Hoshkar AE resistable with shaman slow?

[mikemandella]

Hoshkar AE is resistible with player slow? IE player one player casts slow on player two and the slowed player (player two) can no longer be hit by Hoshkars AE.

Seems like this would trivialize the encounter. Please advise.

Is this working as intended?

- Oppressor

[Haynar]

Yes. It currently works that way. But soon it will not.

H

[Daldaen]

Due to spell stacking this is how the game functions.

Turgur's being 75% slow is more potent than Hoshkar's 55% slow. Both occupying slot 2. Meaning if you have Turgur's on it blocks Diseased Cloud from landing. Forlorn Deeds would work as well.

But doing that is tedious, have to duel each person and camp....

Plenty of examples of this in EQ. Cazic Thule in PoTime, you could block the snare/silence effect by casting Ensnare on yourself and others. Later on you could use a crappy SK DoT that no one ever cast to prevent Morell Thule from self buffing with a huge DS.

Though I've never known of a guild who would utilize that gray area (using a buff or detrimental effect to block a more harmful one)... That didn't use more sketchy tactics. This is a gray area... One that some people call a legit tactic (heard the argument that you use Levitate to prevent GFluxs from killing) and some people call a cheese and stay away from.

Really needs dev comments to decide whether that is allowable or not. But mechanically, I can confirm this is classic.

EDIT: Haynar beat me. Confirmed Devs taking a stand against sketchy tactics. I approve. Next PoFear mobs need to accelerate speed when kited around if CT or Draco are up.

[mikemandella]

Yes. It currently works that way. But soon it will not.

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Thanks Haynar. Is this currently a bug and allowed? IE can we just engage hoshkar slowed and not be exploiting intentionally/unintentionally?

- Oppressor

[Rhambuk]

Though this is frowned upon and will be removed I kind of like the idea. more than one way to kill a dragon, secret tactics, feels classic y'know?

[Daldaen]

Should just exploit pathing so that a dragon never summons or melees someone too, secret tactics, feels classic y'know.

[Rhambuk]

touché sir!

[Potus]

Exploiting pathing and stacking a more powerful slow on yourself at the cost of not receiving a DD are not the same things.

You're a big fucking baby to even try to argue that.

[Daldaen]

Avoiding damage by exploiting an unintended game mechanic, is certainly comparable. Infact, Hoshkar's AE is far more harmful than any melee of any raid mob... considering one hits everyone in the raid and the other hits a single...

Also 'at the cost of not receiving DD' is a false justification. Since you can do it to caster DPS who aren't affected by slow at all, but certainly are by a huge AE.

[quido]

It's clearly a bug and an exploit. The DD should still do 1250 damage even if the slow doesn't land.

[Elderan]

The DD should still do 1250 damage even if the slow doesn't land.

Kinda true. Just wanted to clarify.

Originally in classic the DD and Slow would both not land if you had a higher slow on you. Our first few kills on Hoshkar in Fires of Heaven was this way.
It was ninja patched a few weeks later that if you had a higher slow the DD would still land yes but not overwrite you current slow.

If you resisted though both the slow and DD would not land.

[Potus]

"No because you see DoT stacking should only hurt the players, not the mobs."

[mikemandella]

Kinda true. Just wanted to clarify.

Originally in classic the DD and Slow would both not land if you had a higher slow on you. Our first few kills on Hoshkar in Fires of Heaven was this way.
It was ninja patched a few weeks later that if you had a higher slow the DD would still land yes but not overwrite you current slow.

If you resisted though both the slow and DD would not land.

So you have been quietly fighting it this way, knowing full well that this was not intended by the original devs and only lasted for a few weeks?

- Oppressor

[Elderan]

So you have been quietly fighting it this way, knowing full well that this was not intended by the original devs and only lasted for a few weeks?

- Oppressor

We also use pumices to dispel talendors dot which was not classic. Also we hammer/proc off corpses which was not intended by the original devs.

[mikemandella]

These are the same thing...

- Oppressor

[lite]

Exploiting the hardest dragon in the game, procing off of corpses. Same thing.

[Potus]

Hey guys guess what, the biggest exploit in the game is CH.

Mind blown.