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raato
05-02-2016, 05:19 AM
Eventho I don't personally like Trololloo, I agree 100% with everything he says and will say about this current topic.
Swish
05-02-2016, 07:30 AM
You're defending refilling your endurance bar so you can jump more while strafe running in a race to get to a mob a half second earlier after looking at someone else's screen for up to 16 hours waiting for it to spawn in this ridiculous variance system?
You are absolutely out of your fucking mind.
http://i.imgur.com/Y2KGLdu.gif
From the last couple of pages I'm learning that BDA aren't doing so well with FTE lately.
Phantasm
05-02-2016, 07:41 AM
From the last couple of pages I'm learning that BDA aren't doing so well with FTE lately.
how many times do we have to fall for your plea for attention
its sickening
Swish
05-02-2016, 07:54 AM
I'm guessing all this whining is something to do with not doing very well in the raid scene and wanting a rotation...well you dun goofed on the last one so good luck getting another chance.
Ravager
05-02-2016, 08:26 AM
derpa derpa derp BDA derpa derpa derp BDA derp derp derpa derp :mad:
Feel free to cut and paste that every time you post, Swish. You could use the time you save to wash your clothes.
manguard
05-02-2016, 08:56 AM
decent shit talk going on here
lemme summarize
casuals:
you suck at everything and should feel ashamed
competitives:
you're all neckbearded mace wielding sociopaths defending your emulated epeen
Swish
05-02-2016, 08:57 AM
Feel free to cut and paste that every time you post, Swish. You could use the time you save to wash your clothes.
I challenge you to not be mad when you post on the forums, just once.
MiRo2
05-02-2016, 09:24 AM
So you are claiming that a Crown of Rile was not intended to instantly refill the endurance bar in classic to make use of weapons/discs/jumping easier for the classes that had them ?
Indeed, classic use of spell intended to restore stamina.
Sodors Finest Poster
05-02-2016, 09:28 AM
I like how BDA has social aggro.
Much like mobs in this game. Snipe one of them with a forums post and if there's any nearby they all come running for you.
Sodors Finest Poster
05-02-2016, 09:30 AM
(Swish is a terrible puller who keeps failing feign death and ends up training the zone)
Nirgon
05-02-2016, 09:51 AM
macewielding
welcome baby, to the nohilum fomily
Legday
05-02-2016, 10:17 AM
If a guild like Anonymous was to get enough Trak teeth to mount a consistent VP kill force (you're going to need 50+ because not everybody is going to be around every time PD pops) and then they were to get the PD FTE and pull down, and then kill PD (being generous, no offense) 50% of the time he pops...it would take them over a year to get enough crowns on their FTE'ers assuming none of them burn out or jump ship.
That is not a realistic expectation of another guild to "progress" through just to be able to keep up with our runners in ToV and Kael.
Kileras
05-02-2016, 11:13 AM
If a guild like Anonymous was to get enough Trak teeth to mount a consistent VP kill force (you're going to need 50+ because not everybody is going to be around every time PD pops) and then they were to get the PD FTE and pull down, and then kill PD (being generous, no offense) 50% of the time he pops...it would take them over a year to get enough crowns on their FTE'ers assuming none of them burn out or jump ship.
That is not a realistic expectation of another guild to "progress" through just to be able to keep up with our runners in ToV and Kael.
this. And, considering how their is now class system or anything remotely resembling "tiers", there is no end in sight to the bigger guilds just zoning us out continually from trakanon/VP/most other targets. If the "progression" was applied to everyone, not just hte smaller guilds, it would put the bigger guilds into the highest tier and enable things like trakanon>VP to be a legitimate progression tier for mid level guilds. But, good stuff drops in VP and fully keyed alt armies exist so there is no chance for that progression line as well.
Kileras
05-02-2016, 11:14 AM
holy good LAWD that iphone auto correct is something fierce.
Signal
05-02-2016, 11:15 AM
If a guild like Anonymous was to get enough Trak teeth to mount a consistent VP kill force (you're going to need 50+ because not everybody is going to be around every time PD pops) and then they were to get the PD FTE and pull down, and then kill PD (being generous, no offense) 50% of the time he pops...it would take them over a year to get enough crowns on their FTE'ers assuming none of them burn out or jump ship.
That is not a realistic expectation of another guild to "progress" through just to be able to keep up with our runners in ToV and Kael.
Not true. I know watching fraps both sides litereally only have maybe 4 people racing with Crowns consistently. It's in the chat spam on the fraps. There aren't that many that use them.
Nibblewitz
05-02-2016, 11:19 AM
Are we now using the word "progression" on a time-locked server?
Sodors Finest Poster
05-02-2016, 11:30 AM
Only when you release your soul from pixel-lust will you truly be free.
Mistle
05-02-2016, 11:34 AM
Signal and other A/A guys are pissing their pants in fear at the idea the race scene might be equalized because they know within a few weeks of losing their advantages gained from years of unopposed easymode farming and therefore no longer winning 99% of the races, their guilds will fall apart. They are built on pixel lust and a delusion that being in them somehow makes them better players, and once the veil is lifted, it'll look like rats leaving the Titanic.
He just hopes he can hold the present retarded system long enough to break the guilds composed of people who actually have jobs and lives first.
Tuljin
05-02-2016, 11:37 AM
I can't speak for others but I don't believe I ever said I didn't want to compete the way A/A competes because it wasn't fair. I simply don't want to do it because it's purely and simply not fun. The levels of fuckery required to participate in top tier raiding perpetuated by A/A and Rampage/Forsaken before them and IB/TMO before them is ludicrous.
The only thing that has changed is the ridiculously fucking stupid guild names and acronyms.
...if joined one of those guilds, I couldn't make fun of both of them. Or even post here. This is more fun than the game.
Idk if I would say its more fun than "the game," but I would say it's waaaaaaaay more fun than the version of "the game" that has been morphed and fucked over the years by the various iterations of A/A. New people to the server who know no different keep feeding the machine.
Keep lining up for those pixels, nubs.
Tuljin
05-02-2016, 11:38 AM
Signal and other A/A guys are pissing their pants in fear at the idea the race scene might be equalized because they know within a few weeks of losing their advantages gained from years of unopposed easymode farming and therefore no longer winning 99% of the races, their guilds will fall apart. They are built on pixel lust and a delusion that being in them somehow makes them better players, and once the veil is lifted, it'll look like rats leaving the Titanic.
He just hopes he can hold the present retarded system long enough to break the guilds composed of people who actually have jobs and lives first.
Another good one lol. Yep desperately grasping for power and control, sounds about right.
k2summit
05-02-2016, 11:40 AM
https://i.imgur.com/PyIbajK.png
Spyder73
05-02-2016, 12:21 PM
...if joined one of those guilds, I couldn't make fun of both of them. Or even post here. This is more fun than the game.
Am in Aftermath, can confirm Detoxx/Pints issuing forum bans is a myth (if anyone was going to get one, it would certainly be me would it not be?).
snead
05-02-2016, 12:36 PM
Do you ever stop and listen to the things you say? Cause I'm almost embarrassed for you at this point. Do you think ANYONE on the original EQ dev team thought to themselves "We need to make an item that will allow hardcore neckbeards to jump indefinitely so they can win FTE footraces and show those casual scum who's boss til they go farm VP themselves for 5 years so they can 'earn it'" you're quite literally out of your mind if that's honestly what you think. But we all know that's not really what you think it's just a dumb argument you made to support your dumb position. Let me ask you this. Do you REALLY think the average A/A member puts in significantly more "work" to "earn" their pixels than the average BDA or Europa or Anonymous member? For those that don't know here's a day in the life of the average raider in ANY (not just a/a) raid guild on P99.
1: Carry x y z 'required' consumables that 1/2 the raid doesn't bother to get or keep charged
2: "Park" your character wherever /get or website tells you to for upcoming dragon
3: Log in when you receive a batphone
4: Perform your classes (almost always) extremely easy role
5: Collect DKP/Pixels
6: Go back to step 2 rinse/repeat
This isn't rocket science. Almost all of the "hard" work is carried out by a super small group of people at the top of each guild. I put "hard" in quotes cause I'm not really sure you can call staring at a screen waiting for a mob to pop for 16 hrs or spam clicking a crown of rile to run to a mob faster "hard" but I'll let that slide. The vast majority of every raider on this server just logs in and hits their ch macro or backstab button for a while then logs off. You're not better than me cause the core neckbeard group in your guild neckbearded harder than the core neckbeard group in my guild. You didn't "earn" something that I didn't because when you get a batphone and log in to do exactly what everyone else does your guild tag happens to be Aftermath. You also didn't "earn" the right to have a significant advantage in all Velious footraces cause you belong to one of 2 guilds that had a monopoly on Veeshan's Peak for 5 years.
Get real
anyone who has ever been a game dev can confirm that no matter what you intended players are going to play your game in ways you personally never thought of. All they are doing is giving you a bunch of tools to play with. I'm sure if Brad read all this we're doing all sorts of shit he and his team never thought of. Two examples below.
1. rocket jumping in quake - this was huge back then and changed the way maps worked and new games planned around this.
2. Anytime someone speed speed run a game. They are typically abusing mechanics they never thought of. Ever watch a Zelda Speed Run?
Go watch the video below. Here's the perfect example of a speed runner with the doublefine team. This is video is pure gold on this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsDc1YVxHA0
jcr4990
05-02-2016, 12:50 PM
If a guild like Anonymous was to get enough Trak teeth to mount a consistent VP kill force (you're going to need 50+ because not everybody is going to be around every time PD pops) and then they were to get the PD FTE and pull down, and then kill PD (being generous, no offense) 50% of the time he pops...it would take them over a year to get enough crowns on their FTE'ers assuming none of them burn out or jump ship.
That is not a realistic expectation of another guild to "progress" through just to be able to keep up with our runners in ToV and Kael.
From the mouth of Aftermath itself. Props to Legday for not being a braindead idiot and having the balls to tell the truth <3
BDA has been going hard in VP since near the start of Velious. We were getting the majority of targets in there too for quite a while. If I'm not mistaken we have like... 3 crowns? 2 of which dropped on the same PD. It's not exactly a common drop. Not to mention these days there's quite a bit more competition for VP targets than there was in early Velious when the neckbeards kinda gave up on VP for a short while. A guild like Anonymous would have to kill enough Trak's to key 50+ players (I think they have 2-3 Trak kills so far?) then learn and execute VP's retardedly complex pull strats and secure enough PD's in direct competition with A/A (who's been doing it for almost 6 years now) and BDA who's been doing it for a year to get 3-4 crowns and hope nobody that got a crown ghosts or jumps ship to greener pixel pastures. All that just to be on even footing in a race for fucking statue.
Raise your hand if you think that sounds reasonable (Not you Signal you retard)
Spyder73
05-02-2016, 12:55 PM
Best classic video game videos are the guys who can beat Mike Tyson's Punchout literally blindfolded and facing away from the TV
Signal
05-02-2016, 01:01 PM
this. And, considering how their is now class system or anything remotely resembling "tiers", there is no end in sight to the bigger guilds just zoning us out continually from trakanon/VP/most other targets. If the "progression" was applied to everyone, not just hte smaller guilds, it would put the bigger guilds into the highest tier and enable things like trakanon>VP to be a legitimate progression tier for mid level guilds. But, good stuff drops in VP and fully keyed alt armies exist so there is no chance for that progression line as well.
The last PD was killed with like 22 players. Those HUGE alt armies yo. Let's live in reality instead of this made up world you seem to. If your guild had logged in right after the server went down last week. Between you and Divinity. You would have had enough to kill PD uncontested. A/A was busy with Tormax and Eashen. Let's spin a false rhetoric instead.
Signal
05-02-2016, 01:04 PM
From the mouth of Aftermath itself. Props to Legday for not being a braindead idiot and having the balls to tell the truth <3
BDA has been going hard in VP since near the start of Velious. We were getting the majority of targets in there too for quite a while. If I'm not mistaken we have like... 3 crowns? 2 of which dropped on the same PD. It's not exactly a common drop. Not to mention these days there's quite a bit more competition for VP targets than there was in early Velious when the neckbeards kinda gave up on VP for a short while. A guild like Anonymous would have to kill enough Trak's to key 50+ players (I think they have 2-3 Trak kills so far?) then learn and execute VP's retardedly complex pull strats and secure enough PD's in direct competition with A/A (who's been doing it for almost 6 years now) and BDA who's been doing it for a year to get 3-4 crowns and hope nobody that got a crown ghosts or jumps ship to greener pixel pastures. All that just to be on even footing in a race for fucking statue.
Raise your hand if you think that sounds reasonable (Not you Signal you retard)
BDA only goes in VP once every 2 weeks. 2 times a month. Not 4. So you only compete on half of the PDs and have gotten 3 crowns. BDA hasn't killed PD too often lately either. So please stop presenting false numbers and a false narrative in this discussion.
Ciroco
05-02-2016, 01:24 PM
I think the fact that crowns are being championed as a required progression piece is hilarious enough to make the math irrelevant
Kileras
05-02-2016, 01:28 PM
The last PD was killed with like 22 players. Those HUGE alt armies yo. Let's live in reality instead of this made up world you seem to. If your guild had logged in right after the server went down last week. Between you and Divinity. You would have had enough to kill PD uncontested. A/A was busy with Tormax and Eashen. Let's spin a false rhetoric instead.
what are you even talking about? there wasn't a full reset last week if i recall, and the other week there was a reset we bagged 5 dargunz in north/west. Trakanon is a heavily contested mob that because of its contention and the time it takes for keys, when allocating resources as a casual guild bagging 5 north/west mobs and a statue/AoW within the same 3 weeks is pretty fantastic compared to grinding those keys right now. If Trakanon wasn't so contested by much larger and more experienced guilds/harder dedication guilds then maybe our focus would change. We also get an hour to engage and muster for north/west mobs where we do not in VP, making it much harder for a guild like ours to have enough keys/guarantee enough login to secure a mob.
I am not spinning any kind of false rhetoric, you are acting like I am sitting around complaining and whining all the time when that isn't the case at all. Anonymous has been doing work and getting a lot done considering our age/size/experience level. I have made a few statements in total around trying to make racing better/more consistent across the board and thats it. We haven't been around as long as other people and respect every guild on here and our taking our time to figure out how "the game is played" and trying to adapt and compete. I hate the current system with a couple exceptions, but we are not sitting around complaining about it needing to be changed without trying our hardest first/putting forth what little competition we can muster.
Asking someone to show up and race when they don't have the helmet spam to hop and therefore 0 chance to win just seems stupid.
I think we are the only guild to get a FTE besides A/A not on a quake or reset, and the only guild besides A/A to get a dargun from north not on a quake or reset. Does this mean we are lucky? probably... but it seemed like the changes were meant for people in our exact position to have a shot at content or to make it a place we felt comfortable competing in, and If we/i/us think it still feels bogus and rigged then i think there is something there to explore.
Nirgon
05-02-2016, 01:50 PM
its a flaw in your idea that a starting gun and a race has anything to do with everquest
you make rotations and fuck them up
then you come up with retarded ideas like foot races which should be reserved for lvl 1 gnome GM events and ..
SHOCKER
its a retarded idea with a retarded outcome, look at this thread
step away and look at this shit, you think you are solving things with anything other than a rotation? its a blue server. you share as a community. you cannot "fight" for raid targets no matter what in the hell you think qualifies as that without pvp being enabled.
this is the only thing worse than my post count, which isn't even as high as others now. seriously.
Lojik
05-02-2016, 02:01 PM
http://i.imgur.com/dFAxPHG.png
should be 12315 slacker
khanable
05-02-2016, 02:01 PM
its a flaw in your idea that a starting gun and a race has anything to do with everquest
you make rotations and fuck them up
then you come up with retarded ideas like foot races which should be reserved for lvl 1 gnome GM events and ..
SHOCKER
its a retarded idea with a retarded outcome, look at this thread
step away and look at this shit, you think you are solving things with anything other than a rotation? its a blue server. you share as a community. you cannot "fight" for raid targets no matter what in the hell you think qualifies as that without pvp being enabled.
this is the only thing worse than my post count, which isn't even as high as others now. seriously.
^
jcr4990
05-02-2016, 02:07 PM
BDA only goes in VP once every 2 weeks. 2 times a month. Not 4. So you only compete on half of the PDs and have gotten 3 crowns. BDA hasn't killed PD too often lately either. So please stop presenting false numbers and a false narrative in this discussion.
BDA contested VP every single week for many months. It only switched to every other week like.. A couple months ago? I forget how long its been. But for at least 6 months we were in there every week starting in early Velious and got the majority of targets nearly every week.
Nice try tho! Still waiting for that 1 person that agrees with your dumb argument. Even your own guild says you're wrong. Give it up.
Spyder73
05-02-2016, 02:10 PM
.
its a flaw in your idea that a starting gun and a race has anything to do with everquest
you make rotations and fuck them up
then you come up with retarded ideas like foot races which should be reserved for lvl 1 gnome GM events and ..
SHOCKER
its a retarded idea with a retarded outcome, look at this thread
step away and look at this shit, you think you are solving things with anything other than a rotation? its a blue server. you share as a community. you cannot "fight" for raid targets no matter what in the hell you think qualifies as that without pvp being enabled.
this is the only thing worse than my post count, which isn't even as high as others now. seriously.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Arguing that a Crown of Rile is a logical progression to be able to kill Velious Dragons is so stupid that it defies belief.
There is no good way for guilds to compete for raid mobs on Blue. Simultaneous repops are the only option and even that isn't great.
Went to Eabon's open raid this weekend; I almost forgot that the game is actually pretty fun when it's played the way it was intended.
Spyder73
05-02-2016, 02:29 PM
Neckbeards making the game unplayable is as classic as classic gets however...so sh!ts classic still applies to this entire thread
Fifield
05-02-2016, 02:30 PM
Rotate all raid mobs, when it isn't your turn to raid, do other content in the game, play an alt, or game a different game.
buuuuuut this is P99 so lets just all play the new DAOC classic server =D
khanable
05-02-2016, 02:36 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Arguing that a Crown of Rile is a logical progression to be able to kill Velious Dragons is so stupid that it defies belief.
There is no good way for guilds to compete for raid mobs on Blue. Simultaneous repops are the only option and even that isn't great.
Went to Eabon's open raid this weekend; I almost forgot that the game is actually pretty fun when it's played the way it was intended.
Yes, was so fun
Rotate all raid mobs, when it isn't your turn to raid, do other content in the game, play an alt, or game a different game.
buuuuuut this is P99 so lets just all play the new DAOC classic server =D
Yes
Aviann
05-02-2016, 02:42 PM
You guys complaining that races and competition wasn't classic have never played endgame during the beginning of Everquest. It was ruthless and cutthroat as a mother fucker.
We just weren't pussies when we lost a target.
FTE races are not classic you putz
xexbis0
05-02-2016, 02:51 PM
You guys complaining that races and competition wasn't classic have never played endgame during the beginning of Everquest. It was ruthless and cutthroat as a mother fucker.
We just weren't pussies when we lost a target.
There should be nobody on this box that played classic Everquest claiming that this atrocity of an end-game is anything close to classic Everquest my Louisiana brethren.
jcr4990
05-02-2016, 02:56 PM
You guys complaining that races and competition wasn't classic have never played endgame during the beginning of Everquest. It was ruthless and cutthroat as a mother fucker.
We just weren't pussies when we lost a target.
Not all classic servers were the same. Some servers had GM enforced rotations according to many ppl. Some had first in force type rules. I remember guilds getting warnings from GM's for leapfrogging on my server back in the day. Not every server was a FFA cesspool.
Name a classic EQ server that had 16 hour variance windows with multiple guilds tracking for the entire duration and racing to FTE it the second it spawns by any means necessary. Whether its CoTH, TL Box, Rilespam, Strafejumping, Lev rings, Selos/SoW, Nets/Mallets or using RAM drives to zone faster or running 3rd party scripts/autofire (and getting banned for it) or whatever other dumb thing we abuse to win the FTE race. None of this shit existed back then. If it did I guaran-fucking-tee you Verant/SoE would've done something about it and that something wouldn't have been make rules about footracing from the zonein.
Aviann
05-02-2016, 03:05 PM
And you guys know the reason why we have both the foot races and variance, right?
maskedmelon
05-02-2016, 03:08 PM
How about we implement some type of mechanic that restricts looting of corpses (for a defined period) to members of the group that defeated the mob?
bktroost
05-02-2016, 03:19 PM
And you guys know the reason why we have both the foot races and variance, right?
When did all previously named asgard members adopt old tmo mentality? Was Art the only casual in that guild?
khanable
05-02-2016, 03:23 PM
When did all previously named asgard members adopt old tmo mentality? Was Art the only casual in that guild?
Asgard was just TMO alts
Weren't you paying attention two years ago?
Jeez
Aviann
05-02-2016, 03:35 PM
When did all previously named asgard members adopt old tmo mentality? Was Art the only casual in that guild?
No, I just find it funny that when our guilds do something for the betterment of everyone, people still find a reason to cry. I still love everyone equally, but that love is fading fast.
xexbis0
05-02-2016, 03:37 PM
When did all previously named asgard members adopt old tmo mentality? Was Art the only casual in that guild?
It is a fascinating case study. They basically let Forsaken do all the work for them, yet act completely entitled to the results. They are the 7-10 guys. They get some playing time but not when it counts. They'll get the rings. People know them around town, but everyone knows who brought home the banner.
Aviann
05-02-2016, 03:40 PM
It is a fascinating case study. They basically let Forsaken do all the work for them, yet act completely entitled to the results. They are the 7-10 guys. They get some playing time but not when it counts. They'll get the rings. People know them around town, but everyone knows who brought home the banner.
Now selling custom made tinfoil hats. Shoot me a message with your requests.
I think we should ban the use of any item or spell that gives one player an advantage over another. Unless every person on every raid has access to the exact same pieces of gear, none of that gear should be allowed. That is pretty much where we're headed, right?
Cecily
05-02-2016, 03:41 PM
We've been running the server on a TR? / IB model FTE sock model for the entirety of the server's history. That's not how all live servers worked and it's time to try an alternative. Sharing content would mean almost no staff intervention required versus our abomination of a raid system. I know how you feel, Aviann, but when the casual scum are just as capable of killing anything your top teir raid guild it's silly to feel superior.
Aviann
05-02-2016, 03:45 PM
We've been running the server on a TR? / IB model FTE sock model for the entirety of the server's history. That's not how all live servers worked and it's time to try an alternative. Sharing content would mean almost no staff intervention required versus our abomination of a raid system. I know how you feel, Aviann, but when the casual scum are just as capable of killing anything your top teir raid guild it's silly to feel superior.
It isn't a superiority problem that I'm having I don't believe. I'd be fine with just about anything at this point if it meant people would stop acting like morons.
Just so happens that nobody agrees with the whole, get what you put in mentality that I had before getting to this point so I can't exactly make a strong stance on anything besides the fact that people are stupid as hell.
Cecily
05-02-2016, 03:50 PM
Are you with AM now? Don't you ever feel like you're pressured to put in too much? Maybe not, but I feel like the toll for pixels as soon as possible is too high compared to what agreeing to a smaller cut and just enjoying content for the sake of killing dragons would do for IRL and server health here.
Legday
05-02-2016, 03:51 PM
It is a fascinating case study. They basically let Forsaken do all the work for them, yet act completely entitled to the results. They are the 7-10 guys. They get some playing time but not when it counts. They'll get the rings. People know them around town, but everyone knows who brought home the banner.
Somehow in all of this you seem to be the most poorly informed of them all.
Colgate
05-02-2016, 03:59 PM
if i played on blue i would just edit zone files to give me a slightly more efficient run path
yowl gotta think outside the box
Cecily
05-02-2016, 04:00 PM
if i played on blue i would just edit zone files to give me a slightly more efficient run path
yowl gotta think outside the box
That possible? Looking forward to that RnF.
xexbis0
05-02-2016, 04:00 PM
Somehow in all of this you seem to be the most poorly informed of them all.
Please inform me who the Asgardian tracking heroes are compared to those that were putting in the time from Forsaken. Warm bodies that respond to batphones are great and all, but let's not act as if that's the hard part. Nalken, Gimp, Fifield...y'all don't have anyone anywhere near the same stratosphere of those 3.
Guilds fail and succeed on the strength of their trackers (now racers).
Then of course there's this little fun tidbit from your merger:
Guild Leader: Detoxx
Second in Command: Reep
But, yes, I'm sure Forsaken would completely agree that this was a marriage of equals and also call me completely misinformed.
Nirgon
05-02-2016, 04:02 PM
the only system that would work is an extremely present and heavy handed group of GMs that enforced a rotation
otherwise its going to be retarded and no one remotely normal is going to raid
Colgate
05-02-2016, 04:04 PM
That possible? Looking forward to that RnF.
yea you can edit/add/remove textures in any zone and it's undetectable unless someone sees you running through walls or if you show self-incriminating evidence
forcing a file check upon login wouldn't stop it considering zone files aren't called until you attempt to enter that zone, so you can just swap them out after logging in
not like rogaine would even get around to creating such a file check, though
we submitted proof of people doing this shit on red years ago and nothing was ever done about it
Cecily
05-02-2016, 04:05 PM
Well you're a horrible person for publicly discussing that, but it should be fun to watch now.
Nirgon
05-02-2016, 04:06 PM
forumquest search for "Freeport Vision" and u will c
Legday
05-02-2016, 04:08 PM
Please inform me who the Asgardian tracking heroes are compared to those that were putting in the time from Forsaken. Warm bodies that respond to batphones are great and all, but let's not act as if that's the hard part. Nalken, Gimp, Fifield...y'all don't have anyone anywhere near the same stratosphere of those 3.
Guilds fail and succeed on the strength of their trackers (now racers).
Then of course there's this little fun tidbit from your merger:
Guild Leader: Detoxx
Second in Command: Reep
But, yes, I'm sure Forsaken would completely agree that this was a marriage of equals and also call me completely misinformed.
Yeah... I'm not gonna do that.
I will, however, point out that you are dumb.
Cecily
05-02-2016, 04:10 PM
forumquest search for "Freeport Vision" and u will c
Oh shit, is this like Dukevision?
jcr4990
05-02-2016, 04:11 PM
when the casual scum are just as capable of killing anything your top teir raid guild it's silly to feel superior.
This is really what it boils down to. Pretty much every raid guild is capable of killing every raid target in the game outside of maybe 2-3 of the hardest ones and that's only cause all guilds not named A/A have been denied a lot of the pixels that make those fights much easier. All the clerics in CSG Anonity and BDA know how to run a CH chain. All the tanks know how to right click mallets and stand in a corner. All the rogues know how to hit backstab and evade. What separates A/A from everyone else really is their willingness to dump an insane amount of man hours into sitting around staring at screens til dragons appear and to a much lesser extent their pull team's ability to execute the pull quicker or know the best route to FTE race with the best clickies (Crown of Rile/Lev ring.etc) Unless your name is ________ (Fill in the blank with your guilds top 2-3 pullers/trackers) then you really have absolutely no leg to stand on when you look down your nose at other guilds like you "earned" something they didn't. Or you're somehow better at the game than they are.
I've been on both sides of the casual/hardcore fence and take it from me. There's not a lot of difference in the caliber of the average player between the hardcore and casual guilds. Want proof? Asgard and Taken members currently make up like 40% or more of the top 2 raid guilds. Let that sink in for a minute.
if i played on blue i would just edit zone files to give me a slightly more efficient run path
yowl gotta think outside the box
Rumor has it a certain AM tracker has a script that watches his screen while bind sight tracking and when it detects a mob spawned it automatically fires a sound through speakers/headset and starts running his character forward. I don't have proof of this but have heard it from more than 1 source. Not quite as elaborate as editing zone files but its def thinkin outside the box and squarely in "Would totally get you banned if ever caught" territory just like editing zone files.
xexbis0
05-02-2016, 04:12 PM
Yeah... I'm not gonna do that.
I will, however, point out that you are dumb.
Well that is compelling evidence sir.
Cecily
05-02-2016, 04:15 PM
Should be a required file imo.
http://i.imgur.com/uhi1bj3.jpg
Rumor has it a certain AM tracker has a script that watches his screen while bind sight tracking and when it detects a mob spawned it automatically fires a sound through speakers/headset and starts running his character forward.
I thought about doing this, as it would be pretty easy. Then I realized I didn't care enough.
We all get to choose how we spend our 24 hours out of the day - if someone wants to spend theirs tracking mobs, why shouldnt they be more entitled to them? I raided extremely hard core on this server for a couple of years while I was in college, but now have a 9 to 5 and can't / am not willing to show up as much - why should I have the same opportunities to gear and mobs? EQ has never been about skill or being able to kill something, it has always been about time commitment. It takes forever to level, then gear out, then join a guild, etc... a trained chimp could probably figure it out. I personally don't care if someone who wants to spend all their time playing a game gets more mobs than I do, because clearly it is more important to them than it is to me. I have little doubt that BDA, CSG, etc could kill NToV mobs, but as others have pointed out just getting the mob is half the battle. We've got finite resources and a near infinte demand, and I see no reason why the people putting in the most time shouldnt reap the benefits.
I'd have loved to raid more in early velious, but I like having money and a job more. Nothing is stopping any of you from quitting your job, abandoning your families, etc so that you can spend all day attaining pixels - you've just decided those other obligations are more important. Be thankful you have something in your life more important than EQ and let the people whose life situations allow them to play 24/7 enjoy their pixels.
Origin
05-02-2016, 04:52 PM
We all get to choose how we spend our 24 hours out of the day - if someone wants to spend theirs tracking mobs, why shouldnt they be more entitled to them? I raided extremely hard core on this server for a couple of years while I was in college, but now have a 9 to 5 and can't / am not willing to show up as much - why should I have the same opportunities to gear and mobs? EQ has never been about skill or being able to kill something, it has always been about time commitment. It takes forever to level, then gear out, then join a guild, etc... a trained chimp could probably figure it out. I personally don't care if someone who wants to spend all their time playing a game gets more mobs than I do, because clearly it is more important to them than it is to me. I have little doubt that BDA, CSG, etc could kill NToV mobs, but as others have pointed out just getting the mob is half the battle. We've got finite resources and a near infinte demand, and I see no reason why the people putting in the most time shouldnt reap the benefits.
I'd have loved to raid more in early velious, but I like having money and a job more. Nothing is stopping any of you from quitting your job, abandoning your families, etc so that you can spend all day attaining pixels - you've just decided those other obligations are more important. Be thankful you have something in your life more important than EQ and let the people whose life situations allow them to play 24/7 enjoy their pixels.
Well said, pal.
jcr4990
05-02-2016, 04:59 PM
I personally don't care if someone who wants to spend all their time playing a game gets more mobs than I do
Neither do I or any other reasonable person. Nobody is arguing A/A shouldn't get MORE pixels than the rest of us. They put in more time sure whatever they deserve it. What people are arguing for quite reasonably (imo) is a little more balance when it comes to mid-high end Velious targets. I think almost anyone in casual guilds will agree with me that we're totally cool with A/A getting like 60% or even 70% of the "good" Velious targets. Considering there's 5 active raid forces on this server (Counting Anon/Div as 1 and CSG as 1) I think 2 of them getting 70% for the extra work they put in is fairly reasonable. That leaves 35% each for A/A and 30% for BDA/CSG/Anonity to split up. Do the 3 major casual guilds/alliances not "deserve" to get 10% each? Does anyone HONESTLY think its reasonable for 2 guilds to get 90%+?
thufir
05-02-2016, 04:59 PM
Be thankful you have something in your life more important than EQ and let the people whose life situations allow them to play 24/7 enjoy their pixels.
Rumor has it a certain AM tracker has a script that watches his screen while bind sight tracking and when it detects a mob spawned it automatically fires a sound through speakers/headset and starts running his character forward. I don't have proof of this but have heard it from more than 1 source. Not quite as elaborate as editing zone files but its def thinkin outside the box and squarely in "Would totally get you banned if ever caught" territory just like editing zone files.
that sounds amazing, where do I get this
jcr4990
05-02-2016, 05:02 PM
Also something to keep in mind. Even the so called "casual" raid guilds on P99 are significantly more hardcore about raiding than pretty much any guild was in classic that I can remember. So when I say casual take it with a grain of salt. In P99's case casual tends to refer to everyone below the top 2 guilds. At least its been that way since I started playing in like 2012.
Nibblewitz
05-02-2016, 05:14 PM
Yes, we all have to mince words and use doublespeak to even convey the situation that is Project 1999: Classic Everquest.
maskedmelon
05-02-2016, 05:16 PM
Neither do I or any other reasonable person. Nobody is arguing A/A shouldn't get MORE pixels than the rest of us. They put in more time sure whatever they deserve it. What people are arguing for quite reasonably (imo) is a little more balance when it comes to mid-high end Velious targets. I think almost anyone in casual guilds will agree with me that we're totally cool with A/A getting like 60% or even 70% of the "good" Velious targets. Considering there's 5 active raid forces on this server (Counting Anon/Div as 1 and CSG as 1) I think 2 of them getting 70% for the extra work they put in is fairly reasonable. That leaves 35% each for A/A and 30% for BDA/CSG/Anonity to split up. Do the 3 major casual guilds/alliances not "deserve" to get 10% each? Does anyone HONESTLY think its reasonable for 2 guilds to get 90%+?
I am disinclined to believe that anyone deserves anything at all, unless it's me of course, then I might make an exception. That said, if we want to rotate Raid targets for guilds why don't we do the same with xp/farm groups? We could rotate camps every hour or so to make sure everyone had an equal shot at the good stuff. Additionally, we could rotate group members to ensure nobody is stuck LFG for too long and make sure no groups dominate a particular area.
Tuljin
05-02-2016, 05:39 PM
We've been running the server on a TR? / IB model FTE sock model for the entirety of the server's history. That's not how all live servers worked and it's time to try an alternative. Sharing content would mean almost no staff intervention required versus our abomination of a raid system. I know how you feel, Aviann, but when the casual scum are just as capable of killing anything your top teir raid guild it's silly to feel superior.
Thanks for fucking up the server guise
its a flaw in your idea that a starting gun and a race has anything to do with everquest
you make rotations and fuck them up
then you come up with retarded ideas like foot races which should be reserved for lvl 1 gnome GM events and ..
SHOCKER
its a retarded idea with a retarded outcome, look at this thread
step away and look at this shit, you think you are solving things with anything other than a rotation? its a blue server. you share as a community. you cannot "fight" for raid targets no matter what in the hell you think qualifies as that without pvp being enabled.
this is the only thing worse than my post count, which isn't even as high as others now. seriously.
Yes
EQ has never been about skill or being able to kill something, it has always been about time commitment. It takes forever to level, then gear out, then join a guild, etc... a trained chimp could probably figure it out.
I understand your sentiment and yes it takes a ton of time to play EQ however unlike WoW and carebear MMOs if you die, you lose XP. If you keep dying, you keep losing XP. If you dont get a rez, the XP is gone forever.
EQ is designed such that in order to be successful at the increasingly challenging content and get your levels, you have to learn game mechanics and get better. This is unlike carebear MMOs which pull you right on along. I'm pretty sure a chimp couldn't play a class with a charmed pet or pull/split rooms without getting wrecked.
This is why Chardok sucks. There are people in EQ who get to their 40s maybe 50 and then just start a new character or quit because the game is "too hard." This is by design. We shouldn't have a bunch of wannabes crank their way to 60 without learning the game just to fuel this bullshit machine.
I never thought a bunch of 30-somethings could be such absolute fucking take-my-ball-and-go-home crybabies who refuse to play a videogame without Game Genie.
ArumTP
05-02-2016, 06:03 PM
Signal and other A/A guys are pissing their pants in fear at the idea the race scene might be equalized because they know within a few weeks of losing their advantages gained from years of unopposed easymode farming and therefore no longer winning 99% of the races, their guilds will fall apart. They are built on pixel lust and a delusion that being in them somehow makes them better players, and once the veil is lifted, it'll look like rats leaving the Titanic.
He just hopes he can hold the present retarded system long enough to break the guilds composed of people who actually have jobs and lives first.
So how did CSG do on ikitar this raid cycle?
Help my pixels are in jeopardy
JurisDictum
05-02-2016, 06:13 PM
I am disinclined to believe that anyone deserves anything at all, unless it's me of course, then I might make an exception. That said, if we want to rotate Raid targets for guilds why don't we do the same with xp/farm groups? We could rotate camps every hour or so to make sure everyone had an equal shot at the good stuff. Additionally, we could rotate group members to ensure nobody is stuck LFG for too long and make sure no groups dominate a particular area.
My perspective as an Aftermath member (although my views aren't necessarily common):
There are a few reasons these things are different. First of all, its simply a fact that just about any lowbie zone or camp is quite possible to get a hold of for anyone willing to play this game regularly. It is also simply a fact that unless you are one of the most hardcore players on this server, the guild you start is hopeless against A/A. It probably would be anyway. So there is a practical difference between the two. One is a lot closer to the difficulty EQ was when we played it on live. This is what everyone "feels" is wrong with your statement when they read it.
Secondly, a lot of people don't realize how catered the server is to a particular play style, and it allows them to fall into falsely assuming that this is normal or intended somehow. What If me and my guild decided that we would camp the Fungi King and block everyone else that tried to? Every time one of us was ready to sleep, the other picks it up. People at first think "man, they'll wear out" but it just keeps going. Eventually people tell the GMs...what do they do? Welp, you can get added to a list. Where is the list for Dragons? Where are the FTE rules for fungi king? None of this shit is naturally occurring. It is created by the conditions the server staff puts in place.
Finally, these question devolve into "who did more work?" when it never had anything to do with the question "do most people find the raid scene fun?" or "does the raid scene look reasonable?" or "What should the rules be?"
Yes, we know some people are willing to put in a ton of work for this game. That's the problem. We know there are people willing to sell platinum for RL money, that's a problem so we ban RMT. You guys keep pretending there isn't a problem. But almost everyone who isn't currently in the midst of top end raiding (most these people have addiction issues) says this server is a fucking death trap and stay away. This is almost entirely due to the raid scene.
Ciroco
05-02-2016, 06:20 PM
EQ has never been about skill or being able to kill something, it has always been about time commitment.
Yeah, except that time was spent actually playing the game instead of staring at it.
JurisDictum
05-02-2016, 06:30 PM
to clarify my second point, if we want a completely organic non-GM structured raid fight, it would like this:
No Variance
Damage racing each mob at the spawn point
Training each other
Nice and lazziez-faire for you all. I'll tell you one thing, there would be a guild emerging that makes us all look like disorganized casuals.
maskedmelon
05-02-2016, 06:41 PM
That's a good solution, not sure why I didn't think of that.
AzzarTheGod
05-02-2016, 06:52 PM
to clarify my second point, if we want a completely organic non-GM structured raid fight, it would like this:
No Variance
Damage racing each mob at the spawn point
Training each other
Nice and lazziez-faire for you all. I'll tell you one thing, there would be a guild emerging that makes us all look like disorganized casuals.
This. I'd want legalized trains to make this system work as best as possible though.
Cecily
05-02-2016, 06:54 PM
Or you could make intentional training illegal? Maybe clear to mobs. I know that's radical thinking.
Or you could make intentional training illegal? Maybe clear to mobs. I know that's radical thinking.
You make one good point and one terrible point.
Colgate
05-02-2016, 07:07 PM
Well you're a horrible person for publicly discussing that, but it should be fun to watch now.
was a real hot public topic when people were changing the skeleton model to default to human so to diminish the usefulness of amulets of necropotence
have seen much more extensive shit done with texture/model manipulation than that though
jcr4990
05-02-2016, 07:08 PM
My perspective as an Aftermath member (although my views aren't necessarily common):
There are a few reasons these things are different. First of all, its simply a fact that just about any lowbie zone or camp is quite possible to get a hold of for anyone willing to play this game regularly. It is also simply a fact that unless you are one of the most hardcore players on this server, the guild you start is hopeless against A/A. It probably would be anyway. So there is a practical difference between the two. One is a lot closer to the difficulty EQ was when we played it on live. This is what everyone "feels" is wrong with your statement when they read it.
Secondly, a lot of people don't realize how catered the server is to a particular play style, and it allows them to fall into falsely assuming that this is normal or intended somehow. What If me and my guild decided that we would camp the Fungi King and block everyone else that tried to? Every time one of us was ready to sleep, the other picks it up. People at first think "man, they'll wear out" but it just keeps going. Eventually people tell the GMs...what do they do? Welp, you can get added to a list. Where is the list for Dragons? Where are the FTE rules for fungi king? None of this shit is naturally occurring. It is created by the conditions the server staff puts in place.
Finally, these question devolve into "who did more work?" when it never had anything to do with the question "do most people find the raid scene fun?" or "does the raid scene look reasonable?" or "What should the rules be?"
Yes, we know some people are willing to put in a ton of work for this game. That's the problem. We know there are people willing to sell platinum for RL money, that's a problem so we ban RMT. You guys keep pretending there isn't a problem. But almost everyone who isn't currently in the midst of top end raiding (most these people have addiction issues) says this server is a fucking death trap and stay away. This is almost entirely due to the raid scene.
Totally agree with pretty much all of this. Maybe not EVERYONE in AM is a lost cause :)
JurisDictum
05-02-2016, 07:45 PM
Or you could make intentional training illegal? Maybe clear to mobs. I know that's radical thinking.
The reason they don't do that is because its impossible to enforce no leapfrogging. So we just end up with leapfrog 99. It wouldn't be a lot different than tracker FTEing except the rest of the guild is there to watch when it goes down (and has to clear to the mob).
JurisDictum
05-02-2016, 07:54 PM
You could do a Lazziez-faire server without training. I'm sure there is some evidence somewhere the training generally was against the rules and punishable by GMs. You could even put in a 2 hour variance to avoid server crash issues.
I thought no one would want to play that server but w/e....maybe it would be better.
bktroost
05-02-2016, 08:36 PM
So how did CSG do on ikitar this raid cycle?
Help my pixels are in jeopardy
We tried to clear and were wrecked by continual trains. Disoriented people not really helping our cause and causing some of our on wipes moving in and then more trains afterward. I have a few sets of 60 minute fraps with...my gosh the trains.
the worst part of ToV is the rez box/gate pot pulls so you can't figure out who is training whom and where its coming from.
Clearing is a really scary thing to do, both for the guild training (because of petitions) and the guild clearing, because we obviously lost the mob hard.
EQ simply wasn't designed for guilds to compete against each other. It's that simple.
Swish
05-02-2016, 09:36 PM
EQ simply wasn't designed for guilds to compete against each other. It's that simple.
You're right, 1 guild of 600-700 people ought to solve it.
Mistle
05-02-2016, 09:38 PM
So how did CSG do on ikitar this raid cycle?
Help my pixels are in jeopardy
That's right, they wiped therefore there's nothing ever to worry about. Might as well let them keep trying, one wipe means they'll never succeed, amirite?
Somehow I bet you won't see it that way. Lol.
Mistle
05-02-2016, 09:40 PM
You're right, 1 guild of 600-700 people ought to solve it.
In a way, Test when it still worked as a regular server (no transfers) DID do it this way. It wasn't quite 600 people, but it was a couple hundred. The whole server ran a DKP system. However, we had Luclin and PoP by then.
Ella`Ella
05-02-2016, 10:26 PM
Yes, we know some people are willing to put in a ton of work for this game. That's the problem. We know there are people willing to sell platinum for RL money, that's a problem so we ban RMT. You guys keep pretending there isn't a problem. But almost everyone who isn't currently in the midst of top end raiding (most these people have addiction issues) says this server is a fucking death trap and stay away. This is almost entirely due to the raid scene.
The real problems are more centered around...
1) GM intervention is inconsistent (This is what creates lawyerquest) and CSR has yet to have a GM on staff that understands the raid scene and mechanics fully.
2) The devs/admins are notably absent on almost all large issues. We get quarterly updates on patches at best and beyond that, it's radio silence. Devs/Admins appear to almost ignore/avoid the population entirely.
3) The raid scene is artificial. Dating back to the early days of IB vs DA, a precedent was created that somehow 2 guilds should dominate the end game raid scene when EQ is obviously designed to really only have one. In recent years, we've created rules that restrict certain mechanics, disallow certain spells, prohibit the use of certain items, etc... because a competing guild either A) Doesn't have comparable resources to compete against the other guild that does have those resources or B) Just doesn't want to.
4) Creating a raid scene where fledgling guilds actually have a shot at end-game loot. There aren't supposed to be 7+ guilds killing the end-game content no matter how you cut it. To be fair, there should also be earthquakes or simulated patch days that make this somewhat easier for small guilds to get their share.
5) Earthquakes and simulated repops. We were promised an average of 4 (and no less than 4) per month years ago. That average is probably closer to .05 or fewer repops per month and maybe distributed at a rate of around 10-12 per year. Again, absent leadership at the staff level.
Rules 1 and 2 are the real problems - the rest are really just a symptom of those.
JurisDictum
05-02-2016, 10:59 PM
3) The raid scene is artificial. Dating back to the early days of IB vs DA, a precedent was created that somehow 2 guilds should dominate the end game raid scene when EQ is obviously designed to really only have one. In recent years, we've created rules that restrict certain mechanics, disallow certain spells, prohibit the use of certain items, etc... because a competing guild either A) Doesn't have comparable resources to compete against the other guild that does have those resources or B) Just doesn't want to.
4) Creating a raid scene where fledgling guilds actually have a shot at end-game loot. There aren't supposed to be 7+ guilds killing the end-game content no matter how you cut it. To be fair, there should also be earthquakes or simulated patch days that make this somewhat easier for small guilds to get their share.
The rest of your post was a bunch of uninteresting bitching about how the server staff isn't treating this like a weekend job.
I don't think 3 was true until Velious. The pattern was often monopoly guilds in Kunark for a massive portion of the server history. The rules are tailored to A/A because we were the ones there. If you guys showed up and competed like we did you would soon have rules reflecting this. I think your deluding yourself if you think "fair rules" where our guilds compete on an equal competitive field, is what is preventing anyone from getting in the raid scene. Its the sheer commitment. You underestimate the commitment gap between A/A and other guilds.
There are a lot of things on this server that aren't like classic at all. I don't see why having more guilds get to the endgame is where you put your foot down. More guilds in the endgame is the logical extension of a server that was locked in Kunark for 6 years.
Ella`Ella
05-02-2016, 11:27 PM
The rest of your post was a bunch of uninteresting bitching about how the server staff isn't treating this like a weekend job.
I don't think 3 was true until Velious. The pattern was often monopoly guilds in Kunark for a massive portion of the server history. The rules are tailored to A/A because we were the ones there. If you guys showed up and competed like we did you would soon have rules reflecting this. I think your deluding yourself if you think "fair rules" where our guilds compete on an equal competitive field, is what is preventing anyone from getting in the raid scene. Its the sheer commitment. You underestimate the commitment gap between A/A and other guilds.
There are a lot of things on this server that aren't like classic at all. I don't see why having more guilds get to the endgame is where you put your foot down. More guilds in the endgame is the logical extension of a server that was locked in Kunark for 6 years.
I'm deluding myself and underestimate commitment? Who the fuck are you? Detoxx, give this kid a copy of my resume in the raid scene. I was pulling FTEs and training in VP before you got your first rusty short sword.
Even JCR knows better.
JurisDictum
05-02-2016, 11:41 PM
7388
You seemed to take me pointing out that A/A was more committed than other guilds currently as a personal insult.
jcr4990
05-02-2016, 11:43 PM
As dumb as Unbrella is sometimes he's mostly right in his last 2 posts
JurisDictum
05-02-2016, 11:48 PM
Dragons are in window as we speak. Nothing stopping ya guys. Nothing that would have stopped us.
In yet,
you guys are never there. Because you know the fruitlessness of it. You guys have your place on the train. We have ours.
bktroost
05-03-2016, 01:24 AM
to clarify my second point, if we want a completely organic non-GM structured raid fight, it would like this:
No Variance
Damage racing each mob at the spawn point
Training each other
Nice and lazziez-faire for you all. I'll tell you one thing, there would be a guild emerging that makes us all look like disorganized casuals.
No there wouldn't. We would all train each other until a full blown rotation was born. Every one of these raid guilds have blade stoppers, prayers of life, etc. We could certainly send two teams of monks with aggro clicks to ensure every mob in north ends up in the camp of anyone killing on someone else's day. In fact the entire server would probably work to ensure it.
It's the reverse scenario of the player made rotation we once had here. Any guild that tried to hard ball the rotation would get the training parade of a life time from all the others. In fact it only takes one guild with competent trainers with clicks to want a rotation and the others guilds have to comply. That or it's a war of attrition.
Some servers allowed that on live. Player made rules enforced by players who had the power to train each other legally.
maskedmelon
05-03-2016, 09:06 AM
No there wouldn't. We would all train each other until a full blown rotation was born. Every one of these raid guilds have blade stoppers, prayers of life, etc. We could certainly send two teams of monks with aggro clicks to ensure every mob in north ends up in the camp of anyone killing on someone else's day. In fact the entire server would probably work to ensure it.
It's the reverse scenario of the player made rotation we once had here. Any guild that tried to hard ball the rotation would get the training parade of a life time from all the others. In fact it only takes one guild with competent trainers with clicks to want a rotation and the others guilds have to comply. That or it's a war of attrition.
Some servers allowed that on live. Player made rules enforced by players who had the power to train each other legally.
5/5, I now see why you were elected Mayor.
Mistle
05-03-2016, 10:09 AM
Dragons are in window as we speak. Nothing stopping ya guys. Nothing that would have stopped us.
In yet,
you guys are never there. Because you know the fruitlessness of it. You guys have your place on the train. We have ours.
I am curious. Do you do the pulling for your guild? The MTing? Just wondering where you actually stand in the list to justify your belief in your superiority. I mean it must be something, right? Someone as clearly superior as you isnt just another guy who believes hitting autoattack or spamming two spells in the right guild makes him better than everyone else, right?
Right?
Kileras
05-03-2016, 11:59 AM
I am curious. Do you do the pulling for your guild? The MTing? Just wondering where you actually stand in the list to justify your belief in your superiority. I mean it must be something, right? Someone as clearly superior as you isnt just another guy who believes hitting autoattack or spamming two spells in the right guild makes him better than everyone else, right?
Right?
gotta be random shaman/druid #16
gotta be random shaman/druid #16
I'm curious on who was being cockbags to y'all after statue FTE last week. Name and shame pls
AnonymousFQ_099
05-03-2016, 12:28 PM
It is clear that what we need here is a compromise of both mentioned "play styles".
What if we had a rotation on raid mobs/areas, that rotated who your competition was on raid mobs/areas in a given day/week/respawn! Like setting up a schedule of sports matches! OMG that is such an awesome idea! You get to compete, and without the zerg force one we see constantly everywhere else.
We might see underdogs prevail OMG! Can you imagine!? Awakened Vs. Fire of Heaven. We could even place wagers with odds on these matches and make it an entire betting enterprise! I just might have come up with the best idea ever!!
JurisDictum
05-03-2016, 12:45 PM
I am curious. Do you do the pulling for your guild? The MTing? Just wondering where you actually stand in the list to justify your belief in your superiority. I mean it must be something, right? Someone as clearly superior as you isnt just another guy who believes hitting autoattack or spamming two spells in the right guild makes him better than everyone else, right?
Right?
You should probably view my comment in the context of the conversation. I -- against my self interest -- advocate against the current raid system. Then someone took issue with my rotation schemes and implied the reason they can't compete with A/A is "fair rules."
This is obviously horseshit.
Obviously any rules that don't mention specific guilds are symmetrical and therefore fair. Whether the enforcement of those rules is fair . . . well both sides would probably claim it is not.
Also JurisDoctor I am a bit disappointed that you are still hiding behind your anonymous cloak. The world wants to know if you really are Shaman#15 with 10% raid attendance.
Obviously any rules that don't mention specific guilds are symmetrical and therefore fair. Whether the enforcement of those rules is fair . . . well both sides would probably claim it is not.
Also JurisDoctor I am a bit disappointed that you are still hiding behind your anonymous cloak. The world wants to know if you really are Shaman#15 with 10% raid attendance.
Geeze, the irony in calling out anon posters when your guild has about half a dozen active ones running around. How cute.
<shrug> I forumquest under my real name
Until they come after your dkp.
Which they will, trust me.
JurisDictum
05-03-2016, 01:34 PM
The reason I don't say who exactly I am, is because I don't see what possible good could come of it. Not that I'm certain that people in the top guilds with GM connections couldn't find out.
I'll probably tell everyone before quit (probably well over a year from now) if anyone still cares. I do believe in keeping a bit of a historical record for people look at while their socking stuff if their interest. I found myself reading about all kinds of irrelevant nerd orders I was never a part of.
Swish
05-03-2016, 01:39 PM
Until they come after your dkp.
Which they will, trust me.
Another reason the raid scene here is terrible.
Until they come after your dkp.
Which they will, trust me.
I don't really flame anyone though. I don't care enough. I prefer to gently troll and have a little fun.
I don't really flame anyone though. I don't care enough. I prefer to gently troll and have a little fun.
Unless that rule has greatly changed, that doesn't matter.
Or they could have just been sick of my shit. Either is likely I guess.
Ella`Ella
05-03-2016, 02:04 PM
Unless that rule has greatly changed, that doesn't matter.
Or they could have just been sick of my shit. Either is likely I guess.
Doesn't matter, you found your way home.
jcr4990
05-03-2016, 02:06 PM
RNF bans are among the dumbest things that happen on this dumb server
http://i.imgur.com/DGqFMlr.gif
I support no ranting and flaming. But lightly trolling the opposition is the spice of life.
RNF bans are among the dumbest things that happen on this dumb server
http://i.imgur.com/DGqFMlr.gif
That gif is greatness
Swish
05-03-2016, 02:13 PM
RNF bans are among the dumbest things that happen on this dumb server
http://i.imgur.com/DGqFMlr.gif
You just broke the BDA code of conduct (again)
jcr4990
05-03-2016, 02:13 PM
That gif is greatness
Dude I've been sitting on that gif for like 2 weeks trying to find the perfect use for it cause its so awesome. This wasn't perfect I was just tired of waiting.
i plan on using it in RL regularly
Spyder73
05-03-2016, 02:36 PM
<shrug> I forumquest under my real name
Bomshell
I am Chest Rockwell
Swish
05-03-2016, 03:28 PM
Bomshell
I am Chest Rockwell
you interviewed yourself?
Maner
05-03-2016, 06:09 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Arguing that a Crown of Rile is a logical progression to be able to kill Velious Dragons is so stupid that it defies belief.
There is no good way for guilds to compete for raid mobs on Blue. Simultaneous repops are the only option and even that isn't great.
Went to Eabon's open raid this weekend; I almost forgot that the game is actually pretty fun when it's played the way it was intended.
Because this current evolution of racing is the way raiding was meant to be decided? Crown gives a considerable advantage to players racing, racing is a player agreement and not the way the game was meant to be played. To be fair neither is train pulling things to different zones. However it seems like it's stupidity on the side of casuals for asking for a system without thinking of this kind of stuff first. You shouldn't be able to restrict crowns just because you're guild isn't good enough to put forth the effort to kill trak. Why should you deserve to have an equal playing field in velious when you obviously skipped everything in kunark and now you are at a disadvantage?
Phantasm
05-03-2016, 06:21 PM
Try playing the game instead of complaining about it
Mistle
05-03-2016, 06:22 PM
The sad thing is guys like Maner really believe it was a matter of not "being good enough" to kill Trak.
Curious what makes you better than them Maner. What class is your main again?
Nirgon
05-03-2016, 06:41 PM
i tried to FTE the dragon but was blinded by the reflection of someone's lustrous russet armor
we need a sirken stream about this asap, i am real mad about it
Swish
05-03-2016, 06:51 PM
The sad thing is guys like Maner really believe it was a matter of not "being good enough" to kill Trak.
Curious what makes you better than them Maner. What class is your main again?
There's a difference between downing Trak, and downing Trak with 80 people in under 10 seconds and giving pats on the back all round for a job well done and taking selfies...then thinking "we're ready" for the next thing.
Obviously move that analogy to some Velious encounters.
Mistle
05-03-2016, 06:57 PM
But that's not what he's arguing. He says the 'casual guilds' weren't good enough to beat Trak, get teeth, move to VP, and get crowns of Rile. Clearly Maner believes he is better than them. He says it outright. So, I'd like to know what it is that makes him better. Should be a pretty easy question for him to answer, not sure why these A/A guys keep dodging it.
Ella`Ella
05-03-2016, 08:27 PM
Try playing the game instead of complaining about it
Says BDA?!
Phantasm
05-03-2016, 08:37 PM
Says BDA?!
I have always endorsed the notion of the people putting in the most effort netting whatever they can. Forrest Bump didn't stop and help those fishermen out when the hurricane struck, he made a fortune instead. If you are willing to invest that much into EQ, by all means I hope you get what you want out of it.
That said, I think its fair to say that every guild has casual and hardcore members. Sometimes their availability changes, it doesn't change how they want to behave competitively
Breaken
05-03-2016, 10:29 PM
But that's not what he's arguing. He says the 'casual guilds' weren't good enough to beat Trak, get teeth, move to VP, and get crowns of Rile. Clearly Maner believes he is better than them. He says it outright. So, I'd like to know what it is that makes him better. Should be a pretty easy question for him to answer, not sure why these A/A guys keep dodging it.
I don't know why you think that Maner speaks for Awakened. Please don't categorize us, and we won't categorize you.
Oleris
05-04-2016, 12:26 AM
shit needs to be reset to weekend. Having a 6 hour window to raid after work monday sucks.
Psionide
05-04-2016, 02:22 AM
Nerds still fighting over pixels on a 17 year old game that is an emu server meant for nostalgia. You're all equally pathetic.
Swish
05-04-2016, 09:40 AM
Try playing the game instead of complaining about it
Says BDA?!
Nailed it lol
shit needs to be reset to weekend. Having a 6 hour window to raid after work monday sucks.
gtfo you entitled casual
Swish
05-04-2016, 10:44 AM
Here comes the hate for people with jobs "not deserving" dragon pixels :o
Lammy
05-04-2016, 11:26 AM
mad because you can't 'work from home'
The mild irony in my post sailed over your head like an olympic pole jumper swish.
Nirgon
05-04-2016, 12:17 PM
still no answer to my petition or sirken stream about this
do they not take this kind of thing SERIOUSLY?
Gorillas
05-04-2016, 12:31 PM
gtfo you entitled casual
Why didn't you leave the server with your other fat friends?
zanderklocke
05-04-2016, 01:26 PM
Why didn't you leave the server with your other fat friends?
At first I thought this was about Nordenwatch and Tecmos, but now I realize that Loraen is more associated with Rampage than A-Team. That's weird to me.
Gorillas
05-04-2016, 02:33 PM
At first I thought this was about Nordenwatch and Tecmos, but now I realize that Loraen is more associated with Rampage than A-Team. That's weird to me.
You should leave too. As soon as you start being able to reference somones guild history like a History special, you should go outside
At first I thought this was about Nordenwatch and Tecmos, but now I realize that Loraen is more associated with Rampage than A-Team. That's weird to me.
i can't believe you interpreted my post literally after i just posted that I wasn't being literal
Cecily
05-04-2016, 02:53 PM
He didn't. He was talking to the obnoxious anon troll about how it's weird that people associate you more with Rampage now instead of A-team. Kinda like how, years ago, you said it was weird seeing me in TMO instead of fighting with the anti-TMO side like I had been so long.
You're still A-team to me.
Lojik
05-04-2016, 02:55 PM
At first I thought this was about Nordenwatch and Tecmos, but now I realize that Loraen is more associated with Rampage than A-Team. That's weird to me.
You should leave too. As soon as you start being able to reference somones guild history like a History special, you should go outside
A functioning memory is the first sign you don't belong here
Cecily
05-04-2016, 02:57 PM
I can't remember how many times I've been super pissed off at someone. And we eventually talk it over and let it go. Then I forget that conversation took place and resume hating that person.
CAN YOU EVER FORGIVE ME ZANDERR
Fazlazen
05-04-2016, 03:29 PM
Can one lease a crown of rile character for in-game currency?
Cecily
05-04-2016, 03:39 PM
You could follow someone clicking it. Come now Patsy, RnF is a silly place.
http://i.imgur.com/ZULvvRL.gif
zanderklocke
05-04-2016, 03:41 PM
CAN YOU EVER FORGIVE ME ZANDERR
Okay.
Pheer
05-04-2016, 05:36 PM
Can one lease a crown of rile character for in-game currency?
You could follow someone clicking it. Come now Patsy, RnF is a silly place.
http://i.imgur.com/ZULvvRL.gif
fucking lol'd hard
Maner
05-04-2016, 06:42 PM
But that's not what he's arguing. He says the 'casual guilds' weren't good enough to beat Trak, get teeth, move to VP, and get crowns of Rile. Clearly Maner believes he is better than them. He says it outright. So, I'd like to know what it is that makes him better. Should be a pretty easy question for him to answer, not sure why these A/A guys keep dodging it.
Obviously being good enough to beat trak also includes beating the other guilds going for him, on this server at least. Why not focus on making kunark more casual friendly than jumping right to NToV? Why not work on getting your guild through the kunark progression before you complain that you aren't seeing enough dragons in velious? I personally think racing is stupid, it requires much more man power than cothing did. It requires more man power than sitting a mage through chardok and leveling your own mages so you can compete at the coth pulling.
I have never soloed trak but I have killed him with 16 people so obviously it doesn't take 30-80 people to kill him. There have been times when we have cleared everything and then pulled trak, its not just coth racing, because there was no competition for him.
I haven't played on this server newarly as long as most people in my guild obviously, but I have 2 of my toons keyed for VP along with a friends cleric who just needs PS. It is not that much of a commitment to get a VP key, its just another excuse used by casuals who would rather have everything handed to them.
With all that spin, I am surprised you could even read my original post.
jcr4990
05-04-2016, 06:48 PM
I honestly can't even believe people are seriously promoting the idea that progressing through VP and farming multiple crowns before being able to contest Velious targets is reasonable.
Are these people batshit insane or am I on drugs?
Maner
05-04-2016, 06:56 PM
I honestly can't even believe people are seriously promoting the idea that progressing through VP and farming multiple crowns before being able to contest Velious targets is reasonable.
Are these people batshit insane or am I on drugs?
I never said that crowns should be usable, in fact I said the entire racing idea was dumb in my opinion. I just think using the argument that developers didn't put in the crown so people could get FTEs is stupid, as this entire racing idea isn't something the developers planned for either.
As far a logical progression goes, anon already admitted they don't have the keys for VP. So they aren't willing to put forth the time to key themselves and progress through the content that is there, why should they demand that everything be changed in ToV to cater to them as well? Why aren't they also demanding that the VP key be taken away so that anyone can zone in, isn't that the same type of argument?
If you're guild cant even commit 20 people to kill trak then where do you get off demanding that you deserve the same chance as everyone else at the best ToV mobs?
Freakish
05-04-2016, 07:05 PM
I have no problem with people using crowns, DA idols, shadowstep masks and whatever ingenious new strategy they find to be able to win a foot race. It's a stupid way to determine who gets the mob no matter who wins, time is wasted and i'd rather just turn everything into a Noble type situation with no variance. Hell, put a 2 person limit on jav spamming and give everything a 1 hour variance, still better than making people stare at the screen with nothing happening for 2/3 of the day.
Mistle
05-04-2016, 07:08 PM
Obviously being good enough to beat trak also includes beating the other guilds going for him, on this server at least.
And that is due to you, is it?
I have never soloed trak but I have killed him with 16 people so obviously it doesn't take 30-80 people to kill him.
You are aware that the top guilds have a gear advantage gained long before you even joined the server that permits them to do this where smaller casual guilds cannot, and therefore can always engage earlier than they can in coth races?
I haven't played on this server newarly as long as most people in my guild obviously, but I have 2 of my toons keyed for VP along with a friends cleric who just needs PS. It is not that much of a commitment to get a VP key, its just another excuse used by casuals who would rather have everything handed to them.
Did you get your VP keys with a guild that is still trying to get regular Trak keys and can't field a full VP raid or did you stand on the shoulders of those who came before you?
With all that spin, I am surprised you could even read my original post.
On the contrary I greatly enjoy reading how summer children such as yourself (someone who reaps the benefits of things that happened long before you ever looted your first rusty dagger) deserve things so much more than other people while being utterly unaware that you are completely interchangeable with any of those filthy casuals you look down on without anyone blinking an eye. The ironic thing is you actually think it's OTHER people who want things handed to them after pretty much embodying it yourself. Heh.
Maner
05-04-2016, 07:18 PM
And that is due to you, is it?
You are aware that the top guilds have a gear advantage gained long before you even joined the server that permits them to do this where smaller casual guilds cannot, and therefore can always engage earlier than they can in coth races?
Did you get your VP keys with a guild that is still trying to get regular Trak keys and can't field a full VP raid or did you stand on the shoulders of those who came before you?
On the contrary I greatly enjoy reading how summer children such as yourself (someone who reaps the benefits of things that happened long before you ever looted your first rusty dagger) deserve things so much more than other people while being utterly unaware that you are completely interchangeable with any of those filthy casuals you look down on without anyone blinking an eye. The ironic thing is you actually think it's OTHER people who want things handed to them after pretty much embodying it yourself. Heh.
I literally said in the next line that I never soloed trak, I have tracked him though so yes, on the kills I was there tracking and one of the first 10 cothed, yes, it was partly because of me.
I got my VP key in a guild that was still actively going after trak for keys to get into VP yes, indignation to be specific. So where is that gear advantage you were talking about? I got my key in indignation when we killed trak with 20 people.
I don't know where I said I personally deserve anything. I was nothing but another warm body for the people who had been here for years to use when I joined AM. Since then I have come to comprehend how the raid scene works and how to best use my time to benefit my guild. I am sorry that for some reason this line of thinking is offensive to you, I never claimed to be anything more than I am. you just apparently have the comprehension of a liberal.
When I joined AM I had 50% RA but RL and repops happened and now I am working to try and bring my attendance back up to a respectable level. I never put in for a Loot council item when it was just forsaken, and I haven't even bid on anything in months. I don't consider myself "hardcore", I show up to raids when I am at home and the batphone goes off, or I just shrug it off to real life and don't worry.
It is however pretty eye opening seeing how upset this game makes you. Perhaps you should take a step back and find a better direction to take your life.
Xaanka
05-04-2016, 07:22 PM
not reading any of this blue shit about foot races JESUS christ u guys need to get laid once in a while or find some kind of happiness in your lives that isnt tied to a dying emulated elf game
Xaanka
05-04-2016, 07:23 PM
I never said that crowns should be usable, in fact I said the entire racing idea was dumb in my opinion. I just think using the argument that developers didn't put in the crown so people could get FTEs is stupid, as this entire racing idea isn't something the developers planned for either.
As far a logical progression goes, anon already admitted they don't have the keys for VP. So they aren't willing to put forth the time to key themselves and progress through the content that is there, why should they demand that everything be changed in ToV to cater to them as well? Why aren't they also demanding that the VP key be taken away so that anyone can zone in, isn't that the same type of argument?
If you're guild cant even commit 20 people to kill trak then where do you get off demanding that you deserve the same chance as everyone else at the best ToV mobs?
I have no problem with people using crowns, DA idols, shadowstep masks and whatever ingenious new strategy they find to be able to win a foot race. It's a stupid way to determine who gets the mob no matter who wins, time is wasted and i'd rather just turn everything into a Noble type situation with no variance. Hell, put a 2 person limit on jav spamming and give everything a 1 hour variance, still better than making people stare at the screen with nothing happening for 2/3 of the day.
And that is due to you, is it?
You are aware that the top guilds have a gear advantage gained long before you even joined the server that permits them to do this where smaller casual guilds cannot, and therefore can always engage earlier than they can in coth races?
Did you get your VP keys with a guild that is still trying to get regular Trak keys and can't field a full VP raid or did you stand on the shoulders of those who came before you?
On the contrary I greatly enjoy reading how summer children such as yourself (someone who reaps the benefits of things that happened long before you ever looted your first rusty dagger) deserve things so much more than other people while being utterly unaware that you are completely interchangeable with any of those filthy casuals you look down on without anyone blinking an eye. The ironic thing is you actually think it's OTHER people who want things handed to them after pretty much embodying it yourself. Heh.
I literally said in the next line that I never soloed trak, I have tracked him though so yes, on the kills I was there tracking and one of the first 10 cothed, yes, it was partly because of me.
I got my VP key in a guild that was still actively going after trak for keys to get into VP yes, indignation to be specific. So where is that gear advantage you were talking about? I got my key in indignation when we killed trak with 20 people.
I don't know where I said I personally deserve anything. I was nothing but another warm body for the people who had been here for years to use when I joined AM. Since then I have come to comprehend how the raid scene works and how to best use my time to benefit my guild. I am sorry that for some reason this line of thinking is offensive to you, I never claimed to be anything more than I am. you just apparently have the comprehension of a liberal.
When I joined AM I had 50% RA but RL and repops happened and now I am working to try and bring my attendance back up to a respectable level. I never put in for a Loot council item when it was just forsaken, and I haven't even bid on anything in months. I don't consider myself "hardcore", I show up to raids when I am at home and the batphone goes off, or I just shrug it off to real life and don't worry.
It is however pretty eye opening seeing how upset this game makes you. Perhaps you should take a step back and find a better direction to take your life.
embarrassing posts
jcr4990
05-04-2016, 07:28 PM
anon already admitted they don't have the keys for VP.
Pretty sure that's exactly what they're working on right now. You're saying they shouldn't be able to contest anything in Velious til they're fully VP keyed? So once they're all keyed they can contest? Or do they have to kill a dragon first? Multiple dragons? All of them? How many times each?
Just wanna be clear on what arbitrary bullshit barriers to entry we're talking about.
Maner
05-04-2016, 07:37 PM
Pretty sure that's exactly what they're working on right now. You're saying they shouldn't be able to contest anything in Velious til they're fully VP keyed? So once they're all keyed they can contest? Or do they have to kill a dragon first? Multiple dragons? All of them? How many times each?
Just wanna be clear on what arbitrary bullshit barriers to entry we're talking about.
What barriers at entry? my argument is with them saying its too much work so they don't bother but then demanding everyone else cater to them not wanting to do the work. There is no barrier to compete in ToV, there wasn't a barrier before and there isn't one now. The only "barrier" apparently is that you or your guild doesn't have enough crowns to compete. So yet again, those with the items are forced not to use them, due to those unwilling to put forth the effort to get them.
The only barriers that were in place "restricting" ToV were those barriers implemented by the casual guilds. The same excuses they used to get the rules changed to racing, are the same excuses they used to convince themselves that they have some right to ToV without having to put forth as much effort as others.
Mistle
05-04-2016, 07:39 PM
I literally said in the next line that I never soloed trak, I have tracked him though so yes, on the kills I was there tracking and one of the first 10 cothed, yes, it was partly because of me.
So actually, unlike what you said before, it is not because you are BETTER than other guilds, but because you can afford to put in the time to track 16 hours of variance with a ready raid force?
I got my VP key in a guild that was still actively going after trak for keys to get into VP yes, indignation to be specific. So where is that gear advantage you were talking about? I got my key in indignation when we killed trak with 20 people.
And the story changes. First its 16, now its 20, and its not during the top guilds fighting to hold other guilds down. Interesting.
I don't know where I said I personally deserve anything.
Yet you seem completely comfortable in saying that people in other guilds don't, despite not doing anything any better than them. Also interesting.
I was nothing but another warm body for the people who had been here for years to use when I joined AM.
You still are.
you just apparently have the comprehension of a liberal.
That is pretty funny. However, in truth, the proper analogy isn't that "casuals are filthy liberals", it's that you and other warm body newcomers are like the grandchildren of Rockefeller, rich because of the accomplishments of those who came before you, but completely immaterial to the process of ever becoming so. You're one of those who was put on third base because you joined a guild, and think you hit a triple. There is no one more undeservedly entitled than that, "liberal" or not.
It is however pretty eye opening seeing how upset this game makes you. Perhaps you should take a step back and find a better direction to take your life.
Projection at its finest.
Maner
05-04-2016, 07:48 PM
So actually, unlike what you said before, it is not because you are BETTER than other guilds, but because you can afford to put in the time to track 16 hours of variance with a ready raid force?
And the story changes. First its 16, now its 20, and its not during the top guilds fighting to hold other guilds down. Interesting.
Yet you seem completely comfortable in saying that people in other guilds don't, despite not doing anything any better than them. Also interesting.
You still are.
That is pretty funny. However, in truth, the proper analogy isn't that "casuals are filthy liberals", it's that you and other warm body newcomers are like the grandchildren of Rockefeller, rich because of the accomplishments of those who came before you, but completely immaterial to the process of ever becoming so. You're one of those who was put on third base because you joined a guild, and think you hit a triple. There is no one more undeservedly entitled than that, "liberal" or not.
Projection at its finest.
Where did I say it was because one guild was "better" that they deserved to be in ToV and the other doesn't?
16 is the lowest I have personally killed trak with, however when I got my VP key it was with a 20 person raid while in indignation. Try to keep up kiddo
I am completely comfortable in saying that if you don't put forth the same amount of effort you have no room to complain when you don't receive the same results. Its called life kid. As I stated, the amount of effort I have been able to put into this game the last few months has been negligible compared to what I was able to do when I started. I haven't bid on anything in months because I don't feel I deserve it, funny how that works. If I am willing to put in 14 hours tracking something and still have a real life, why cant anon, BDA, or CSG?
Except unlike some other "warm bodies" I will face track for 14 hours straight when I have nothing better to do.
I am not so deluded to think that I didn't skip steps in the raid scene on this server. I joined indignation which soon after merged with asgard, however I left asgard with some other indignation members to join forsaken. I have never claimed anything other than that, no matter how much you want to think I have.
Projecting, as I have stated I haven't even bid for an item in months, so why would missing targets make me upset? I couldn't be any less upset about what goes on, on this server. no matter how much you wish it was the opposite, you're obviously the only one getting upset here.
Freakish
05-04-2016, 07:50 PM
embarrassing posts
Really don't care what someone sucking on a butt plug has to say.
Mistle
05-04-2016, 08:25 PM
Where did I say it was because one guild was "better" that they deserved to be in ToV and the other doesn't?
You shouldn't be able to restrict crowns just because you're guild isn't good enough
16 is the lowest I have personally killed trak with, however when I got my VP key it was with a 20 person raid while in indignation. Try to keep up kiddo
Not having any trouble staying well ahead of you. Just getting you to admit you're still standing on the shoulders of others.
I am completely comfortable in saying that if you don't put forth the same amount of effort
Hey as long as I get you to admit its actually just the ability to track for sixteen hours and win FTEs with items that your guild gained while you were not even on the server, thats all that really matters. You seem laughably obsessed with calling other people "liberals" like it's an insult for anything beyond to matter, lol.
you have no room to complain when you don't receive the same results.
On the contrary people put in plenty of effort, but cannot match much larger guilds manpower.
Its called life kid.
This is life to you? It's a game to me. Interesting.
Projecting, as I have stated I haven't even bid for an item in months, so why would missing targets make me upset? I couldn't be any less upset about what goes on, on this server. no matter how much you wish it was the opposite, you're obviously the only one getting upset here.
Not even remotely. You don't read people very well at all. Heh.
Maner
05-04-2016, 08:52 PM
Not having any trouble staying well ahead of you. Just getting you to admit you're still standing on the shoulders of others.
Hey as long as I get you to admit its actually just the ability to track for sixteen hours and win FTEs with items that your guild gained while you were not even on the server, thats all that really matters. You seem laughably obsessed with calling other people "liberals" like it's an insult for anything beyond to matter, lol.
On the contrary people put in plenty of effort, but cannot match much larger guilds manpower.
This is life to you? It's a game to me. Interesting.
Not even remotely. You don't read people very well at all. Heh.
Keep thinking that, I guess. I very specifically admitted that when I joined the raid scene I wasn't familiar with it. However when you spend 8+ months raiding at the top level you do start to become familiar with it.
Where did I ever claim or infer anything different? The liberal part comes from you obvious need to spin what someone says until it points in the direction you want it to. Keep arguing points I am not trying to make then blaming me for everything wrong in your life.
The idea that, what you get depends on what you put in, applies to life the same way it does to getting results in a 15 year old elf simulator. I am sorry that the connection is too hard for you to comprehend.
If a guild isn't good enough to put forth the effort to compete at the level others do, why do they deserve the same chance at getting pixels? Meaning if their members are not willing to put forth the effort to get the loot they want then why should it just be given to them?
As proven by what? another probably butt hurt BDA member? I am sorry that your guild isn't willing to put forth the effort that others do, but I am sure one of the two guilds who do put forth the effort are accepting applications
Ella`Ella
05-04-2016, 08:57 PM
He didn't. He was talking to the obnoxious anon troll about how it's weird that people associate you more with Rampage now instead of A-team. Kinda like how, years ago, you said it was weird seeing me in TMO instead of fighting with the anti-TMO side like I had been so long.
You're still A-team to me.
You'll always be FE scum to me. <3
bspa0700
05-04-2016, 09:06 PM
Please inform me who the Asgardian tracking heroes are compared to those that were putting in the time from Forsaken. Warm bodies that respond to batphones are great and all, but let's not act as if that's the hard part. Nalken, Gimp, Fifield...y'all don't have anyone anywhere near the same stratosphere of those 3.
Guilds fail and succeed on the strength of their trackers (now racers).
Then of course there's this little fun tidbit from your merger:
Guild Leader: Detoxx
Second in Command: Reep
But, yes, I'm sure Forsaken would completely agree that this was a marriage of equals and also call me completely misinformed.
You don't know as much about us as you think you do.
Mistle
05-04-2016, 09:21 PM
Keep thinking that, I guess. I very specifically admitted that when I joined the raid scene I wasn't familiar with it. However when you spend 8+ months raiding at the top level you do start to become familiar with it.
So? Does being familiar with it make you better than line member #6437?
So far all you've established is you think you're better than others because you can afford to spend fourteen hours tracking. You kinda embody why so many people look at the people in the endgame of this server like they are the guy from the WoW south park episode.
Where did I ever claim or infer anything different? The liberal part comes from you obvious need to spin what someone says until it points in the direction you want it to. Keep arguing points I am not trying to make then blaming me for everything wrong in your life.
More funny stuff. Lol.
http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_super/0/5442/860274-libs.jpg
The idea that, what you get depends on what you put in, applies to life the same way it does to getting results in a 15 year old elf simulator. I am sorry that the connection is too hard for you to comprehend.
Hey you just admitted you think P99 is life, I'm not gonna be too worried about what you think is too hard for me to comprehend any time soon. :D
If a guild isn't good enough to put forth the effort to compete at the level others do, why do they deserve the same chance at getting pixels? Meaning if their members are not willing to put forth the effort to get the loot they want then why should it just be given to them?
Of course not a single person has asked for anything to be given to them, but hey, keep beating that strawman to death! I do find it odd that you somehow believe that because you're off the spectrum of neckbeardiness that means no one else should get *anything*...
As proven by what? another probably butt hurt BDA member? I am sorry that your guild isn't willing to put forth the effort that others do, but I am sure one of the two guilds who do put forth the effort are accepting applications
Yep, follow you, right? Get into one of em and get carried all the way up. Does the ego to believe you had anything to do with it come free or is it installed later?
Mistle
05-04-2016, 09:22 PM
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I mean, anyone can succeed here as long as you are willing to either a) track long hours or b) join a zerg guild.
The question is why the staff like it this way.
Rararboker
05-04-2016, 09:37 PM
Mistle, it is time to stop posting. You are embarrassing yourself.
Mistle
05-04-2016, 09:53 PM
Fellow AM member comes in to try to rescue Maner's horrible performance. It's okay, Rarar. He'll be all right.
Swish
05-04-2016, 10:30 PM
I mean, anyone can succeed here as long as you are willing to either a) track long hours or b) join a zerg guild.
The question is why the staff like it this way.
jcr4990
05-05-2016, 12:00 AM
The same excuses they used to get the rules changed to racing
Uhh.. Pretty sure Detoxx was one of the major pushers for the racing rules we currently have unless I'm mistaken? These forums were lit up by post after post from certain A/A members basically saying "Hey casuals us good A/A guys have decided to throw u a bone and push for these racing rules to even the playing field" when we all know it was because they were burning out doing things the way they had been doing them and wanted to lessen their own burden. But it seems to have backfired a bit on them with unlimited racers making racing more work than cothing but that's besides the point.
I don't know what "casuals" you're talking about that were pushing for these racing rules. Chest has been very openly vocal about his dislike for them since they were first put on the table. At first I honestly thought they might be a good solution but facts are facts. Outside of earthquakes how many "racing" targets have gone to a guild outside A/A? Anon got 1 statue FTE with an EXTREMELY lucky bow proc from a mile away. I think LITERALLY every other target since the birth of new race rules has gone to A/A. Correct me if I'm wrong? I may have missed one or two. But even if I did the point still stands. It's obviously not "leveling the playing field" like it was intended to.
Scryll
05-05-2016, 12:21 AM
The 60min rule when you "win" an FTE has made the raiding scene boring as fuck. There is no challenge anymore.....
TheDuck
05-05-2016, 01:46 AM
should come to red, mobs are up for days we are super casual < Tempest > is the biggest and only guild on red99.
there is no real pvp, just no lines for items, and no pvp schedual
Cecily
05-05-2016, 02:06 AM
The 60min rule when you "win" an FTE has made the raiding scene boring as fuck. There is no challenge anymore.....
The "challenge" was always getting the FTE. If you lose it, you lose most of the time. You're just complaining about having to wait and see. People bitch so much about having to play this game, it's unbelievable. Maybe if you didn't spend the past 16 hours staring at empty rooms, you wouldn't mind waiting an hour on something going FFA.
Troubled
05-05-2016, 02:09 AM
Uhh.. Pretty sure Detoxx was one of the major pushers for the racing rules we currently have unless I'm mistaken? These forums were lit up by post after post from certain A/A members basically saying "Hey casuals us good A/A guys have decided to throw u a bone and push for these racing rules to even the playing field" when we all know it was because they were burning out doing things the way they had been doing them and wanted to lessen their own burden. But it seems to have backfired a bit on them with unlimited racers making racing more work than cothing but that's besides the point.
I don't know what "casuals" you're talking about that were pushing for these racing rules. Chest has been very openly vocal about his dislike for them since they were first put on the table. At first I honestly thought they might be a good solution but facts are facts. Outside of earthquakes how many "racing" targets have gone to a guild outside A/A? Anon got 1 statue FTE with an EXTREMELY lucky bow proc from a mile away. I think LITERALLY every other target since the birth of new race rules has gone to A/A. Correct me if I'm wrong? I may have missed one or two. But even if I did the point still stands. It's obviously not "leveling the playing field" like it was intended to.
Does Chest have a solution or is he going against the grain just because someone else suggested it and it's a conspiracy? Put up or shut up.
Troubled
05-05-2016, 02:11 AM
should come to red, mobs are up for days we are super casual < Tempest > is the biggest and only guild on red99.
there is no real pvp, just no lines for items, and no pvp schedual
Looks like a mess just witnessing tonight. Was on for 15 minutes and it was an LnS situation because of trains from the opposing side that go unregulated.
Outside of earthquakes how many "racing" targets have gone to a guild outside A/A? Anon got 1 statue FTE with an EXTREMELY lucky bow proc from a mile away. I think LITERALLY every other target since the birth of new race rules has gone to A/A. Correct me if I'm wrong? I may have missed one or two. But even if I did the point still stands. It's obviously not "leveling the playing field" like it was intended to.
CSG got an Ikatiar FTE this week, but were unable to even get him engaged before their hour passed and Awakened sniped it from them.
I agree though, the only thing that can come even close to fixing the raid scene are weekly quakes. Remove all 7 day boss respawn timers, have like a 24 hour window every Sunday or whatever for the quake to happen, keep the current FTE rules I guess to make things slightly less chaotic...
Seems pretty simple, no? Who would have an issue with this? Everyone gets mobs, much less burnout and socking, seems like a win to me.
jcr4990
05-05-2016, 05:01 AM
Does Chest have a solution or is he going against the grain just because someone else suggested it and it's a conspiracy? Put up or shut up.
I'm not sure exactly which solution Chest prefers you'd have to ask him but almost all of us that raid in this game know of and agree on some solutions. The issue is the staff can't/won't make them happen. Repops are HANDS DOWN the most fun I have playing this game. If they happened anywhere NEAR the amount we were told they would happen I don't think we'd be having all these discussions about how fucked everything is all the time. Not everyone agrees on the exact details of how often/when they should happen but I haven't met 1 person that thinks more earthquakes is a bad idea. Make earthquakes automatically happen once a week with some kind of variance and I guarantee you 90% of the issues are gone.
The second solution is cutting variance drastically. Again not everyone agrees on exactly how much but almost everyone agrees (Except Sirken for some reason) it should be less than 16 hours. It's absolutely absurd that people are staring at spawnpoints for up to 16 hrs straight multiple times a week just to get a CHANCE at getting FTE on some dragon. I personally think windows should be somewhere around 4 hours. As it currently stands almost nobody in BDA is willing/able to facetrack/bindsight targets for 16 hr windows. Judging by how few people from other guilds outside A/A are showing up for the races I can safely assume that the same is the case for all the other guilds too. I can almost guarantee the vast majority of A/A members are totally unwilling to do it too. They just ride on the coat tails of their hardcore supernerd members that do it for them. What do you think the chances are that more ppl would show up and be willing to race if they knew it was a max of 4 hours instead of 16? I'd say pretty fucking high. I know I'd show up a lot more. We also need a max racers per guild rule really badly and a ban on Crown of Rile despite whatever the fuck Aftermath says.
Third possible solution is a rotation but I really don't like this idea much myself. There's too many guilds that would want a spot on the rotation for everything. People would try to weasel multiple rotation slots for guilds belonging to the same alliance. A/A would almost guaranteed form alt guilds to clog up the rotation further. It'd require a lot of rules that people will bitch endlessly about just to make it work decently. I can already hear the sound of Swish typing up a shitpost "Something something BDA something rotation something something cats.gif"
Swish
05-05-2016, 06:25 AM
Third possible solution is a rotation but I really don't like this idea much myself. There's too many guilds that would want a spot on the rotation for everything. People would try to weasel multiple rotation slots for guilds belonging to the same alliance. A/A would almost guaranteed form alt guilds to clog up the rotation further. It'd require a lot of rules that people will bitch endlessly about just to make it work decently. I can already hear the sound of Swish typing up a shitpost "Something something BDA something rotation something something cats.gif"
Rotations are bad because Swish herpa derp :rolleyes:
Actually rotations won't work because you guys fucked up the last one with your pixel grab attempts, shutting out small guilds, forcing them to disband... and making Omni/AG/Europa all work together because that was the only way they could level the playing field in terms of the numbers you and Taken were bringing to Trakanon/Sev/etc.
Happy to keep reminding you and the rest of the community of that. Dance around the facts all you like, they're still facts. You guys shit on your own doorstep and now want another rotation... that's just lol.
So I take it right now BDA is a "casual guild" by default because despite being able they're not willing to compete? Shall we pretend you guys are just doing planar clears and the occasional HoT raid because that's all you're capable of?
Rararboker
05-05-2016, 08:01 AM
Fellow AM member comes in to try to rescue Maner's horrible performance. It's okay, Rarar. He'll be all right.
It's okay guy. He is doing fine. You are the one making statements that make no sense. I'm trying to help you. Help me help you.
Mistle
05-05-2016, 09:18 AM
Swish, agree or disagree: a spot in a rotation should only be held by a raid force capable of beating the target.
As for what BDA wants, I have never heard it ask for a rotation now. BDA would work with any agreement the players make if it is fair. Racing, rotation, lockouts whatever. What BDA no longer has the patience for is sitting a dozen people for FTE and more for tracking for sixteen hours where one second distraction means all that time was wasted, over and over. Its neither fair nor sane to ask members to do this for pixels, especially for the smallest of the five raiding groups. If that is what Sirken thinks is reasonable effort for elf pixels then the best option is simy not to play until someone with for of a clue becomes GM. Over a hundred nearly two hundred man-hours for a single mob? The amount a normal person works in an entire month? Only Sirken and the drooling neckbeards of AM could think that is even remotely reasonable.
As for the white knight here, the important thing is that YOU believe it. Maybe Maner will sleep with you once you prove your love, right? :D
Swish
05-05-2016, 09:40 AM
Swish, agree or disagree: a spot in a rotation should only be held by a raid force capable of beating the target.
As for what BDA wants, I have never heard it ask for a rotation now. BDA would work with any agreement the players make if it is fair. Racing, rotation, lockouts whatever. What BDA no longer has the patience for is sitting a dozen people for FTE and more for tracking for sixteen hours where one second distraction means all that time was wasted, over and over. Its neither fair nor sane to ask members to do this for pixels, especially for the smallest of the five raiding groups. If that is what Sirken thinks is reasonable effort for elf pixels then the best option is simy not to play until someone with for of a clue becomes GM. Over a hundred nearly two hundred man-hours for a single mob? The amount a normal person works in an entire month? Only Sirken and the drooling neckbeards of AM could think that is even remotely reasonable.
As for the white knight here, the important thing is that YOU believe it. Maybe Maner will sleep with you once you prove your love, right? :D
While long variance and making life sacrifices for pixels is ridiculous, history shows us that even if the casual guilds work something out... within that a certain guild will probably tow the line for a while before thinking "actually, we can get more for ourselves now that this has been set up".
So in essence, give the dog a bone and it won't share for longer than necessary.
Of course the guild in question should be able to take down the target, but what the server has no consideration for is patience, to let these guilds learn encounters in order to beat them.
That's where Moonlight Crusaders and Supremacy met their end. BDA decide that casual guilds who can't already do the content aren't worth keeping on the rotation...and therefore you get a stale raid scene with the same old same old guilds (with their ex-MC/Supremacy apps), same old raid leaders getting the same old pixels.
What would be good for the longevity of the raid scene on blue is letting the leveling guilds who want to raid.... raid.
You sadly can't trust the top end of the casual guilds not to dick on smaller "true" casual guilds, and that's why a rotation won't work.
Nirgon
05-05-2016, 09:46 AM
without GM enforcement, ya
Suggesting anything working here without enforcement here would be similar to saying "if you break the rules please remember to take a week off on your own because you deserve punishment, this applies to guilds too not just individuals"
gms only enforce forum chat
Man0warr
05-05-2016, 10:56 AM
Rotations are bad because Swish herpa derp :rolleyes:
Actually rotations won't work because you guys fucked up the last one with your pixel grab attempts, shutting out small guilds, forcing them to disband... and making Omni/AG/Europa all work together because that was the only way they could level the playing field in terms of the numbers you and Taken were bringing to Trakanon/Sev/etc.
What the hell are you talking about? CSG was a thing way before the rotation ended. They formed so they could kill their rotation slots at all hours because individually they sometimes didn't have the numbers to kill it before the timer ran out and mobs went FFA for Class C to scoop them up.
No idea what you are talking about with Moonlight Crusaders/Supremacy either - everyone was allowed in the rotation. Even Lord Bob and Genocidal Tendencies were part of it until they decided they didn't want to actually wait in line like everyone else.
Mistle
05-05-2016, 11:09 AM
As much as I don't really care for some of Aftermath, I find it ironic you calling Maner for "superiority complex", when you think you speak for all of BDA and they appointed you their spokesman.
The raid scene was never designed for this many people or guilds, as has been already stated. The ones that put in the effort for tracking and devote their lives to this game, should be rewarded more. There are plenty of ways to snipe mobs outside of ToV which will get you better at pulling and become more efficient.
I agree that every guild can kill any mob in the game, with the right numbers and time. The difference is there are guilds(A/A) that have more members with basic knowledge of games mechanics and how to kill these mobs more effectively. It isn't improbable to work your way up from Kunark mobs but everyone always wants to the newest and best gear and mobs. Shit just doesn't work that way.
I've seen forum bots make more coherent counterarguments than this guy. Your post is inexcusably awful. Redo it, and when you do try to have it address something actually said. The fact you think "more of" equals "virtually all of" or that it is "skill" determning anything (another replaceable line member who thinks his guildtag conferred on him magical abilities beyond other people?) is hilarious.
It's honestly like you are just picking up English now but don't yet have the skill to do more than type random words and hope they form a sentence.
Lojik
05-05-2016, 11:15 AM
Full variance, +-7 days with chance for extended windows...but also sim repops 1-2 times a month (doubt staff would do more than that.)
a spot in a rotation should only be held by a raid force capable of beating the target.
Of course. The question is whether that raid force should be capable of defeating that dragon at 4AM on Christmas Eve.
Arguing about all this dumb shit while we should all be thinking about how many happy hour margaritas we're gonna have after work
Sodors Finest Poster
05-05-2016, 11:57 AM
Arguing about all this dumb shit while we should all be thinking about how many happy hour margaritas we're gonna have after work
The reality is that I'll probably pass out on the couch while watching Thomas and Friends: Day of the Diesels.
xexbis0
05-05-2016, 12:01 PM
Of course. The question is whether that raid force should be capable of defeating that dragon at 4AM on Christmas Eve.
It's never made sense to lump all raid forces together in the same tier. Nor should the lesser tier be entitled to certain zones or mobs. It's the easiest and only way a rotation would get done.
I truly fail to see where C/R/FFA failed other than those banging the drum that the rotation fell apart. That very same rotation with ToV being the new VP would work splendidly. There's only 3 separate entities capable of killing Velious mobs. There's no reason to force an R rotation and frankly there's no one outside of those 3 R entities even close to being able to kill King Tormax/CT/Yelinak etc. Every single R class guild gets what they want. BDA has the force to kill and doesn't have to track...much. CSG can crawl all they want in their 4 hours or whatever. Anon/Div don't really have a stance and prefer to stay low. They can just do their thing and take the pressure off the goals of their collective moving forward.
And they won't be in your precious ToV zone at all. Best of all. They don't have a say in what you do. They can't complain. They can't plop at 4 way. Race/CoTH? Not up to them. Communicating with them? Nope. Training them? Nope. I highly doubt you would even see the majority of the FFA mobs contested at all by anyone but Awakened/Aftermath. The R guilds would have their own goals to focus on, primarily making sure they are ready when their number is called for certain mobs every 9 weeks.
EXTRA BONUS: Class R would be locked out of certain epic mobs, allowing Class C to truly have a shot at their Green Scales, White Scales, Wiz Staff, Fay Water, etc.
P.S. - Can we please make golems raid mobs? These temple squatters are craziness.
Spyder73
05-05-2016, 12:05 PM
The ones that put in the effort for tracking and devote their lives to this game, should be rewarded more. There are plenty of ways to snipe mobs outside of ToV which will get you better at pulling and become more efficient.
The forums depress me sometimes - might be time to evac out of Norrath
snead
05-05-2016, 12:20 PM
CSG got an Ikatiar FTE this week, but were unable to even get him engaged before their hour passed and Awakened sniped it from them.
I agree though, the only thing that can come even close to fixing the raid scene are weekly quakes. Remove all 7 day boss respawn timers, have like a 24 hour window every Sunday or whatever for the quake to happen, keep the current FTE rules I guess to make things slightly less chaotic...
Seems pretty simple, no? Who would have an issue with this? Everyone gets mobs, much less burnout and socking, seems like a win to me.
+1
vampyro
05-05-2016, 12:35 PM
Could always open another TOV zone so there is 2 and do a rotation. After all, nothing is classic about this server.
Just for clarity, not in A/A or any high end raiding guild anymore.
Left Awakened eh?
jcr4990
05-05-2016, 12:51 PM
How did I know this moran would pull the "BDA killed the rotation now wants another one!" card? Could you possibly be any more predictable? Let me point something out real quick. Since you didn't bother to read through my full post I'll just bold the important parts so hopefully you can comprehend.
You guys shit on your own doorstep and now want another rotation... that's just lol.
Third possible solution is a rotation but I really don't like this idea much myself.
I don't speak for all of BDA. But I can honestly tell you that I haven't really heard anyone in guild talk about wanting a rotation again. I personally don't really want one but if that's the ONLY way to end the 16 hr facetracking then racing 30 other people for FTE madness then I'd deal with it. The biggest reason the rotation would suck is people like you Swish. If you open the rotation up to every joe schmoe leveling guild do you not realize how bloated it'll become? All it does is encourage people to split up into splinter guilds to abuse the rotation system for a bigger slice of the pixel pie. If we're going to allow 27 guilds into the rotation and everyone gets 1 mob a year then we're no better off than we are right now. Even the casualest of the casual guilds can get lucky and get a mob on a repop once in a while. What's so evil and wrong about expecting people that want to raid to join a raiding guild? How many raiding guilds do you really think 1 classic EQ server can handle?
jcr4990
05-05-2016, 12:55 PM
I'm not sure how we fix it, I'd say a good start is limiting the amount of racers guilds can have. If Sirken's intentions were to burn out the hardcore raiders to allow the casuals to eventually get some pixels, well then the current rule set is working as intended because having 20 people standing at a door is not sustainable.
Why do we need Sirken to lay out this rule for us. Have A/A leadership tried discussing this and coming to a player agreement to limit racers per guild?
Why do we need Sirken to lay out this rule for us. Have A/A leadership tried discussing this and coming to a player agreement to limit racers per guild?
Awakened wouldn't agree to it because "they don't want to exclude anyone"
pugnacious
05-05-2016, 01:05 PM
[QUOTE=jcr4990;2264645]How did I know this moran would pull the "BDA killed the rotation now wants another one!" card? Could you possibly be any more predictable? Let me point something out real quick. Since you didn't bother to read through my full post I'll just bold the important parts so hopefully you can comprehend.
moran = moron. Am I right?
While I understand why the rule is in place, it has completely trivialized the end game content.
It definitely has it's advantages, but if you aren't racing you are completely superfluous at the moment, which I dislike.
Legday
05-05-2016, 01:43 PM
Being forced to snap pulling Vulak/Vyemm/Aary in to camp whether your raid force was ready or not was a lot of fun.
One hour to kill the mob is a rule that plays to the advantage of the casual guilds, while all it is doing for A/A is making every kill boring, and all but guaranteed.
jcr4990
05-05-2016, 02:02 PM
moran = moron. Am I right?
Correct. When someone is extra dumb they get the moran instead of moron.
Reference:
http://i.imgur.com/7qpOuMY.jpg
It definitely has it's advantages, but if you aren't racing you are completely superfluous at the moment, which I dislike.
That's kinda how raiding has always felt to me as a Shaman anyway. Pretty much every raid it totally doesn't matter whether I'm there or not cause all you really need a shaman for is buffs slow and torpor on the tank. Everything from the 2nd shaman and beyond is just fluff that doesn't really do much. Extra Chloroblast spams on the tank I guess?
jcr4990
05-05-2016, 02:04 PM
Also Breaken lets get that racer limit rule going pal. This 20 racer shit is good for nobody.
Also Breaken lets get that racer limit rule going pal. This 20 racer shit is good for nobody.
They'll never do it. They get something stupid like 10 dkp/hour tracking, so if you limit FTErs, the same 5-6 "good" runners they have will just hoard all the dkp. They have to keep it this way so 15 of their 20 people standing there can just semi pay attention and leech tracking dkp.
#facts
Jaxon
05-05-2016, 02:10 PM
Being forced to snap pulling Vulak/Vyemm/Aary in to camp whether your raid force was ready or not was a lot of fun.
One hour to kill the mob is a rule that plays to the advantage of the casual guilds, while all it is doing for A/A is making every kill boring, and all but guaranteed.
At the same time it also gives other guilds a better chance of getting a FTE and following it up with a kill. I wasn't a big fan of the rule but it's nice to see Anon/Div and CSG stepping up and getting FTEs.
jcr4990
05-05-2016, 02:12 PM
They'll never do it. They get something stupid like 10 dkp/hour tracking, so if you limit FTErs, the same 5-6 "good" runners they have will just hoard all the dkp. They have to keep it this way so 15 of their 20 people standing there can just semi pay attention and leech tracking dkp.
#facts
Oh yea that makes sense didn't think of that. I'd DEFINITELY sit there afk at the raceline for free dkp if I was in a dkp guild. Kinda fucking dumb that leadership is willing to screw over the rest of the server for 10 leechers to get dkp though.
Whatever. I guess as a BDA member I should be happy cause the current system will 100% result in A/A burnout before too long.
Signal
05-05-2016, 02:13 PM
At the same time it also gives other guilds a better chance of getting a FTE and following it up with a kill. I wasn't a big fan of the rule but it's nice to see Anon/Div and CSG stepping up and getting FTEs.
They got 2 that they actually had competition on. They killed Statue/AoW with another guilds help. The Ikatiar they didn't kill. Yeah they are really doing well.
Mistle
05-05-2016, 02:14 PM
Forum bots always make sense....They are using a script that someone has pre-written and been reviewed for thousands of users. You are right about one thing though, I won't take the time to dissect every sentence someone says like you do (This doesn't make you any less annoying or right). You're one of those guys that takes anything anyone says literal even if that wasn't the purpose. I guarantee you if I did a live feed and asked you several mechanic questions on EQ, you wouldn't be able to answer them. Now I bet you if I ask someone on the higher scale of A/A, they would have no problem.
Let me break this down for you. If anyone and everyone can do what they are doing and it doesn't take time to learn mechanics to give you an advantage, then how come the same guilds get the same mobs every run? How come sometimes guild A (who has 40 people logged in) vs guild B (who has 100 people logged in) but the lesser still gets the kill?
If you think there isn't any mechanic knowledge let me pop quiz you on live stream, if you won't do that....then shut the fuck up.
Wow. This is some grade A delusional ego right here. Someone needs to get out from behind their keyboard more. I mean you seriously, unironically believe that the reason A/A win almost everything is because they know the mechanics of the mob better. Seriously, I am literally laughing out loud at you right now.
Hate to be the one to tell you this, kiddo, but raiding in EQ aint hard. Most of us have done these encounters before your daddy ever let you touch his computer. What is "hard" is getting past the level of bullshit that you, as a neckbeard, cant even see.
But hey I am all for pretending that you are right! It's just those "difficult mechanics" (of door opening?) and knowledge thereof that are really separating the guilds. This would completely translate to the same overwhelming success with just one or two racers and low variance. Sounds like A/A would have nothing to worry about! Lets do it, Sirken, let this neckbeard prove his arrogance and lets see if the outcome is the same dominance when the advantage of number of tracking and fteing neckbeards is taken away.
Lol. EQ raids hard. That is a good one.
Oh yea that makes sense didn't think of that. I'd DEFINITELY sit there afk at the raceline for free dkp if I was in a dkp guild. Kinda fucking dumb that leadership is willing to screw over the rest of the server for 10 leechers to get dkp though.
Whatever. I guess as a BDA member I should be happy cause the current system will 100% result in A/A burnout before too long.
I mean, if I were in their position I prolly wouldn't want to limit it either. The QQing from the "not good enough FTErs" would be massive. The problem started when the dkp was super inflated from the get-go, then just turns into issues like this. Is what it is I guess.
Mistle
05-05-2016, 02:16 PM
At the same time it also gives other guilds a better chance of getting a FTE and following it up with a kill. I wasn't a big fan of the rule but it's nice to see Anon/Div and CSG stepping up and getting FTEs.
What did that lower A/A's rate to? 99%? One of which needed a miracle rng hit as well?
Oh yeah. It was actually "mechanics" the rest of the time. Lolol
maskedmelon
05-05-2016, 02:20 PM
Too many people bitching. Play the damn game. Fun is yours to have. If you are having a bad time, that is your choice. Cut it out.
Signal
05-05-2016, 02:22 PM
I think we can all agree Mistle and JCR are idiots in the thread at least.
jcr4990
05-05-2016, 02:34 PM
I think we can all agree Mistle and JCR are idiots in the thread at least.
Says the guy claiming Crown of Rile's intended use was spamming it to win FTE races for Velious dragons and that you need to farm multiple crowns to "progress correctly" into Velious. Still waiting on that 1 person that agrees with your totally legitimate argument.
http://i.imgur.com/xvaerV5.gif
Legday
05-05-2016, 02:39 PM
What did that lower A/A's rate to? 99%? One of which needed a miracle rng hit as well?
Oh yeah. It was actually "mechanics" the rest of the time. Lolol
And remember this is all happening because CSG complained enough about training being involved in the pull tactics, even to go as far as standing in the way of the pull to intentionally get trained and prove a point. All for some holier than thou stand against mobs being trained to pull dragons, when 99.99% of the time there is no reasonable explanation to be in that pull path.
If you guys just sacked up and figured out the mage spots and pull techniques you would actually have a better chance/more fun.
You can do this during your prime time on weekends the same way you talk about only foot racing during those times.
Shit, I'll even show you guys where to plant the mages and how to FTE. It can all be done with classes that can bind themselves at west exit so there is no need to drop thousands of plat of locket charges.
Still haven't seen you guys at Yelinak or Zlandicar.
PS: Nobody coth ducks.
Ella`Ella
05-05-2016, 02:40 PM
It's ridiculous to think that a crown of rile is a necessary item to progress, but I think banning their usage is even more absurd.
JurisDictum
05-05-2016, 02:41 PM
You sound like you are new to EQ. I'm not going to make this response too long because it's probably way over your head anyway. A/A has been winning the mobs since inception. The guild names are different but its still the same core people who learned from each other. From TR to IB to TMO to Forsaken to Rampage and everything in-between. They have limited FTEr's, they have allowed train fests, they have changed the FTE rule - the outcome is still the same, those who love this game too much and put in the time - win the mobs. You changing the rules has nothing to do with it, you can change them anyway you like minus giving away mobs and the outcome will be the same.
Last comment, unrelated but just wanted to point it out - calling people kiddo and neck-beard when you don't know who they are, makes you sound stupid. It's a comment someone who was 6 when EQ was released would say or just someone who never grew up.
I know you won't listen because you think you have an answer for everything but......I wouldn't mind the raid rules getting changed just so I could have a good laugh at your expense when it doesn't pan out the way you thought. Also if you were playing and beating this game when I was a kiddo, you should have no problem knowing raid mechanics and coming on a live stream.
I never thought I'd agree with this guy, but most of what he says here is right. The reason I said give the casuals a raid week out of every 6, is because I know what some of them don't want to admit, that we will always win a equal playing field because we have more dedicated players that have a very specific skill set that is hard to learn anywhere else.
jcr4990
05-05-2016, 02:47 PM
It's ridiculous to think that a crown of rile is a necessary item to progress, but I think banning their usage is even more absurd.
It's one or the other dude. It's either necessary to progress or it needs to be banned. People that use it have a pretty huge advantage to the point where it really doesn't even make sense to show up to a race without one if others are going to use it.
It's ridiculous to think that a crown of rile is a necessary item to progress, but I think banning their usage is even more absurd.
Nalken got a week suspension out of nowhere for rile jumping on a statue race that he didn't even win. Fingerz was rile jumping like a madman last week and I didn't see him gaining some ridiculous advantagement against me before he got stunned.
Banning rile jumping is retarded.
Banning lull pulling when that's been used for years on Xygoz is even worse. We desperately need a GM familiar with the raid scene and mechanics and not someone that just throws out rules and punishments when they feel like it. This isn't a knock on Sirken, it's just obvious he's not familiar with the tactics that are and have been used to pull dragons for years.
khanable
05-05-2016, 02:50 PM
Not going to lie, hearing about he nalken and fingerz suspensions had me actually say "what the fuck" out loud
Y'all play a raid scene where it's suspension first, rules second
Crazy
Breaken
05-05-2016, 02:57 PM
They get something stupid like 10 dkp/hour tracking
I'm curious, Gimp. What do you earn? I believe Aftermath is a DKP guild now; what reason are you giving for having so few people interested in foot racing?
If you read my Guild Recruitment bump, the fact is that there is little fun in actually killing the mob anymore. Having an hour to prep is too long. The only reason to rush is to get unlocked, and even that isn't the rush it used to be. So, the only fun left in these foot race mobs is the foot race itself. Sure, the waiting isn't fun, but when the mob spawns and you are actually racing, it's a rush. About the only rush left in the game, aside from Cazic Thule and Zlandicar. Yelinak is a coth race, /yawn.
Not going to lie, hearing about he nalken and fingerz suspensions had me actually say "what the fuck" out loud
Y'all play a raid scene where it's suspension first, rules second
Crazy
Sad but true. Fingerz and I had a good laugh when I told him he was about to catch a week for rile jumping. Such an absolutely ridiculous "rule." Both people that have been suspended for doing it didn't even win the race in question, so it's obviously not some fucking huge advantage.
Freakish
05-05-2016, 03:00 PM
I don't have 48 pages to read, two people actually got suspended for using rile?
I don't have 48 pages to read, two people actually got suspended for using rile?
And neither won.
What an advantage to have. I'm so jealous.
jcr4990
05-05-2016, 03:22 PM
And neither won.
What an advantage to have. I'm so jealous.
I don't know how you lose with infinite jump. Have you ever tried racing somebody with 1 person jumping and the other not? Especially across a long distance?
Signal
05-05-2016, 03:23 PM
And neither won.
What an advantage to have. I'm so jealous.
Yeah it's only a big advantage when it helps you catch up. KoS and being in the lead it will just get you stunned/killed if you don't have faction in Kael. In ToV you can't do it while DA'ed which you will be if you are in the lead already. Soo...yeah GM's that understand mechanics would help out a bit. I don't think anyone blames Sirken. He tries his best to stop people from whining and the people that whine never understand the full gravity of the mechanics involved.
Signal
05-05-2016, 03:24 PM
I don't know how you lose with infinite jump. Have you ever tried racing somebody with 1 person jumping and the other not? Especially across a long distance?
See JCR not understanding a post before I typed that out.
TMBLOW
05-05-2016, 03:25 PM
Nalk has one Statue FTE under his belt and I believe it was the following spawn or two after the video was submitted of him utilizing this 'progressive strat'
You are saying he did not Rile jump during that run up?
Fraps to prove innocent. Guilty until then.
I don't know how you lose with infinite jump. Have you ever tried racing somebody with 1 person jumping and the other not? Especially across a long distance?
Fingerz was rile jumping non stop from the start line til entrance of arena where he got stunned and we stayed neck and neck the entire way.
Signal
05-05-2016, 03:30 PM
Nalk has one Statue FTE under his belt and I believe it was the following spawn or two after the video was submitted of him utilizing this 'progressive strat'
You are saying he did not Rile jump during that run up?
Fraps to prove innocent. Guilty until then.
He was in the lead or at the lead for the fte he got the whole way. No reason to use it. Linking the fraps below. You only use Riles in areas you have faction and to catch up. KoS mobs will destroy you if you aren't DA'ed.
Nalken's FTE win with no Rile clicks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kga6ZYQN5dY
Nalk has one Statue FTE under his belt and I believe it was the following spawn or two after the video was submitted of him utilizing this 'progressive strat'
You are saying he did not Rile jump during that run up?
Fraps to prove innocent. Guilty until then.
I'm not saying he did or didn't, as I haven't seen that video. What I'm saying is that both of these guys were suspended without a rule ever being made about this. One person bitches about it on raid discussion and immediately it's against the rules? That's bad business.
I'm also saying that I haven't seen rile jumping perform any faster than regular sow/levi. In the video where Soju gets it on zulort, I stayed ahead of Nalken the entire time and you see his rile spam non stop. People just assume it's faster without actually knowing for sure. That's my issue.
Nibblewitz
05-05-2016, 03:34 PM
And no one is even mentioning that FTE races boil down to latency and that latency boils down to your proximity to Rogean's nutsack.
Signal
05-05-2016, 03:36 PM
And no one is even mentioning that FTE races boil down to latency and that latency boils down to your proximity to Rogean's nutsack.
That just isn't true on racing.
Signal
05-05-2016, 03:38 PM
Scryll a Euro on a bard won the last Tormax. Pretty sure his latency was terrible.
TMBLOW
05-05-2016, 03:41 PM
He was in the lead or at the lead for the fte he got the whole way. No reason to use it. Linking the fraps below. You only use Riles in areas you have faction and to catch up. KoS mobs will destroy you if you aren't DA'ed.
Nalken's FTE win with no Rile clicks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kga6ZYQN5dY
Nice run up - this proves you dont need to use the 'progression' BS to defend Crowns are required evil. They do nothing when you are in the front the whole time while levitating.
If he was behind, they most certainly help make up ground, and the primary reason they are outlawed. An item shouldn't be the reason a player can win over others if we are billing these as 'fair for all' races. It allows for players who have them to win whether they start off the line well or poorly, while those without them will never win if they have a really poor start off the line. Nalken obviously doesnt need to use them to acquire FTE.
Good job getting that aspect of the rules correct.
Signal
05-05-2016, 03:46 PM
Nice run up - this proves you dont need to use the 'progression' BS to defend Crowns are required evil. They do nothing when you are in the front the whole time while levitating.
If he was behind, they most certainly help make up ground, and the primary reason they are outlawed. An item shouldn't be the reason a player can win over others if we are billing these as 'fair for all' races. It allows for players who have them to win whether they start off the line well or poorly, while those without them will never win if they have a really poor start off the line. Nalken obviously doesnt need to use them to acquire FTE.
Good job getting that aspect of the rules correct.
You are such a fickle idiot. It proves that everyone arguing against them don't understand how they are used. That there never needed to be players suspended for clicking them. Yet casual tears and not understanding how mechanics work got player or players suspended.
They're really not "fair" though. Rile is just one of the many retarded gear arguments you can make.
Monks get 250 range clicky, I only have 200. Unfair advantage.
Rangers can shoot an arrow and bow proc from 300+ away, I only have 200. Unfair advantage.
I get bind sight, others have to Skype share. Unfair advantage.
You could literally make a laundry list of petty little "unfair" shit when it comes down to it.
Tewaz
05-05-2016, 03:53 PM
This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen in video games. GG Blue.
Signal
05-05-2016, 03:57 PM
They're really not "fair" though. Rile is just one of the many retarded gear arguments you can make.
Monks get 250 range clicky, I only have 200. Unfair advantage.
Rangers can shoot an arrow and bow proc from 300+ away, I only have 200. Unfair advantage.
I get bind sight, others have to Skype share. Unfair advantage.
You could literally make a laundry list of petty little "unfair" shit when it comes down to it.
I think Freakish said it best. Why are we limiting players from being inventive ? Let people take the risk of using whatever they want. Stop limiting how players can play this game. You push people from the server.
Phantasm
05-05-2016, 04:00 PM
Use the items and tools you have available to win
Who cares if another guild loses, thats the way it goes
Inventing new ways to FTE as been what keeps people logging in week after week to race/beat their competition. Stop being adaptive to the environment and there might as well be no point to logging in in the first place
Maner
05-05-2016, 04:01 PM
I've seen forum bots make more coherent counterarguments than this guy. Your post is inexcusably awful. Redo it, and when you do try to have it address something actually said. The fact you think "more of" equals "virtually all of" or that it is "skill" determning anything (another replaceable line member who thinks his guildtag conferred on him magical abilities beyond other people?) is hilarious.
It's honestly like you are just picking up English now but don't yet have the skill to do more than type random words and hope they form a sentence.
So you are also prejudicial to anyone who doesn't naturally speak English? That also makes you a racist you know?
So the truth is you're upset because you have wasted multiple years in BDA and you have nothing to show for it. Perhaps you should sit down and reflect upon your life choices and figure out a better direction to take yourself than bitching like a spoiled brat on these forums.
When I said the other guilds were accepting applications I never said someone like you would be accepted. Just that you could feel free to try and apply at any time.
Have a good life you liberal closet racist
So you are also prejudicial to anyone who doesn't naturally speak English? That also makes you a racist you know?
this implies that Blacks and other non-whites can't learn english, which is pretty fucking racist
Legday
05-05-2016, 04:17 PM
I think Freakish said it best. Why are we limiting players from being inventive ? Let people take the risk of using whatever they want. Stop limiting how players can play this game. You push people from the server.
Nah dude change every rule until someone other than A/A starts winning consisently.
Can't have hardcore guilds playing harder and winning because of it.
Don't use a crown.
Can't jump.
Definitely no screen sharing.
Don't coth.
Don't lull.
Insert another 45-50 random rules that don't really make sense with A/A continuing to win before the server staff realizes they're just making A/A commit more time and energy for no reason.
What casual guilds really want from us is for us to stop trying so hard. I can respect that request waaay before I'm going to pretend their complaints over the ruleset is actually because the rules are unfair.
jcr4990
05-05-2016, 04:22 PM
Sooo we're admitting that Rile spam can help you catch up if you're behind but refusing to admit it can push you into the lead once you hit the #1 spot? How does that logic work? Factioned racers can rile spam run for a LONG TIME before having to worry about hitting a DA idol.
Fuck it, just go back to scale in Kael.
Don't think scale is doable in ToV, so I'd say SoW plus whatever the fuck else you wanna use.
jcr4990
05-05-2016, 04:29 PM
They're really not "fair" though. Rile is just one of the many retarded gear arguments you can make.
Monks get 250 range clicky, I only have 200. Unfair advantage.
Rangers can shoot an arrow and bow proc from 300+ away, I only have 200. Unfair advantage.
I get bind sight, others have to Skype share. Unfair advantage.
You could literally make a laundry list of petty little "unfair" shit when it comes down to it.
Not really comparing apples to apples. Every guild has an abundance of monks. Most guilds have at least a couple rangers. Several classes have bind sight and anyone can download skype easily. Having multiple crown of riles so you have a decent chance of one of your crown racers online at any given time for a race is a SIGNIFICANTLY bigger hurdle to overcome. Like I said BDA has been going hard in VP for like a year and has gotten 3 /shrug
All this anecdotal bullshit evidence of people with crowns losing to people without it is nonsense. There's a ton of reasons someone with a crown could lose whether its lag or slow reaction time off the starting gate or taking a slightly slower route or getting body blocked. Whatever the case may be. The fact is jumping makes you run faster and everyone eventually runs out of stamina and can't jump anymore. Crown of rile eliminates that and gives a pretty good advantage whether we admit it or not.
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