Agacerie spell has worn off.
[Thu Dec 27 18:11:23 2012] You begin casting Boltran`s Agacerie. 4:01 241
[Thu Dec 27 18:15:24 2012] Your Boltran`s Agacerie spell has worn off.

[Slave]

Thrilled someone has done any data on 200-255 cha; well done.

[Itap]

Great read, thanks Lor!

[Tecmos Deception]

Delicious, delicious charisma.

[koros]

While you very well might end up right, that's nowhere near the sample size to even begin to draw a conclusion. Especially considering with the outlier 199 cha actually lasted longer...

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by koros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While you very well might end up right, that's nowhere near the sample size to even begin to draw a conclusion. Especially considering with the outlier 199 cha actually lasted longer...

That's why I used phrases like 'go out on a limb and guess' and 'we need more data'. I'm certainly not going to chuck my HP gear wholesale.

I'm quite confident in my outlier removal. I actually got a 7 minute charm on an ilis shaman earlier that I didn't record. I started out charming a frog in the tube room but it was boring so I switched to Grup's PH to PL (or NL, since I got poor Sojutsu killed. He cast bonds of force just charm broke and the ilis wiz ate him for lunch in under 10 seconds) the NG group.

[-Catherin-]

always like these posts as im always trying to improve, I consider what we have so far though as within the margin of error (and chance), thus will not currently convince me to rethink what im already doing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] keep it comming though if you feel like it

[Splorf22]

Well so far I am convinced enough to dump my granite bracer.

How about you post some logs yourself [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Ambrotos]

I told you this a year ago good sir!

[Snagglepuss]

I love reading threads like this. Awesome job Splorf!