Are you kidding me?

[Ella`Ella]

can we add crown of rile spam so you can spam jump to the list of racing stuff that isn't fair to all participating? Should we also remove non LoS bard pulling ? The goal was to try and level out the playing field, and as you can see from this thread I don't think many find it very level.


Wow.

[Spyder73]

Delete all characters who have ever been inside Chardok for more than 2 hours /played

#SwishSucksManAss

[derpcake]

Rile spam is OP for sure

this ain't super mario

[Gimp]

All those threads in the raid discussion forum are cringy as fuck. Just hand BDA and CSG a loot bag with random shit every 3-4 weeks so they'll quit whining about how everything is unfair like a bunch of millenials.

[Ella`Ella]

All those threads in the raid discussion forum are cringy as fuck. Just hand BDA and CSG a loot bag with random shit every 3-4 weeks so they'll quit whining about how everything is unfair like a bunch of millenials.

Just because EQ has raid content does not mean everyone is entitled to raid content.

[Gimp]

Pretty soon "who gets the mob" will be determined by a /random because "it's fair for everyone"

[Mendo]

Pretty soon "who gets the mob" will be determined by a /random because "it's fair for everyone"

Please no! You know Detoxx can't win a dice roll to save his life!

[Legday]

The worst part of those threads is having to read what Nemce writes.

[Ella`Ella]

Pretty soon "who gets the mob" will be determined by a /random because "it's fair for everyone"

Until A/A win two rolls in a row - then /ran is biased and unfair to all participants.

[Pokesan]

neckbeard circlejerk itt

[Swish]

Brad McQuaid is laughing at the raid discussion forum right now I'm sure, lol

[Pokesan]

poopsocker arguments:

1) "cringe" - old and busted redspeak.
2) "millenialls" - wears diapers
3) some gay garbage about deserving things in a video game. - it is sad people like you exist

[Kodim]

I find it interesting to see how warped you can make a game based on the original.

[Mendo]

Also. I always thought that the point to getting better gear was to make your character better at winning this game? Crown of Rile (wish I had one) seems like the perfect item to make my character better in this game of racing to allow my friends to raid a mob.

[Swish]

There's a plot and some smaller storylines in there though.

Will Chest kiss enough A/A ass to get a Velious rotation?
Will CSG drown out everyone else by posting in numbers?
Will some of the hardcore neckbeards quit and go outside if some concessions are made?

[Ella`Ella]

Brad McQuaid is laughing at the raid discussion forum right now I'm sure, lol

If I didn't know better, I'd say it was the P99 forums that drove him to the pills.

[Spyder73]

poopsocker arguments:

1) "cringe" - old and busted redspeak.
2) "millenialls" - wears diapers
3) some gay garbage about deserving things in a video game. - it is sad people like you exist


Once again proving yourself a BDA cuck/shill Pokesan

1) "Cringe" - reaction to witnessing someone who is obviously over immersed
2) Millenials - if you defend Millenials then you probably are one because everyone else hates you.
3) EARRN IT BIITCCH #PainOlympics

[Pokesan]

what exactly do these forums think a millennial is

[Spyder73]

what exactly do these forums think a millennial is

You are your faggy Magic cards qualify, whatever the definition

[Pokesan]

if i said jump off a cliff would you do it

[Gimp]

what exactly do these forums think a millennial is

See: Mizzou protesters, Bernie supporters, SJWs

[Pokesan]

if you were born in the 80s you're a millennial

go outside, learn words

[Detoxx]

Please no! You know Detoxx can't win a dice roll to save his life!

10-0 Vulak rolls. Suck it Pint

[Gimp]

if you were born in the 80s you're a millennial

go outside, learn words

Because using a word in a derogatory way has never insinuated a different meaning. I think I'll leave this up to someone else. Afraid I don't have time to argue with stupid today.

[radda]

Because using a word in a derogatory way has never insinuated a different meaning. I think I'll leave this up to someone else. Afraid I don't have time to argue with stupid today.

BURN BITCH

p.s. - yugio cards? really poke? i know thats most likely not you but we all know MTG is where it was at.

[Raev]

Classicness Scale (out of 10):

10: massive butthurt on RNF
7: rotations
5: Druids killing their own god to get Tunare earrings
2: zone pulls of NTOV targets with TL boxes
0: footraces determining who gets raid targets

[Sweettouch]

Guess I stumbled into Aftermath's crybaby corner

[Pokesan]

Because using a word in a derogatory way has never insinuated a different meaning. I think I'll leave this up to someone else. Afraid I don't have time to argue with stupid today.

thanks for the concede!

[xexbis0]

Breaken has made the single, most logical arguments to racing by allowing scale instead of SoW.

[Pokesan]

BURN BITCH

p.s. - yugio cards? really poke? i know thats most likely not you but we all know MTG is where it was at.

i was granted this avatar by the final imam whose name is xaanka (ra pbuh). ive never played nerd cards.

[Kodim]

Scale was used for Kael for quite a few races and it worked. It got changed to SoW only for some reason when ToV got introduced.

[Juevento]

It's kind of fun to see CSG beat their heads against the wall for a bit. Soon enough they'll realize the futility of trying to deal with the man-children. Just let them do their thing and carve out a place for yourself until you stop caring and quit this shit hole of a server. Server staff obviously likes the way things are, so whatever.

Fuck it.

[Spyder73]

if i said jump off a cliff would you do it

Only if you promise to catch me boo

[Ravager]

Just because EQ has raid content does not mean everyone is entitled to raid content.

No, it would just seem a few are.

Putting raid mobs on a rotation doesn't make the pixels any less exclusive, most people still won't have 17 best in slot items and most probably not even 1. People would still have to work for their pixels, because it'd be a chore of patience and working with their friends for a longer period of time to get what they want. But with rotations, nobody's getting bedsores and diabetes.

In half a year of Velious, the hard cores already shit the bed and somehow made this server worse to raid on than 5 years of Kunark with TMO monopolizing the content.

[Spyder73]

It's kind of fun to see CSG beat their heads against the wall for a bit. Soon enough they'll realize the futility of trying to deal with the man-children. Just let them do their thing and carve out a place for yourself until you stop caring and quit this shit hole of a server. Server staff obviously likes the way things are, so whatever.

Fuck it.

Sounds like you guys are having a blast in BDA, who do i contact in game so i can come join the fun?

[Lojik]

Breaken has made the single, most logical arguments to racing by allowing scale instead of SoW.

Shhh, this thread is about how everyone but aa are crybabies who want free bags of loot

[Pokesan]

Shhh, this thread is about how everyone but aa are crybabies who want free bags of loot

the only way to get free loot is posting a gif of a child breaking his neck

[Skew]

All those threads in the raid discussion forum are cringy as fuck. Just hand BDA and CSG a loot bag with random shit every 3-4 weeks so they'll quit whining about how everything is unfair like a bunch of millenials.

Yup.

Even better was having Cuckisi or whatever he is called from Europa asking for Aftermaths HoT raid to stop and log a coth mage on to help them break into HoT :confused: then get upset and tell-tale to our guild-leader that we were not helping.

Cringing hard.

[ArumTP]

The AAs can make their player made agreements (which i do not enjoy signing off on anything that break server rules) and essential craft the environment they want to live in. They won't have to deal with us casuals who won't sign player made agreements, don't want to train mobs around and won't use item manipulation to give us unsportsmanlike (or illegal) advantages.

Won't even work with other guilds to better refine vague rules by GM's for various scenarios. These scenarios and agreements are a tool by which guilds can resolve and remedy grievances among themselves rather than random GM ban for an unposted rule.


Why can't we split the server so that those who want to play that way and those who want a rotation can live in peace? We haven't really discussed that because we keep dismissing it.

Keeps wanting rotations, even though it has been repeatedly said that they won't bring this back

Nemce nothing more obstructionist, and has no business in trying to craft raid policy. Time and time again his posts reflect that he is unwilling to work with the raid environment that is. His only end goal appears to be create a strict narrow view of what he envisions of what a NTOV raid was years ago, anything other than that he will not engage in any dialogue about anything. He is going and trying to go as far as trying to get back to the old C/R system or a whole new sever just to get this.

Nemce is showing himself to be a far greater cancer than ever than what Chest ever was.

[Swish]

Nemce nothing more obstructionist, and has no business in trying to craft raid policy. Time and time again his posts reflect that he is unwilling to work with the raid environment that is. His only end goal appears to be create a strict narrow view of what he envisions of what a NTOV raid was years ago, anything other than that he will not engage in any dialogue about anything. He is going and trying to go as far as trying to get back to the old C/R system or a whole new sever just to get this.

Nemce is showing himself to be a far greater cancer than ever than what Chest ever was.

Reads like more badly typed BDA spin. Trying to put Chest's face on Nemce is quite bizarre but nothing much surprises me in the blue99 raid scene anymore.

BDA of all guilds would love that rotation...play all docile and neutral til they've got most of what they can out of it, then tighten the net, make some "revisions" that suit them at the expense of smaller guilds who suddenly are stuck doing clears of Fear/Hate at best... you know the drill (RIP Supremacy/Moonlight Crusaders).

I'm amused that Chest laughs at CSG (Omni/Europa/AG)... if it wasn't for his rotation "revisions" and BDA's zerg force one raiding attitude they wouldn't be raiding as a happy casual trio.

:o

[Papa]

^

BDA's biggest cuck, literally can't help himself http://www.project1999.com/forums/images/smilies/redface.gif

Also most overused emoji

[Swish]

^

BDA's biggest cuck, literally can't help himself http://www.project1999.com/forums/images/smilies/redface.gif

Also most overused emoji

http://i.imgur.com/XAXvJg7.gif

These anon forum accounts sure do pipe up when the truth hits home, don't they?

[ArumTP]

Reads like more badly typed BDA spin. Trying to put Chest's face on Nemce is quite bizarre but nothing much surprises me in the blue99 raid scene anymore.

BDA of all guilds would love that rotation...play all docile and neutral til they've got most of what they can out of it, then tighten the net, make some "revisions" that suit them at the expense of smaller guilds who suddenly are stuck doing clears of Fear/Hate at best... you know the drill (RIP Supremacy/Moonlight Crusaders).

I'm amused that Chest laughs at CSG (Omni/Europa/AG)... if it wasn't for his rotation "revisions" and BDA's zerg force one raiding attitude they wouldn't be raiding as a happy casual trio.

:o

If you actually played this game, you could actually come up with some new posting content. BDA broke the rotation is old shit that hardly matters anymore, just let it go man

[Swish]

I have plenty of posting content, the fact that you just tune into BDA's problem threads suggests you don't read widely enough <3

[Pokesan]

I have plenty of posting content, the fact that you just tune into BDA's problem threads suggests you don't read widely enough <3

actually you and your posts belong in the garbage :o

[Swish]

Keep firing guys, I can dance all night :)

http://i.imgur.com/um1QyQu.gif

[Pokesan]

im desperate for any attention please look at this gif i saw on reddit

http://i.imgur.com/um1QyQu.gif

[bktroost]

Won't even work with other guilds to better refine vague rules by GM's for various scenarios. These scenarios and agreements are a tool by which guilds can resolve and remedy grievances among themselves rather than random GM ban for an unposted rule.


You got it. WTB Hooded Black Cloak to play the part I was spawned to play.


Keeps wanting rotations, even though it has been repeatedly said that they won't bring this back

Nemce nothing more obstructionist, and has no business in trying to craft raid policy. Time and time again his posts reflect that he is unwilling to work with the raid environment that is. His only end goal appears to be create a strict narrow view of what he envisions of what a NTOV raid was years ago, anything other than that he will not engage in any dialogue about anything. He is going and trying to go as far as trying to get back to the old C/R system or a whole new sever just to get this.

Nemce is showing himself to be a far greater cancer than ever than what Chest ever was.

[EvilQuest]

swish lashing out real hard once one of the leaders of his favorite zerg comes under fire

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

If BDA is zerg, then Zest is soap. You have just missed the point.

[Susano]

Guilds should be required to kill Sontalak before they can have representatives in the Raid Discussion forum. So many non factors shitting up the place because they can wrangle a couple of mongoloids together to do planar clears, it's hilarious.

[Pokesan]

Guilds should be required to kill Sontalak before they can have representatives in the Raid Discussion forum. So many non factors shitting up the place because they can wrangle a couple of mongoloids together to do planar clears, it's hilarious.

not as hilarious as your sig you grognard

[Prismaticshop]

It's kind of fun to see CSG beat their heads against the wall for a bit. Soon enough they'll realize the futility of trying to deal with the man-children. Just let them do their thing and carve out a place for yourself until you stop caring and quit this shit hole of a server. Server staff obviously likes the way things are, so whatever.

Fuck it.

fuck you. Casual ginger cunt full of sand

[khysanth]

http://i.imgur.com/XAXvJg7.gif

These anon forum accounts sure do pipe up when the truth hits home, don't they?

Gif- I take that as a compliment

2. Not an anon account

[booter]

Gif- I take that as a compliment

2. Not an anon account

3. I just have forum accounts for each character and switch between them

[Pokesan]

3. I just have forum accounts for each character and switch between them

im gay

[Llodd]

Keeps wanting rotations, even though it has been repeatedly said that they won't bring this back


Where did they say this? iirc, which i maybe dont, they said the class system would be dropped come velious.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Heres an unclassic solution for an unclassic server.

Have all Ntov dragon loot be random with a very low chance of dropping off any mob. ARPG style.

Or, you could - you know, not care. It's not like you need that shit to do anything in the game anyways.

But what do I know. I'm just a railroad foreman.

[Xaanka]

im gay

[Spyder73]

Your new avatar is disturbing Xaanka

[Kileras]

am i getting ripped on because i think it is lame to need a PD helm to spam jump to beat people to targets? Or are you ripping on that that is even a thing in the raid scene?

[Culkasi]

It's kind of fun to see CSG beat their heads against the wall for a bit. Soon enough they'll realize the futility of trying to deal with the man-children. Just let them do their thing and carve out a place for yourself until you stop caring and quit this shit hole of a server. Server staff obviously likes the way things are, so whatever.

Fuck it.

We're getting there. Fast. OP is not CSG btw.

[Culkasi]

We're getting there. Fast. OP is not CSG btw.
Person quoted in OP even. I fail RNF.

[Culkasi]

Yup.

Even better was having Cuckisi or whatever he is called from Europa asking for Aftermaths HoT raid to stop and log a coth mage on to help them break into HoT :confused: then get upset and tell-tale to our guild-leader that we were not helping.

Cringing hard.

You have no idea how the various conversations went apparently. But nice try.

[bktroost]

Guilds should be required to kill Sontalak before they can have representatives in the Raid Discussion forum. So many non factors shitting up the place because they can wrangle a couple of mongoloids together to do planar clears, it's hilarious.

We've killed Sontalak. 10 billion wort pots and prayers of healing. Are you saying on the regular? I don't have the cashflow for that. My players get the loot not the guild bank.

[Vallanor]

We're getting there. Fast.

Truth.

I'm of the opinion that if you want your life to revolve around 16 hour windows and literally staring at a computer screen waiting for that first glimpse of a dragon's wing so you can jump jump jump your way to its spawn point before everyone else for the opportunity to train the entire zone back and forth so you can mow the mob down for the 50th time with 100 of your closest "friends" in a seventeen year-old game, then more power to you.

But holy shit, talk about cringe...

[arsenalpow]

I told y'all footraces were the illusion of an even shot to get FTE on a dragon. CSG and Div/Anon literally had no idea, now they sort of have an idea.

[bktroost]

Truth.

I'm of the opinion that if you want your life to revolve around 16 hour windows and literally staring at a computer screen waiting for that first glimpse of a dragon's wing so you can jump jump jump your way to its spawn point before everyone else for the opportunity to train the entire zone back and forth so you can mow the mob down for the 50th time with 100 of your closest "friends" in a seventeen year-old game, then more power to you.

But holy shit, talk about cringe...

Somehow doing this with 200 racers/trackers is better than splitting up the raid mobs and allowing those who like competitive play to play 1v1 and the others to have a scheduled rotation.

And Swish, even if BDA blew up the rotation, it was still over a year of not having to FTE battle. It was certainly a good time for this server. I think I had a family and was able to see a movie or two with some friends back then. Fond memories of a personal life.

[Swish]

It's kind of fun to see CSG beat their heads against the wall for a bit. Soon enough they'll realize the futility of trying to deal with the man-children. Just let them do their thing and carve out a place for yourself until you stop caring and quit this shit hole of a server. Server staff obviously likes the way things are, so whatever.

Fuck it.

You ok?

http://i.imgur.com/H2qgnbz.png

[Spyder73]

even if BDA blew up the rotation
even if BDA blew up the rotation
even if BDA blew up the rotation
even if BDA blew up the rotation
even if BDA blew up the rotation
even if BDA blew up the rotation
even if BDA blew up the rotation
even if BDA blew up the rotation

People don't forget Chest-ticles

[Gimp]

I told y'all footraces were the illusion of an even shot to get FTE on a dragon. CSG and Div/Anon literally had no idea, now they sort of have an idea.

I saw the last statue race. An Anon ranger was a cunt hair away from winning. Races are infinitely more "even" than a lot of previous raid situations.

[arsenalpow]

I saw the last statue race. An Anon ranger was a cunt hair away from winning. Races are infinitely more "even" than a lot of previous raid situations.

So that time it was close, the next time it's a 4am statue, the time after that he looked down at his dog so he was a second behind, the time after that he was close again but just missed out. Maybe someday he'll break through. Just allocate up to 16 hours of your life every 5 days and maybe you can have some statue loot.

[Gimp]

So that time it was close, the next time it's a 4am statue, the time after that he looked down at his dog so he was a second behind, the time after that he was close again but just missed out. Maybe someday he'll break through. Just allocate up to 16 hours of your life every 5 days and maybe you can have some statue loot.

Or you could do what 90% of the people do and just track for a couple hours, and if he doesn't pop, just say fuck it and go about your day.

[Nibblewitz]

The whole server is cancer; from the competitive sadists to the casual masochists. You legitimate this nightmare just by playing here.

[Legday]

Some of you guys are like a crazy girlfriend that continuously complains and contradicts themselves and then one day you realize - oh, she will complain no matter what so I don't care anymore.

Newsflash - A/A play this game for the competition with one another and with you guys when you're there. The playing field is more level now than it has ever been. Stop making excuses as to why this little thing or that little thing makes it still a little bit unfair. You're not going to get sympathy points anymore.

We've done all sorts of little random things as gestures of good faith in our interactions with (I think) all of the casual guilds in the past month or so. Help kill that dragon, give the loot off of this one, give guild A a free shot at a mob that we easily could pull and kill, explain a pull or kill strat to a smaller guild that is on the FTE clock, the list goes on... Each time it has been with nothing but good intentions. Instead of seeing you guys come a little closer to the middle ground, most of you just continue to qq about the way we play the game.

Do you realize how that looks from our point of view? We don't have to be nice guys and you're starting to make us not want to be nice guys. At some point we're just going to say fuck it and take everything we see. Work with us ffs.

[Raev]

We've killed Sontalak. 10 billion wort pots and prayers of healing. Are you saying on the regular? I don't have the cashflow for that. My players get the loot not the guild bank.

What!?!! Was this after his proc buff?

[Legday]

Or you could do what 90% of the people do and just track for a couple hours, and if he doesn't pop, just say fuck it and go about your day.

This. It's pretty rare for some neckbeard in one of our guilds to go the distance from start to finish on a mob that happens to go late in it's window. Usually people average a couple hours bind sight tracking, or standing on the starting line. Then they just log and go about their day.

[Nibblewitz]

It's far worse than that, Legday.

The competitive players admit that the raid scene is shit, but their desire to continue competing and interacting with one another is a marvel.

On the other hand, the casuals never wanted to play with you guys. Hell, they barely tolerate playing with each other. They each want their own vacuum to surround themselves with themselves and gather pixels.

[Gimp]

What!?!! Was this after his proc buff?

Remember that 1-2 day stretch when mobs weren't procing or doing much of anything for that matter? That's probably when they got him. There's literally no way they have done real Sontalak.

[Heebo]

I'm pretty happy I can click both of my Crown's of Rile whenever the fuck I feel like it.

[EvilQuest]

even if BDA blew up the rotation
even if BDA blew up the rotation
even if BDA blew up the rotation
even if BDA blew up the rotation
even if BDA blew up the rotation
even if BDA blew up the rotation
even if BDA blew up the rotation

People don't forget Chest-ticles

dont hate, chest turned you into the massive faggot u r today

[bktroost]

Hell, they barely tolerate playing with each other. They each want their own vacuum to surround themselves with themselves and gather pixels.

That's not universally true or even true for the majority. I pull 40-50 on a raid and it's about that for Europa and omni. Do we need that kind of force for a sev? Absolutely not. But it's fun fighting crap with your friends. We could certainly only be an alliance for velious mobs and if,we competed for kunark we would likely never even fight each other due to our primes being so different. But we choose to fight together because we like each other and like fighting alongside each other.

Think less gladiators slitting each other's throats for a prize and rather a group of adventurers slaying beasts so we have a good story while we sling grog at the local tavern.

[Nibblewitz]

And the casuals have to resort to hate speech. But remember guys, they are winning RL.

[Raev]

even if BDA blew up the rotation

If you guys had been patient and preserved the rotation, I still think Velious would have launched as pure FFA. But the R/C system would have been preserved for Kunark and probably even extended to VP, and around now you guys could be successfully negotiating with the staff to extend it to Velious. Probably ST/TOV north would be C, but you'd be getting a rotation on everything else, which includes a lot of tasty loot pinatas like Tormax, Yelinak, Dain, Statue, AOW, and Dozekar.

Instead you played your pair of fours like it was AK suited, but your bluff got called on the river and you lost everything, and no one has any sympathy for you.

[Gimp]

I've been out flopped so many times with AK suited. I swear I'd rather some suited middle connectors like J9, those always seem to pan out well for me.

[Raev]

J9 is not a connector you tool

[bktroost]

Do you realize how that looks from our point of view? We don't have to be nice guys and you're starting to make us not want to be nice guys.

Once upon a time in a land not so far away, Legday stood in an Emerald Jungle autorunning into a tree. This warrior was passionately sending tells to an Azure Guard magician with desperate pleas to end the competitive mage tracking because he had been watching the spawn since the window opened. "Why don't you bring your mages in?" our mage asked. " why? Well because it's not a fair fight. We don't have factioned mages!" this casual warrior replied.


Seems to me that you are wearing your shoe on a different foot... Was that less than 2 months ago?

[Gimp]

J9 is not a connector you tool

I meant 10, GOSH RAEV

[Nibblewitz]

That's not universally true or even true for the majority. I pull 40-50 on a raid and it's about that for Europa and omni. Do we need that kind of force for a sev? Absolutely not. But it's fun fighting crap with your friends. We could certainly only be an alliance for velious mobs and if,we competed for kunark we would likely never even fight each other due to our primes being so different. But we choose to fight together because we like each other and like fighting alongside each other.

Think less gladiators slitting each other's throats for a prize and rather a group of adventurers slaying beasts so we have a good story while we sling grog at the local tavern.

In a rotation, would you stay as one: CSG or split into three: Azure Guard, Europa, and Omni?

Obviously, you don't have to answer that.

[Gitem]

http://i.imgur.com/36ZGmkn.jpg

[bktroost]

And the casuals have to resort to hate speech. But remember guys, they are winning RL.

According to the American Bar Association " hate speech" is defined as:

Hate speech is speech that which offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits.


Where's the hate speech?

[arsenalpow]

On the Vegas trip I had a $70 blackjack bet, saw 8/3, doubled down to $140, didn't get there. :(

[bktroost]

In a rotation, would you stay as one: CSG or split into three: Azure Guard, Europa, and Omni?

Obviously, you don't have to answer that.

I've already said that AG would be fine staying in CSG in a rotation.

[Raev]

In a rotation, would you stay as one: CSG or split into three: Azure Guard, Europa, and Omni?

Rotations benefit guilds who can kill targets with lower numbers, therefore getting more pixels per person. I think it's a much more interesting (not to mention CLASSIC) form of competition than this Mario Kart nonsense.

[Nibblewitz]

According to the American Bar Association " hate speech" is defined as:

Hate speech is speech that which offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits.


Where's the hate speech?

Now AG's legal team is on my case. Go back to that page of this thread with the thought that you are not the center of the universe, or my scrutiny.

[Gimp]

On the Vegas trip I had a $70 blackjack bet, saw 8/3, doubled down to $140, didn't get there. :(

I play about twice a year in Biloxi. If I'm doubling or splitting in an obvious situation to do it, you can all but guarantee that cunt dealer will 5 card 21 me against my 19 or whatever.

[EvilQuest]

I've already said that AG would be fine staying in CSG in a rotation.

that's not what really happened tho is it

[Legday]

Once upon a time in a land not so far away, Legday stood in an Emerald Jungle autorunning into a tree. This warrior was passionately sending tells to an Azure Guard magician with desperate pleas to end the competitive mage tracking because he had been watching the spawn since the window opened. "Why don't you bring your mages in?" our mage asked. " why? Well because it's not a fair fight. We don't have factioned mages!" this casual warrior replied.


Seems to me that you are wearing your shoe on a different foot... Was that less than 2 months ago?

That was over 6 months ago and as usual, you've completely butchered the story.

You showed up after 10 hours of the window had gone by and our factioned mage and Forsaken's factioned mage were standing on the spawn point (Asgard and Forsaken were competiting against one another on Kunark targets at that point). Your mage started coth ducking. My 'desperate pleas' were to end the coth ducking. I also explained that I had been tracking Sev for my warrior epic for months so you guys showing up 10 hours in to a window and coth ducking was kind of a kick in the nuts. You laughed it off because you had some warrior in your guild that had been waiting for a green scale for a year or something. Then I had to explain to you that I wasn't waiting for a green scale, I had personally tracked every Sev window for 3 months. 12 straights Sevs or something. It didn't earn me a free shot at Sev or anything, I was just asking for some mutual respect instead of your bushleage tactics.

It's neither here nor there, because we all had to start coth ducking because of you guys. The best part was that Asgard got the FTE and he dropped the green scale for my epic that night. Thanks for reminding me.

Or is that like that time you went on Sirken's stream and tried to put Asgard on blast for training Tormax in to the arena, when the situation you were trying to describe was when we pulled Vindi to the WL zoneline.

You need to try and understand what you're talking about before you throw other guilds under the bus, because when you're wrong it makes you look so, so bad.

[Fanguru]

I am surprised the ex-class R have not made their own server yet.

There is no "right" playstyle. It just happens that Devs and GMs decided the competitive side wins on p1999.

I admire the resilience of social players, I just do not see them get what they want with good ole dungeons crawls, killing trash and fighting up to mobs for 8 hours here.

There is no room for both playstyles, so the only way to get a tiny bit of what they want is for the server owners to reinstate the class system and validate that NToV is not the end-game that should only be accessible to competitive people.

[Gimp]

I'm still waiting to hear when/how they killed Sont without anyone else knowing, or is that just another bold faced lie?

[arsenalpow]

I'm still waiting to hear when/how they killed Sont without anyone else knowing, or is that just another bold faced lie?

It was when dragons were broken for a day or two.

[bktroost]

That's not even close to what happened. We don't coth duck and you didn't have a factioned mage which is why you had to autorun north into a tree.

[bktroost]

I'm still waiting to hear when/how they killed Sont without anyone else knowing, or is that just another bold faced lie?

You don't have every dragon on your radar. Detoxx asked if I had 3 people with ST keys yet when we had 5 at the time. How can you possibly track the death if every dragon and who killed it?

[Gimp]

The one that disappears from raping people in front of ToV for a week is pretty fucking easy to keep track of.

Bragging about killing broken mobs? For shame.

[Legday]

You don't have every dragon on your radar. Detoxx asked if I had 3 people with ST keys yet when we had 5 at the time. How can you possibly track the death if every dragon and who killed it?

It's pretty noticeable when Sont isn't outside of ToV. Most guilds are around there on a nightly basis.

[Legday]

That's not even close to what happened. We don't coth duck and you didn't have a factioned mage which is why you had to autorun north into a tree.

Ok so just he said/she said? I'm supposed to argue with a guy who thinks October 10th was 2 months ago? The amount of times I've heard you say incorrect things on stream has me wondering if you might be mentally handicapped, so I'll just drop it here.

[bktroost]

Not bragging, just setting the record straight. Half our kills don't even go on our guild page. Unless we kill like a ton in one day then we generally don't care.

Anyway, I think the raid scene is dumb and so do all of the leaders from every guild. That's not really up for discussion. Good news is that GMs are trying things. We should be encouraged that GMs are listening to guild leaders and making changes based on our feedback.

Server resets once a month, 2 or so earthquakes, no more coth battles, all good things. We just need to keep experimenting. I'm an extremist, but I'm just one perspective and I don't assume I'll get everything I want. But if everyone keeps presenting their perspective and we keep making measurable changes we will hopefully get somewhere workable.

[derpcake]

sounds like you all having a splendid time on classic EQ emulator

do continue this productive discussion

[trite]

Also. I always thought that the point to getting better gear was to make your character better at winning this game? Crown of Rile (wish I had one) seems like the perfect item to make my character better in this game of racing to allow my friends to raid a mob.

Its a fucking slippery slope, why is this allowed and not shadow step / levitate.....

[bktroost]

Ok so just he said/she said? I'm supposed to argue with a guy who thinks October 10th was 2 months ago? The amount of times I've heard you say incorrect things on stream has me wondering if you might be mentally handicapped, so I'll just drop it here.

Ahh, I threw away the calendar that I marked the day you got your epic. Sorry about that.

[Gimp]

You weren't "setting the record straight."

Talking about how you've killed Sont and the only reason you don't anymore is because of recharge costs is directly implying that you've done it, and would be capable of doing it again.

Broken mobs don't count, and its laughable that you'd even remotely count that as a kill.

[Lojik]

sounds like you all having a splendid time on classic EQ emulator

do continue this productive discussion
As weird as it sounds, there's quite the % of people on this emulator that like lawyerquest, even if they vehemently deny it

[xexbis0]

Guilds should be required to kill Sontalak before they can have representatives in the Raid Discussion forum. So many non factors shitting up the place because they can wrangle a couple of mongoloids together to do planar clears, it's hilarious.

That's convenient to choose the most difficult encounter you've beaten. Why don't we instead use...hmmm... Tunare ... as the barrier of entry.

Fail to see why the OP is getting flamed. There's so many tricks you can use with SoW that just evaporate with Scale. Conveniently, there seems to be one guild cockblocking the use of Scale and it's pretty clear why.

[Gimp]

That's convenient to choose the most difficult encounter you've beaten. Why don't we instead use...hmmm... Tunare ... as the barrier of entry.

Fail to see why the OP is getting flamed. There's so many tricks you can use with SoW that just evaporate with Scale. Conveniently, there seems to be one guild cockblocking the use of Scale and it's pretty clear why.

Detoxx has already OK'd scale.

Why would we block something we've never lost at?

[bktroost]

You weren't "setting the record straight."

Talking about how you've killed Sont and the only reason you don't anymore is because of recharge costs is directly implying that you've done it, and would be capable of doing it again.

Broken mobs don't count, and its laughable that you'd even remotely count that as a kill.


Having a hard time getting past that eh? Chest said it was when it was broken. Not me. AG ( not csg ) brought 45 people to a sont engage with rampage. They had just under 40 but clearly the more experienced people. We brought all our clickies to bear and he was still a beast pre-buff. We weren't trying to get a key at that point, we just wanted to down the thing. I certainly don't have a shadow of a doubt about AG being able to solo Sont before his buff or now. I have no idea what would happen if 120 CSG with wort pots and all the clickies would do, but it's really not a goal of ours. We, like the rest of the server, leave that guy to the big boys.

[Gimp]

We've killed Sontalak. 10 billion wort pots and prayers of healing. Are you saying on the regular? I don't have the cashflow for that. My players get the loot not the guild bank.

These are your words, not mine.

I'm not hung up on it, I just find it absolutely hilarious that a guild leader would say something as monumentally untrue as "oh yeah, if we had the recharge plat we could totally do it."

[xexbis0]

Detoxx has already OK'd scale.

Why would we block something we've never lost at?

If Detoxx has given the "green light" on Scale...why are we not doing Scale? Awakened is pretty publicly for it. I don't see little guilds blocking it. So, it really just feels like you're full of it.

[Gimp]

If Detoxx has given the "green light" on Scale...why are we not doing Scale? Awakened is pretty publicly for it. I don't see little guilds blocking it. So, it really just feels like you're full of it.

You have access to read the raid discussion threads just like I do. Why don't you check out what they're saying before you run around flapping your gums.

[Raev]

As weird as it sounds, there's quite the % of people on this emulator that like lawyerquest, even if they vehemently deny it

I enjoy lawyerquest more than I enjoy FTE poopsocking

[Juevento]

I've been out flopped so many times with AK suited. I swear I'd rather some suited middle connectors like J9, those always seem to pan out well for me.

There's a reason AK is called the Anna Kournakova. It looks good, but never wins.

[xexbis0]

You have access to read the raid discussion threads just like I do. Why don't you check out what they're saying before you run around flapping your gums.

A very predictable response. Big difference between posturing and doing something about it.

[bktroost]

These are your words, not mine.

I'm not hung up on it, I just find it absolutely hilarious that a guild leader would say something as monumentally untrue as "oh yeah, if we had the recharge plat we could totally do it."

As stated

QUOTE=bktroost;2251694] I have no idea what would happen if 120 CSG with wort pots and all the clickies would do.[/QUOTE]

I don't have money to really try that over and over to figure out how to kill that guy. If you'd like to donate 1 million plat to science I'll find out for you.

[Ravager]

If you guys had been patient and preserved the rotation, I still think Velious would have launched as pure FFA. But the R/C system would have been preserved for Kunark and probably even extended to VP, and around now you guys could be successfully negotiating with the staff to extend it to Velious. Probably ST/TOV north would be C, but you'd be getting a rotation on everything else, which includes a lot of tasty loot pinatas like Tormax, Yelinak, Dain, Statue, AOW, and Dozekar.

Instead you played your pair of fours like it was AK suited, but your bluff got called on the river and you lost everything, and no one has any sympathy for you.

Pretty sure it was stated the classes were dead for Velious from the beginning, at least that's what I remember from the original announcement when they were scripted in, "to be revisited at launch of Velious" or something like that, which I'd infer as FFA at Velious launch regardless.

I don't think they were going to give everyone more rotations the way you like to pretend, because the rotation was purely player made. If the staff really wanted the rotation to stay alive, they could have took the reigns of the thing and said "here's the rotation" at anytime, and if they really wanted to "punish" anyone for breaking it, they could have cut them out of it. As it was, they left it working the way it was originally scripted with lockouts until Velious.

[bktroost]

Dang, I'm bad at foruming

[Gimp]

A very predictable response. Big difference between posturing and doing something about it.

Probably because the "written rules" by Sirken says SoW, so until he says otherwise, that's what they do.

[burkemi5]

You filthy fucking casuals think this is a game? We have trackers in every zone across Norrath earning dkp every hour. You can't kill a dar knight in seb without our extensive web of dedicated trackers and runners knowing exactly what you got and when the next spawn will be. You bet your ass we'll be there contesting that next dar knight. And you can bet all your pathetic loots that we'll be there making sure you DONT get the next dar knight. It doesn't matter to us if we don't need that Rune of Bidding, all that matters to us is that you DONT get it. Hell, we even offer extra DKP for logs confirming that an item one of you fifth needs is deleted. Extra points for taunting.

You think you deserve loot on this box? Think again. AA now offering DKP packages on people who can provide evidence that they've quit their jobs and left their families, and you best believe I took that offer up. We are available at all hours. We can and will bat phone faster than you can even register that a mob has spawned.

So maybe it's in everyone's best interest if you scum of the server just stopped logging in and fired up Hello Kitty Island Adventures. That MMO is more your style. We will not stop until we kill EVERY boss EVERY spawn until Dear Leader Rogean pulls the plug.

And if for some strange reason we lose FTE, you can only imagine the world of hurt our crack team of lawyerquesters will bring upon you. I've earned so much DKP from studying and mock debating every imagine scenario that you will crumble under my might. And I'm just one of many, we have entire teams dedicated to this.

Our R and D teams are also constantly researching and practicing new routes and kiting methods, also earning mountains of DKP. We have entire servers dedicated to to this. All of our runners are required to practice 30 hours a week, but that's a laughable minimum. Everyone puts in 50 easily.

So next time you're thinking about challenging us, you better up your game, and we both know you pussies don't have it in you. Just go cry in the loving arms of your "family" (lol, so pathetic), and leave the dragons and loot to the big boys.

[xexbis0]

Probably because the "written rules" by Sirken says SoW, so until he says otherwise, that's what they do.

And there it is right on time. The excuse. You and I both know if it was brought to the table for a player's agreement, it would be fine. But I guess "we're good with this but our hands are tied by Sirken" is a lot nicer looking than telling the truth.

[Detoxx]

That's convenient to choose the most difficult encounter you've beaten. Why don't we instead use...hmmm... Tunare ... as the barrier of entry.

Fail to see why the OP is getting flamed. There's so many tricks you can use with SoW that just evaporate with Scale. Conveniently, there seems to be one guild cockblocking the use of Scale and it's pretty clear why.

Again, we asked for Spirit of Scale to be allowed, since using your Crown, or lev jumping in kael, or any other trick (Bind Sight), would cancel your Scale, leaving you way in the back. Haven't seen this change yet, but I personally think it is the easiest fix to the most issues.

I have no issues with this. After Kreizenn would certainly be interesting.

Lol

[Skew]

Dang, I'm bad at foruming

But at least you try.
Unlike in-game where you continue to sit back and whine even after changes were made due to your whining.
Theres a pattern here...

[Gitem]

http://i.imgur.com/eNxZKKx.jpg

[Gimp]

And there it is right on time. The excuse. You and I both know if it was brought to the table for a player's agreement, it would be fine. But I guess "we're good with this but our hands are tied by Sirken" is a lot nicer looking than telling the truth.

You're a delusional retard. Detoxx doesn't give a fuck if we use scale, sow, or walk, when it comes to Kael races we rarely lose.

[bktroost]

But at least you try.
Unlike in-game where you continue to sit back and whine even after changes were made due to your whining.
Theres a pattern here...

Ouch, that was mean.

[xexbis0]

Lol

Do something about it.

[Culkasi]

There seeems to be a lot of residual anger at a lot of things here, so let me clear a few things up.

I don't really care about what happened at end of Kunark anymore. It's not a thing, it happened in the past, I am over it, Europa is over it, CSG is over it. There are still some idividuals (I am looking at you Swish) who likes to bring it up all the time, and for some reason there are people (I am looking at you BDA) who keeps taking their bait, but its a thing of the past.

I would also like to state that yes, we have a lot of good interactions with Aftermath and Awakened, both generally when speaking with their leadership, and on specific encounters where they give us time / space (or attempt to at least) to let us kill something once in a while. Aftermath was also kind enough to share HoT with us last night, something I several times expressed my gratitude for. I am not really sure where the anger and animosity about that came from, but yes, I asked if there was a mage that could coth our mage, like I would've asked any other guild, and if any guild asked Europa, the answer would always be "yes, of course we can do that". You didn't have a mage who was able to help, so thats okay. I didn't go and cry to Detoxx, I asked for some help in allowing us to move our raid in so we could share HoT together - I believe it took about 30 seconds to move the mage to the right cubby after talking to your officers about it - how many DKP do I owe for the 30 seconds olf wasted time?

It doesn't change the fact though, that raiding in Velious right now is not desirable by any means. CSG didn't push for racing, we pushed for no zone pulls. We wanted the 1 hour time period so that guilds could clear down and kill the mob on its spot, not for any other reason. I am not really sure how that got misunderstood.
I don't personally give a flying fuck if people want to coth for 16 hrs or stand on a line, the difference and investment is the same, and the same people will win 98% of the time, because they are better at it. Its the same reason there are people who are much better at Counterstrike than I am.

But I am not playing on a PVP server. I am not playing to beat Chest, or Detoxx, or Daldaen every week. I am playing to beat the Envrionment. My guild is not built to beat competition, but to have fun killing mobs. We would enjoy more clearing down and setting up for one of these dragons, than we would killing it and getting the loot.

We play a different game, and thats okay to acknowledge I think. It doesn't mean that what Aftermath and Awakened are doing is wrong, by no means whatsoever. Its just not how I want to play Everquest personally, nor anyone in my guild. Because if they did, they would be in AA.
Whatever you think about the old class system, it allowed for two different playstyles on the same box. That is not currently possible. And thats okay if that is how the owner of the box and the staff on the box wants it to be.

In its current state, Velious raiding is unplayable by anyone but the 5%, and if thats how its meant to be, its working as intended. If not, someone has to look at solutions that are not about what spells you are allowed to use or how many hail marys you have to say before FTEing.
We keep being told we didn't want to talk about soltuions, but the problem is, the "problems" Detoxx and Daldaen wants solutions for, are not our problems. Its like me being asked to work with you on solving some legal trademark issue that happened in another country in a line of business I am not part of, because what if I one day wanted to start selling surfboards.
Guess what, I won't. If I loved surfboards, I would already be in that business.

I don't understand this whole them vs us mentatlity that seems to be going on here. I want Aftermath, Awakened, BDA, Fires of Heaven and what they are all called to have fun on this server. Everyone. Maybe the solution is as Nemce say to let the guilds who want to rotate movelog to red server and turn it blue, I don't know. Maybe there just isn't room for any other guilds than Aftermath and Awakend, and we go find another box to play on. Or maybe we settle for just farming HoT and Talendor for the next 3 years. I really don't know. What I do know is, that I have the outmost respect for everyone who spends as much time as we all do on this server, and want all of them to have fun. But a lot of us are not having fun at the moment.

I know its stupid to try and be sensible in RnF, but I hope people read this and get a little bit of understanding where we are coming from. Its not crying. Its not that we want to take anything away from anyone. We just want to play PvE Everquest.

[Gitem]

https://i.imgur.com/PyIbajK.png

[Skew]

There seeems to be a lot of residual anger at a lot of things here, so let me clear a few things up.

I don't really care about what happened at end of Kunark anymore. It's not a thing, it happened in the past, I am over it, Europa is over it, CSG is over it. There are still some idividuals (I am looking at you Swish) who likes to bring it up all the time, and for some reason there are people (I am looking at you BDA) who keeps taking their bait, but its a thing of the past.

I would also like to state that yes, we have a lot of good interactions with Aftermath and Awakened, both generally when speaking with their leadership, and on specific encounters where they give us time / space (or attempt to at least) to let us kill something once in a while. Aftermath was also kind enough to share HoT with us last night, something I several times expressed my gratitude for. I am not really sure where the anger and animosity about that came from, but yes, I asked if there was a mage that could coth our mage, like I would've asked any other guild, and if any guild asked Europa, the answer would always be "yes, of course we can do that". You didn't have a mage who was able to help, so thats okay. I didn't go and cry to Detoxx, I asked for some help in allowing us to move our raid in so we could share HoT together - I believe it took about 30 seconds to move the mage to the right cubby after talking to your officers about it - how many DKP do I owe for the 30 seconds olf wasted time?

It doesn't change the fact though, that raiding in Velious right now is not desirable by any means. CSG didn't push for racing, we pushed for no zone pulls. We wanted the 1 hour time period so that guilds could clear down and kill the mob on its spot, not for any other reason. I am not really sure how that got misunderstood.
I don't personally give a flying fuck if people want to coth for 16 hrs or stand on a line, the difference and investment is the same, and the same people will win 98% of the time, because they are better at it. Its the same reason there are people who are much better at Counterstrike than I am.

But I am not playing on a PVP server. I am not playing to beat Chest, or Detoxx, or Daldaen every week. I am playing to beat the Envrionment. My guild is not built to beat competition, but to have fun killing mobs. We would enjoy more clearing down and setting up for one of these dragons, than we would killing it and getting the loot.

We play a different game, and thats okay to acknowledge I think. It doesn't mean that what Aftermath and Awakened are doing is wrong, by no means whatsoever. Its just not how I want to play Everquest personally, nor anyone in my guild. Because if they did, they would be in AA.
Whatever you think about the old class system, it allowed for two different playstyles on the same box. That is not currently possible. And thats okay if that is how the owner of the box and the staff on the box wants it to be.

In its current state, Velious raiding is unplayable by anyone but the 5%, and if thats how its meant to be, its working as intended. If not, someone has to look at solutions that are not about what spells you are allowed to use or how many hail marys you have to say before FTEing.
We keep being told we didn't want to talk about soltuions, but the problem is, the "problems" Detoxx and Daldaen wants solutions for, are not our problems. Its like me being asked to work with you on solving some legal trademark issue that happened in another country in a line of business I am not part of, because what if I one day wanted to start selling surfboards.
Guess what, I won't. If I loved surfboards, I would already be in that business.

I don't understand this whole them vs us mentatlity that seems to be going on here. I want Aftermath, Awakened, BDA, Fires of Heaven and what they are all called to have fun on this server. Everyone. Maybe the solution is as Nemce say to let the guilds who want to rotate movelog to red server and turn it blue, I don't know. Maybe there just isn't room for any other guilds than Aftermath and Awakend, and we go find another box to play on. Or maybe we settle for just farming HoT and Talendor for the next 3 years. I really don't know. What I do know is, that I have the outmost respect for everyone who spends as much time as we all do on this server, and want all of them to have fun. But a lot of us are not having fun at the moment.

I know its stupid to try and be sensible in RnF, but I hope people read this and get a little bit of understanding where we are coming from. Its not crying. Its not that we want to take anything away from anyone. We just want to play PvE Everquest.


No one is reading that wall of shit.
If you put as much effort into being prepared to win a few FTEs as you did at talking for 6 hours or typing , you'd have less Pixel Deficiency Order.

[Skew]

No one is reading that wall of shit.
If you put as much effort into being prepared to win a few FTEs as you did at talking for 6 hours or typing , you'd have less Pixel Deficiency Disorder.

[Gitem]

https://i.sli.mg/YnwCL4.png

[Gitem]

http://i.imgur.com/XltV0Ux.png

[Gorillas]

Is this really how the server is administered? By a handful of no life mouth breathers who spend their entire day writing essays about engagement rules?

All those no life fucks should be ashamed of themselves.

[Ravager]

But I am not playing on a PVP server. I am not playing to beat Chest, or Detoxx, or Daldaen every week. I am playing to beat the Envrionment. My guild is not built to beat competition, but to have fun killing mobs. We would enjoy more clearing down and setting up for one of these dragons, than we would killing it and getting the loot.

A lot of guilds are of like mind. I propose the "competitive guilds" let everyone else play the content on rotation as they see fit, and then the "competitive" can race to the corpse from zoneline for first pick of loot, Crown of Riles allowed. Then the rotation guilds can play the game they want, and the "hardcore" can continue to sit on their asses for 16 hours a day to "earn" their best in slot whatever.

[Swish]

wipe it clean 2016

http://i.imgur.com/DCH9AAm.gif

[mrmop520]

It just seems silly to limit players to simply scale of wolf or w/e so that they cannot use clickies to gain an advantange. Maybe it's just me but a large part of what makes Everquest unique is the ingenious ways you can use items like clickies to improve your ability to kill, race etc. So what crown of rile gives you the ability to jump more- thats kind of the point of an instant clicky endurance item.. should we ban bladestoppers because they let classes rune and gain aggro that couldn't before? The fact that shadowstep masks (that are no rent 1-charge and take a lot of time to prepare) were banned from VP racing was ridiculous - it was at best a second gained from using them and at worst spun you around and disorientated you during the run!

[Swish]

A second is a long time in online elf simulator

[ArumTP]

It doesn't change the fact though, that raiding in Velious right now is not desirable by any means. CSG didn't push for racing, we pushed for no zone pulls. We wanted the 1 hour time period so that guilds could clear down and kill the mob on its spot, not for any other reason.

In its current state, Velious raiding is unplayable by anyone but the 5%, and if thats how its meant to be, its working as intended. If not, someone has to look at solutions that are not about what spells you are allowed to use or how many hail marys you have to say before FTEing. We keep being told we didn't want to talk about soltuions, but the problem is, the "problems" Detoxx and Daldaen wants solutions for, are not our problems.



Dissecting this great wall of text, my best counter argument.

The very moment you went to Sirkens steam and made demands on how you wanted NTOV to operate (and got those changes), you become part of the dialogue of raid rules lawyer-questing. These "problems" are your problems so long as you wish to play in our end of the raid scene. CSG's prolonged time in class R has made you far to naive and blissfully unaware of the true face of the cutthroat competition in the raid scene, this is simply what you must face if you choose to go against A/A.

[Thiefboy777]

am i getting ripped on because i think it is lame to need a PD helm to spam jump to beat people to targets? Or are you ripping on that that is even a thing in the raid scene?

I think you're getting "ripped on" for being a whiny little bitch. Want a crown? Go kill Phara Dar, it's an in game item working as intended.

Same goes for Nemce, Cuckski and the rest of you ungrateful cunts. Why the fuck A/A ever helped you out in any form is beyond me.

[Tycoon]

Rotations are fucking stupid.

[Skew]

It just seems silly to limit players to simply scale of wolf or w/e so that they cannot use clickies to gain an advantange. Maybe it's just me but a large part of what makes Everquest unique is the ingenious ways you can use items like clickies to improve your ability to kill, race etc. So what crown of rile gives you the ability to jump more- thats kind of the point of an instant clicky endurance item.. should we ban bladestoppers because they let classes rune and gain aggro that couldn't before? The fact that shadowstep masks (that are no rent 1-charge and take a lot of time to prepare) were banned from VP racing was ridiculous - it was at best a second gained from using them and at worst spun you around and disorientated you during the run!


Life is full of people who want something for nothing Wispy. This is a clash of ideology and its really pointless putting forward counter-arguments.

[Tycoon]

FTE is retarded too

[Freakish]

It sounds like Phara Dar is a natural barrier to entry to Velious mobs?

Now that's classic.

[xexbis0]

I think you're getting "ripped on" for being a whiny little bitch. Want a crown? Go kill Phara Dar, it's an in game item working as intended.

Same goes for Nemce, Cuckski and the rest of you ungrateful cunts. Why the fuck A/A ever helped you out in any form is beyond me.

Oh he mad. He real mad. He is right though unfortunately. The devs did put that crown in game originally to allow people to jump endlessly in Velious footraces.

[Gimp]

It sounds like Phara Dar is a natural barrier to entry to Velious mobs?

Now that's classic.

Zing

[Ravager]

The mods should put the forums on rotation too, then we'd only have to see Swish post once every 8 months.

[slappytwotoes]

I am surprised the ex-class R have not made their own server yet.

Wat? Im not... if you're not gunna work for it in a video game, you're not gunna work to code/run your own server.

[Swish]

The mods should put the forums on rotation too, then we'd only have to see Swish post once every 8 months.

TL;DR http://i.imgur.com/npzuuiD.gif

[jcr4990]

whats wrong with a two server solution

I've been a huge fan of the 2 server idea since I first heard it suggested. Competitive and Rotation servers and just pick your poison. People are against it cause of splitting the server population.

[Ravager]

Not really. The rotation server would have a huge population, compounded by "hardcores" filling out the rotation with alt guilds and the competitive server would have the population of red.

[Tasslehofp99]

and the competitive server would have the population of red.

I doubt it would be THAT low. There are more people in TOV during repops than red has had logged on at one time in years.

[khanable]

I doubt it would be THAT low. There are more people in TOV during repops than red has had logged on at one time in years.

lol it's funny cause true

[Man0warr]

Yeah but when there's no casuals to lord pixels over it kind of loses it's luster.

[Turp]

lol nearly all threads start with the same circle jerking trolls responding to OPs.
How do You guys get high from posting? Or it is just insanity... but
Figured it has to be some type of dopa-mine being released to be so addictive.

WTF is anyone not A/A doing discussing raid rules ¿
These "leaders" get all these rules setup than literally NONE of them show up.
Remove the non raiders from the raiders discussion.
I think <Anon?Div?etc> showed. props to them. Funny...those that showed up actually even got ToV FTE.
A/A did not even race after most targets due to mob windows being so close together and they are forced to focus manpower elsewhere...

These clueless leaders fought w/ me "wahh shorter variance won't help , Rogean pweez gib us moar rotations and repops MOAR PLEASE DURR"

Lets take the past 2 weeks. 2 repops back to back. You can see (if not blind or troll) how the past 2 weeks would go if variance was lower.
MOB WINDOWS are close together (shorter variance would keep windows closer and forever, not just repop weeks) , causing A/A to be occupied ToV, in turn leaving up lots of raid mobs for the casual raider that attempt to go after it .
But these weak leaders keep on fighting that shorter variance won't help. So enjoy what they are fighting for. These same idiots who are arguing for racing rules but then don't even show up. Shit is more pathetic than neckbeard in game..
Rather have full best in slot and millions of plat warrior , than 2k + posts and the label Forum warrior.

So casual members enjoy what your leaders push for and quit bitching.
Good luck in hoping to get a repop weekly or monthly even.
In reality a shorter variance would keep windows close and even with a 2 month gap between repops would not matter. Shorten variance and these windows will remain bundled up. or keep the same variance and soon as the repops stop (matter of when not if) then you can get beat down (no mobs) when the windows are so far apart.

I am one of the "leaders" of the casual guilds. I have no opinion on variance (as long as A A are willing to do what you are willing to do, 10 min variance or 16 hour variance only affects how many mobs A A are able to do without burning out)
No target @Culkasi this is just 1 of 10+ leaders that believe this.

[Turp]

You can see how the FUTURE raid scene would be if variance was lower.


typo

[Lojik]

Fuck no to shorter variance, you people are weak now. Think you're hot shit cause you can track for 10 hours straight? Let's see you really prove your mettle and track for 10 days straight.

It's pretty clear people will choose to wreck their lives for pixels...let's give them the opportunity to do some real damage

[Sweettouch]

Fuck no to shorter variance, you people are weak now. Think you're hot shit cause you can track for 10 hours straight? Let's see you really prove your mettle and track for 10 days straight.

It's pretty clear people will choose to wreck their lives for pixels...let's give them the opportunity to do some real damage

pls do,i want to see how low aftermath will go,oh wait...

[Nibblewitz]

pls do,i want to see how low aftermath will go,oh wait...

The neckbeards in your guild will stoop just as low. I'm proof.

[Cecily]

Didn't read thread, but safe to say it's off topic by now. I personally have a Crown of Rile and on occassion I have used it to jump for 30 minute stretches standing in EC tunnel, stopping only to refill my stamina and to scream back at people in awe of my clicky spam.

[Ciroco]

I need a translator for Turp's posts pls

[Ella`Ella]

I need a translator for Turp's posts pls

You're better off not knowing.

[Dusan]

So that time it was close, the next time it's a 4am statue, the time after that he looked down at his dog so he was a second behind, the time after that he was close again but just missed out. Maybe someday he'll break through. Just allocate up to 16 hours of your life every 5 days and maybe you can have some statue loot.

[Thu Apr 28 18:48:04 2016] The Statue of Rallos Zek engages Louu!

http://i.imgur.com/DKJhx9l.gif

[Kileras]

[Thu Apr 28 18:48:04 2016] The Statue of Rallos Zek engages Louu!

http://i.imgur.com/DKJhx9l.gif

Q.E.D.

[bktroost]

Yeah BDA wouldn't team up with awakened though. They are outspoken about being a solo guild.

[jcr4990]

The ONLY raid guild on P99 that isn't currently allied or recently merged with their allied guild(s)

Something to be proud of? I think so but..

http://i.imgur.com/LqV7B2i.gif

[Kileras]

The ONLY raid guild on P99 that isn't currently allied or recently merged with their allied guild(s)

Something to be proud of? I think so but..

http://i.imgur.com/LqV7B2i.gif

i think its dope, always thought it was rad you guys were able to hold your own and pull the big numbers to do so. in a post velious raiding guild, fielding the numbers to go into velious on a regular basis is really hard without thinking of working with others.

[Gimp]

[Thu Apr 28 18:48:04 2016] The Statue of Rallos Zek engages Louu!

I've watched the video two or three times and I still can't help but laugh at how unlucky I got on the server tick. I've seen Statue aggro people as they hit the door multiple times, but that dickhead ignored me like I wasn't even there. Good run up though, guess it's back to rangerquest like good ole PD.

[Kileras]

I've watched the video two or three times and I still can't help but laugh at how unlucky I got on the server tick. I've seen Statue aggro people as they hit the door multiple times, but that dickhead ignored me like I wasn't even there. Good run up though, guess it's back to rangerquest like good ole PD.

we don't have the crowns to spam so we gotta use bows :(

[Gimp]

we don't have the crowns to spam so we gotta use bows :(

I don't have and don't need a crown. I just got outranged, plain and simple. I have a ranger I can use from here out, so I'm not worried about it. Glad Dusan got in there, I remember showing him the ropes in VP.

[Snackies]

When I'd get that sweet yellow text I'd feel like this dude after looking outside to find it's dark out and I'm hangry

http://i.imgur.com/1dlLwds.png

Long story short, worms taste good

[Dusan]

I don't have and don't need a crown. I just got outranged, plain and simple. I have a ranger I can use from here out, so I'm not worried about it. Glad Dusan got in there, I remember showing him the ropes in VP.

Haha hell yea Gimp, happy to see of off the good guys still around :D You had me by a football field :P

I did it 4bandit :)

[LostCause]

raid rules not classic.

p99 a custom classic server.

[Gimp]

Haha hell yea Gimp, happy to see of off the good guys still around :D You had me by a football field :P

I did it 4bandit :)

Gah, I know. I thought there was no way I was gonna lose that with the way people were talking in TS. The last thing I heard was "Gimp's got this" right when I hit the door. What a cocktease. That range with pretarget is so huge in that room, but he normally faceaggros the first person through the door. That's the first time I've ever seen him not do it, go figure.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

How terrible will you all feel looking back on all these wasted hours chasing pixels when Rogean wakes up one morning and decides its time to pull the plug.

Fast forward several years.

Much like the little conductor in Shining Times Station Swish will approach children in public places with an unkempt beard uttering the phrase "Let me tell you about BDA and how they broke the Kunark rotation" as alarmed mothers punch him in the face and scream for authorities.

http://i.imgur.com/XfjwMM2.jpg

[Nibblewitz]

Don't you speak ill about my pixels.

Triggered.

[Freakish]

Won't he assist off the guards if you mallet them while you're running up? Or are they out of his assist range?

[Gimp]

Won't he assist off the guards if you mallet them while you're running up? Or are they out of his assist range?

I've never seen him aggro off of that. A couple weeks ago, Soju got FTE before he even opened the door. The one before that was face aggro at the top step. I was almost clear of the last step, which is right around 200 range and nada.

[Gimp]

The instant Louu (ranger) rounded the corner in LOS of statue, he shot an arrow and got instant FTE..no arrow travel time or anything. The whole ordeal was derpy, but whatever, Gimpluck is for realz.

[TMBLOW]

How many more posts will be made today about how Gimp lost this race and why

I am on the edge of my seat.

[Gimp]

How many more posts will be made today about how Gimp lost this race and why

I am on the edge of my seat.

Did Dannyl not teach y'all anything? GMs are looking up IPs of anon posters when your officers ask. Don't wanna lose that precious dkp of yours, peon.

[Raev]

I did it 4bandit :)

I read up on pet raccoons at one point, apparently it's quite a ride

[Gorillas]

The ONLY raid guild on P99 that isn't currently allied or recently merged with their allied guild(s)

Something to be proud of? I think so but..

http://i.imgur.com/LqV7B2i.gif

That's because you're a fucking loser who floats around waiting for your summon to Chest's ballsack

I wish you no life fucks would all finally get diabetus so other people can enjoy the end game

[Lojik]

Let's get John Madden's commentary on the FTE run up

[Lojik]

Would settle for Ray Hudson

[Gimp]

Let's get John Madden's commentary on the FTE run up

Gimme Joe Rogan.

[Lojik]

Would settle for Ray Hudson

Gimp you can be Riquelme or Messi if you want

[Gimp]

I'll happily trade DKP to let you know you seem mad about losing that FTE.

Nah, I'm good. Preciate your concern though.

Lets see if your officers really enforce their own rules for everyone or if Danny was just a scapegoat for Faum's ego getting hurt.

[tombombadilo21]

Taking bets whether or not Gimp hit 30 posts in this thread to break his previous record of 29 post in other RnF threads.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=235909

[Gimp]

I'm going over. Way, way over. Its Friday and my birthday is this weekend. I'm literally not doing shit at work for the rest of the day.

[Freakish]

Are you going in your gimp suit?

[Gimp]

Are you going in your gimp suit?

Pretty sure the casino wouldn't let me in with the gimpsuit

[jcr4990]

you no life fucks

BDA = No Life Fucks

You heard it here first. That's why we were literally the LEAST represented guild that showed up for statue race. If I didn't show up and attempt the race we would've had 0 racers. Awakened had 14 Aftermath had 12 Anon had 5 in zone last I checked before statue pop. I was about 15 min away from logging off when statue popped cause I'd had enough after almost 4 hours and nobody else wanted to do it.

Your logic is flawless. BDA members have no life whatsoever.

[Dusan]

Won't he assist off the guards if you mallet them while you're running up? Or are they out of his assist range?

I tried the guard proxy last week and came up empty handed lol

[Dusan]

http://i.imgur.com/i8q0OkD.jpg?1

BANDIT!!!!!

[renordw]

Wow I literally came to RNF to post about raid discussion. It's fucking horrible. It makes me want to quit just looking in there.

[Gimp]

I tried the guard proxy last week and came up empty handed lol

Either you got it by proxy or arrows have no flight time anymore, because you got it the second you turned the corner and got in LoS. Can still see the arrow when yellow text goes out.

[jcr4990]

Either you got it by proxy or arrows have no flight time anymore, because you got it the second you turned the corner and got in LoS. Can still see the arrow when yellow text goes out.

I doubt they'd remove arrow flight time after going to the trouble of adding it. Probably just an unlucky server tick?

[jcr4990]

Or lucky server tick depending on your guild tag

[Sweettouch]

Toxic as fuck.

[Dusan]

I'm just going to say i got really really really lucky :)
If FTE races are the solution (i'm not saying they are or aren't) i think it should be no buffs/no clicks and use of nets only for tag. 3Runners max per guild, 8hr variance. FTE in TOV/Kael/VP.

Said the guy who got an FTE once ... so yea...
But i cant argue that our guild is SUPER happy to have had the opportunity to participate in an AOW fight, something that obviously would be impossible without the help of you cool elf simulator bros. Hats off to Awakened and Aftermath for both offering their assistance. (sorry if I making your RNF too mooshey... Fuck you Trollolololol for good measures)

[jcr4990]

I'm just going to say i got really really really lucky :)
If FTE races are the solution (i'm not saying they are or aren't) i think it should be no buffs/no clicks and use of nets only for tag. 3Runners max per guild, 8hr variance. FTE in TOV/Kael/VP.

Said the guy who got an FTE once ... so yea...
But i cant argue that our guild is SUPER happy to have had the opportunity to participate in an AOW fight, something that obviously would be impossible without the help of you cool elf simulator bros. Hats off to Awakened and Aftermath for both offering their assistance. (sorry if I making your RNF too mooshey... Fuck you Trollolololol for good measures)

GL getting FTE footraces in VP :P

But otherwise I mostly agree with this. I'd like to see a better solution than footraces BUT if footraces are going to be the best we can do then we 100% should implement a max # of racers per guild. A/A having 15 racers each for Statue is just stupid lol. I think 2 racers per guild would be ideal. Use of nets only is fine (Maybe Mallets too? Same range ya?) and I've looooooooong been a huge supporter of reducing variance but staff has repeatedly told us to go f*** ourselves on that request. Pretty much the entire server agrees reducing variance and more sim repops would fix almost every problem. For some reason they won't do it.

[Lojik]

I'm just going to say i got really really really lucky :)
If FTE races are the solution (i'm not saying they are or aren't) i think it should be no buffs/no clicks and use of nets only for tag. 3Runners max per guild, 8hr variance. FTE in TOV/Kael/VP.

Said the guy who got an FTE once ... so yea...
But i cant argue that our guild is SUPER happy to have had the opportunity to participate in an AOW fight, something that obviously would be impossible without the help of you cool elf simulator bros. Hats off to Awakened and Aftermath for both offering their assistance. (sorry if I making your RNF too mooshey... Fuck you Trollolololol for good measures)

That FTE was more electrifying than a toaster in a bathtub!

[eadric]

Arrows do have flight time, but bow procs are instant. He got lucky, this time.

[Dusan]

Arrows do have flight time, but bow procs are instant. He got lucky, this time.

RACOONS OUTA THE BAG NOW!!! :P

[jcr4990]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK4FXyNcPIs

[Gimp]

Arrows do have flight time, but bow procs are instant. He got lucky, this time.

geeeeeeeze, I didn't even consider that a possibility, lol.

Dusan, you lucky sumbitch

[Signal]

So to be clear. The more casual guilds are complaining that they actually have to progress correctly to compete ? Seems to me a Crown of Rile click is a deserved advantage because the "raiding guilds" killed PD and progressed correctly. Seems like a natural entry and progression. Go kill PD and progress before taking part in Velious races. Seems like a perfect line of progression instead of being asked to be put on equal footing with guilds that have progressed by the GM's.

[Kileras]

So to be clear. The more casual guilds are complaining that they actually have to progress correctly to compete ? Seems to me a Crown of Rile click is a deserved advantage because the "raiding guilds" killed PD and progressed correctly. Seems like a natural entry and progression. Go kill PD and progress before taking part in Velious races. Seems like a perfect line of progression instead of being asked to be put on equal footing with guilds that have progressed by the GM's.

this would mean the top guilds would "progress" to velious passed VP/trak.

[Signal]

this would mean the top guilds would "progress" to velious passed VP/trak.

You want to progress as a guild correct ? Then do what other guilds have done. Compete for the targets first that gets you the gear you need to compete on the mobs in the new expansion. Don't just stand in the raid forums and beg to be put on equal footing every time the guilds who progressed correctly uses the gear they earned through previous foot races. You just come off as a someone always asking for a handout every step of the way.

"This is too hard. Please help us." So the GM helps you.

"Ok NOW this is too hard please help us again." So the GM helps you again.


When is it ever going to get easy enough to get you guys to stop complaining ? Just race in VP to start for PD and get yourselves up to that level instead of crying about a guild because they used the gear they earned.

[Signal]

can we add crown of rile spam so you can spam jump to the list of racing stuff that isn't fair to all participating? Should we also remove non LoS bard pulling ? The goal was to try and level out the playing field, and as you can see from this thread I don't think many find it very level.

It would be great to know if the spirit of the rule was to prevent train pulling, or if it was to prevent needing multiple coth mages parked coth ducking to secure FTE on anything in NtoV. It would be clear to tell if the new changes/rules helped alleviate any of that or not. The one hour to engage rule I think is a fantastic step towards making the mobs more open to lower tier guilds, but if the name of the game is still training around to the primary kill points ( west and entrance ) it is somewhat of a null point unless on a quake.

anonymous was able to survive in ToV on last quake because of people being busy elsewhere. any situation where csg/AA/div/anon/bda go for NtoV will be an absolute and complete mess.


See Kileras when most people read a post like this one you made in the Raid Discussion. All they see is someone asking for more changes because your gear isn't on par with the gear of guilds who have progressed correctly. You are asking to be put on even footing when you haven't progressed as a guild correctly to be there. You guys are asking GM's to remove all advantages that gear gives to the guilds that have progressed correctly. You are asking this AFTER Sirken has already went out of his way to make changes to help you once.

Progress your guild correctly and get the items off of Dragons that gives these small advantages instead of asking the GM's to remove the gear advantage. Heck Sirken has went out of his way to make races in VP as fair as possible and now he has for Kael and ToV as well. I mean do you guys not see how insane this is.

"Sirken I know these guys progressed and killed PD for these items. I know they are using the items for what their intended purpose was. But could you remove the use of these items because...well gee we really want to skip progression to catch up to them."

[Cecily]

See Kileras when most people read a post like this one you made in the Raid Discussion. All they see is someone asking for more changes because your gear isn't on par with the gear of guilds who have progressed correctly. You are asking to be put on even footing when you haven't progressed as a guild correctly to be there. You guys are asking GM's to remove all advantages that gear gives to the guilds that have progressed correctly. You are asking this AFTER Sirken has already went out of his way to make changes to help you once.

Progress your guild correctly and get the items off of Dragons that gives these small advantages instead of asking the GM's to remove the gear advantage. Heck Sirken has went out of his way to make races in VP as fair as possible and now he has for Kael and ToV as well. I mean do you guys not see how insane this is.

"Sirken I know these guys progressed and killed PD for these items. I know they are using the items for what their intended purpose was. But could you remove the use of these items because...well gee we really want to skip progression to catch up to them."

Yeah when I think EQ progression, I think having a Crown of Rile to jump forever on FTE footraces from the far end of the zone because we have to have horribly oppressive staff intervention because we're spoiled brats who can't share their toys.
Oh no, wait. When I think EQ progression, I think being able to kill the target.

[jcr4990]

So to be clear. The more casual guilds are complaining that they actually have to progress correctly to compete ? Seems to me a Crown of Rile click is a deserved advantage because the "raiding guilds" killed PD and progressed correctly. Seems like a natural entry and progression. Go kill PD and progress before taking part in Velious races. Seems like a perfect line of progression instead of being asked to be put on equal footing with guilds that have progressed by the GM's.

You want to progress as a guild correct ? Then do what other guilds have done. Compete for the targets first that gets you the gear you need to compete on the mobs in the new expansion. Don't just stand in the raid forums and beg to be put on equal footing every time the guilds who progressed correctly uses the gear they earned through previous foot races. You just come off as a someone always asking for a handout every step of the way.

"This is too hard. Please help us." So the GM helps you.

"Ok NOW this is too hard please help us again." So the GM helps you again.


When is it ever going to get easy enough to get you guys to stop complaining ? Just race in VP to start for PD and get yourselves up to that level instead of crying about a guild because they used the gear they earned.

See Kileras when most people read a post like this one you made in the Raid Discussion. All they see is someone asking for more changes because your gear isn't on par with the gear of guilds who have progressed correctly. You are asking to be put on even footing when you haven't progressed as a guild correctly to be there. You guys are asking GM's to remove all advantages that gear gives to the guilds that have progressed correctly. You are asking this AFTER Sirken has already went out of his way to make changes to help you once.

Progress your guild correctly and get the items off of Dragons that gives these small advantages instead of asking the GM's to remove the gear advantage. Heck Sirken has went out of his way to make races in VP as fair as possible and now he has for Kael and ToV as well. I mean do you guys not see how insane this is.

"Sirken I know these guys progressed and killed PD for these items. I know they are using the items for what their intended purpose was. But could you remove the use of these items because...well gee we really want to skip progression to catch up to them."

It smells like Aftermath in here. Did this clown seriously just imply that Crown of Rile's "intended use" was a tool to gain an edge over shitty casual guilds that haven't cleared VP for 5 years in footraces for FTE of Velious raid targets?

http://i.imgur.com/GGzmNbE.jpg

[Signal]

Yeah when I think EQ progression, I think having a Crown of Rile to jump forever on FTE footraces from the far end of the zone because we have to have horribly oppressive staff intervention because we're spoiled brats who can't share their toys.
Oh no, wait. When I think EQ progression, I think being able to kill the target.

Except you are wrong. Classic EQ progression in Velious was about having the right gear and levels to kill the targets. It was about having the proper strategy and spawn timers. Only 1 or 2 guilds on each server in Classic were consistently doing the things it took to down those targets consistently. When you look at this server and the way it has played out you have the same system. You just have more players at 60. You have that format pushed to the extreme.

So now you have GM's trying to setup a system for guilds to compete. Having that barrier of progression is healthy and gives guilds that want to break in a avenue of progression. On Classic those smaller guilds would rarely have a chance to see these targets. They have a path here that they never would have had on live. Even with that path they want to skip progression and be handed something that they never would have had in Classic on live.

I think Sirken's changes without anything being added or lawyered further is as fair as you can make it when you look at the casuals in regards to the hardcore. The casuals have their avenue for progression. Awakened and Aftermath do not commit as much resources to Trak and VP as they do ToV and Kael. Progress your guild through that avenue. Instead of taking advantage of the avenues available to them they want to completely bypass the avenue and have the larger guilds handcuffed because they did progress through those avenues.

[Signal]

It smells like Aftermath in here. Did this clown seriously just imply that Crown of Rile's "intended use" was a tool to gain an edge over shitty casual guilds that haven't cleared VP for 5 years in footraces for FTE of Velious raid targets?

http://i.imgur.com/GGzmNbE.jpg

The intended use of a Crown of Rile in classic was to refill the endurance bar. You could run and jump to your hearts content. You sir smell like a BDA member who simply can't grasp the concept of working for something and earning it. You guys are the new age of America. Whine until you get your way because if you whine loud and long enough things will get handed to you. Right ?

[Signal]

Also show us these members who have been here 5+ years and raided VP the entire time. They are rare on this server. 85% or more of Aftermath and Awakened doesn't meet that criteria you set forth. Their raiding of VP probably only consists mostly of the last 2 to 2 and a half years. With the last 9 months of that limited because of Velious. The number of active players with a Crown of Rile that race in these races isn't that high I would wager. Your guild honestly would only need 2 or 3 to be on equal footing. But yeah let's ban progression and just make everything equal. Because ya know. Working for things is bad.

[Cecily]

It's cute. You're trying sooo hard to make the argument for Crown of Rile = necessary P99 progression. As someone who has a crown, it's not. At all. It's a toy.

[Signal]

It's cute. You're trying sooo hard to make the argument for Crown of Rile = necessary P99 progression. As someone who has a crown, it's not. At all. It's a toy.

You are pretty dense if you think that is all a Crown of Rile ever was on live. It literally makes life easier for any pulling class in Everquest. I tend to forget you are just a rogue that sits in camp for Dragons though. So you likely wouldn't understand. I think it's cute that you are trying to argue otherwise honestly. It does show your lack of knowledge about Everquest though.

[Cecily]

I don't appreciate the personal attacks just because you have a shitty argument.

[Mistle]

I don't think I've ever seen someone as afraid of being put on equal footing as other people as Signal is. It's not just worry, it's outright fear.

[Signal]

I don't appreciate the personal attacks just because you have a shitty argument.

Well when your argument is the shitty part of the discussion expect to be called dense. What can I tell ya besides that ? When it is obvious you have no real understanding of the value of the item in question and you try to undermine the value of that item to prove a point. Your argument is dense. Ask any Monk who has pulled a Dragon/mob while having this item what they use it for. It's to move faster to get away from the mob via unlimited jumps.

So yeah dunno what to say to you. I call you dense because you moved your fingers and typed out something dense. Try better next time ?

[Cecily]

I don't appreciate the personal attacks just because you have a shitty argument.

[Signal]

I don't think I've ever seen someone as afraid of being put on equal footing as other people as Signal is. It's not just worry, it's outright fear.

Yeah, fear is what it is. In reality that isn't the case at all. People have raided on this server and earned their items by raiding on this server under rulesets condoned by GM's. They put forth time and effort and now smaller guilds who do not want to put in effort wants everything these raiders have earned taken away from them so they can compete.

In reality I think the proper comment here is. "I don't think I have ever seen a group of people as afraid of work and progression as that of the Casual guilds". Seriously that is the truth here. You guys literally will be given something and demand more. Every single time. Anything that requires work and effort you guys want removed from the picture.

[jcr4990]

The intended use of a Crown of Rile in classic was to refill the endurance bar. You could run and jump to your hearts content. You sir smell like a BDA member who simply can't grasp the concept of working for something and earning it. You guys are the new age of America. Whine until you get your way because if you whine loud and long enough things will get handed to you. Right ?

Do you ever stop and listen to the things you say? Cause I'm almost embarrassed for you at this point. Do you think ANYONE on the original EQ dev team thought to themselves "We need to make an item that will allow hardcore neckbeards to jump indefinitely so they can win FTE footraces and show those casual scum who's boss til they go farm VP themselves for 5 years so they can 'earn it'" you're quite literally out of your mind if that's honestly what you think. But we all know that's not really what you think it's just a dumb argument you made to support your dumb position. Let me ask you this. Do you REALLY think the average A/A member puts in significantly more "work" to "earn" their pixels than the average BDA or Europa or Anonymous member? For those that don't know here's a day in the life of the average raider in ANY (not just a/a) raid guild on P99.

1: Carry x y z 'required' consumables that 1/2 the raid doesn't bother to get or keep charged

2: "Park" your character wherever /get or website tells you to for upcoming dragon

3: Log in when you receive a batphone

4: Perform your classes (almost always) extremely easy role

5: Collect DKP/Pixels

6: Go back to step 2 rinse/repeat

This isn't rocket science. Almost all of the "hard" work is carried out by a super small group of people at the top of each guild. I put "hard" in quotes cause I'm not really sure you can call staring at a screen waiting for a mob to pop for 16 hrs or spam clicking a crown of rile to run to a mob faster "hard" but I'll let that slide. The vast majority of every raider on this server just logs in and hits their ch macro or backstab button for a while then logs off. You're not better than me cause the core neckbeard group in your guild neckbearded harder than the core neckbeard group in my guild. You didn't "earn" something that I didn't because when you get a batphone and log in to do exactly what everyone else does your guild tag happens to be Aftermath. You also didn't "earn" the right to have a significant advantage in all Velious footraces cause you belong to one of 2 guilds that had a monopoly on Veeshan's Peak for 5 years.

Get real

[Cecily]

You sound like someone who appreciates Fox news.

[Kodim]

Can we swap to a client where weapon swings drain endurance, so Rile has an actual use?

[Signal]

Do you ever stop and listen to the things you say? Cause I'm almost embarrassed for you at this point. Do you think ANYONE on the original EQ dev team thought to themselves "We need to make an item that will allow hardcore neckbeards to jump indefinitely so they can win FTE footraces and show those casual scum who's boss til they go farm VP themselves for 5 years so they can 'earn it'" you're quite literally out of your mind if that's honestly what you think. But we all know that's not really what you think it's just a dumb argument you made to support your dumb position. Let me ask you this. Do you REALLY think the average A/A member puts in significantly more "work" to "earn" their pixels than the average BDA or Europa or Anonymous member? For those that don't know here's a day in the life of the average raider in ANY (not just a/a) raid guild on P99.

1: Carry x y z 'required' consumables that 1/2 the raid doesn't bother to get or keep charged

2: "Park" your character wherever /get or website tells you to for upcoming dragon

3: Log in when you receive a batphone

4: Perform your classes (almost always) extremely easy role

5: Collect DKP/Pixels

6: Go back to step 2 rinse/repeat

This isn't rocket science. Almost all of the "hard" work is carried out by a super small group of people at the top of each guild. I put "hard" in quotes cause I'm not really sure you can call staring at a screen waiting for a mob to pop for 16 hrs or spam clicking a crown of rile to run to a mob faster "hard" but I'll let that slide. The vast majority of every raider on this server just logs in and hits their ch macro or backstab button for a while then logs off. You're not better than me cause the core neckbeard group in your guild neckbearded harder than the core neckbeard group in my guild. You didn't "earn" something that I didn't because when you get a batphone and log in to do exactly what everyone else does your guild tag happens to be Aftermath. You also didn't "earn" the right to have a significant advantage in all Velious footraces cause you belong to one of 2 guilds that had a monopoly on Veeshan's Peak for 5 years.

Get real

All I read is more whining in this long drawn out post. This is the mentality of BDA to a tee. Claim something isn't being used as intended. Try to point out how easy things are to do even if they take time and work to do. Yet they aren't willing to do them (Literally it's a small time commitment if you aren't tracking). Then claim they don't want to compete that way because somehow it isn't fair. Yet according to you. You just laid out how easy it is.

BTW everyone feels sorry for you when you post. Not the other way around here. We all pray you stop. You are the only guy in RNF who has actually been shitty to people in game and then you come to RNF trying to play some kind of white knight card. It's amazing really.

[Signal]

You sound like someone who appreciates Fox news.

I don't appreciate personal attacks...

[Godefroi]

Cecily is condescendant towards hardcore raiders after being one for years, even jumping ship for pixels.

the amount of time you spend posting here would probably get you decent DKP would you spend it playing in either top guilds fyi.

just shut up and app you doink, i'll vouch for your ass, slydexx said it's ok too ;)

[Cecily]

I don't disagree with you that the Crown of Rile is a nice thing to have. I disagree with your argument that it in any way resembles progression or is otherwise necessary to compete. The Crown was a status symbol. It meant you beat Kunark. The game has moved on. If you can abuse it to gain an advantage on people without one, go for it. Nothing more classic than that. But this type of min max escalation is more a product of our fucked up raid scene unique to P99. I don't see spamming an invis breaker to make a guaranteed train otw to securing a FTE being very classic, but maybe that's me being dense.

[quido]

blue is for maggots, and jcr4990 is the king of the maggots - a crown for a king

[jcr4990]

Claim something isn't being used as intended.

This is a fact. Crown of Rile was not intended by original EQ devs to be used to win FTE footraces. This is not disputable.

Try to point out how easy things are to do even if they take time and work to do.

Taking an excessive/unreasonable amount of time to do something doesn't make it hard. Also not disputable.

Yet they aren't willing to do them

Mostly cause we don't have people willing to stare at empty rooms with bind sight for 16 hours. It's not hard its just incredibly dumb and unfun. Pretty much everyone agrees with this.

Then claim they don't want to compete that way because somehow it isn't fair.

I can't speak for others but I don't believe I ever said I didn't want to compete the way A/A competes because it wasn't fair. I simply don't want to do it because it's purely and simply not fun. The levels of fuckery required to participate in top tier raiding perpetuated by A/A and Rampage/Forsaken before them and IB/TMO before them is ludicrous.

[Signal]

I don't disagree with you that the Crown of Rile is a nice thing to have. I disagree with your argument that it in any way resembles progression or is otherwise necessary to compete. The Crown was a status symbol. It meant you beat Kunark. The game has moved on. If you can abuse it to gain an advantage on people without one, go for it. Nothing more classic than that. But this type of min max escalation is more a product of our fucked up raid scene unique to P99. I don't see spamming an invis breaker to make a guaranteed train otw to securing a FTE being very classic, but maybe that's me being dense.

I can see where you are coming from. However, I will point out that no matter what you use trains will result from these races. Each zone has see invis mobs and KoS mobs that are unavoidable on the paths of these races. I do disagree that a Crown of Rile is only a status symbol. It is a pretty powerful item that has a LOT of uses in classic everquest. We just have different opinions about this I guess.

[Cecily]

Cecily is condescendant towards hardcore raiders after being one for years, even jumping ship for pixels.

the amount of time you spend posting here would probably get you decent DKP would you spend it playing in either top guilds fyi.

just shut up and app you doink, i'll vouch for your ass, slydexx said it's ok too ;)

You could call that being a hypocrite. I consider it having a unique perspective on what I consider a seriously dysfunctional raid scene which is absolutely unhealthy to its participants in way that affects their life outside of the game. I'm not trying to be condescending*. I'm trying to save you idiots from yourselves because I'm one of you and want to help.

Also, I jumped ship because FE was driving me insane. I had enough banked dkp to get plenty more pixels. And if joined one of those guilds, I couldn't make fun of both of them. Or even post here. This is more fun than the game.

[Signal]

This is a fact. Crown of Rile was not intended by original EQ devs to be used to win FTE footraces. This is not disputable.



Taking an excessive/unreasonable amount of time to do something doesn't make it hard. Also not disputable.



Mostly cause we don't have people willing to stare at empty rooms with bind sight for 16 hours. It's not hard its just incredibly dumb and unfun. Pretty much everyone agrees with this.


I can't speak for others but I don't believe I ever said I didn't want to compete the way A/A competes because it wasn't fair. I simply don't want to do it because it's purely and simply not fun. The levels of fuckery required to participate in top tier raiding perpetuated by A/A and Rampage/Forsaken before them and IB/TMO before them is ludicrous.

So you are claiming that a Crown of Rile was not intended to instantly refill the endurance bar in classic to make use of weapons/discs/jumping easier for the classes that had them ? Because that is all they were being used for in races. You know the actual intent of the clicky and what it was meant to be used for.

Most of the things you say are not disputable are in fact very easily disputable. So much so anyone could sit here and dispute them all day. I doubt anyone has the time or the desire to sit here and dispute all your inaccuracies though. They just pile up so fast for you.

[Troubled]

So you are claiming that a Crown of Rile was not intended to instantly refill the endurance bar in classic to make use of weapons/discs/jumping easier for the classes that had them ? Because that is all they were being used for in races. You know the actual intent of the clicky and what it was meant to be used for.

Most of the things you say are not disputable are in fact very easily disputable. So much so anyone could sit here and dispute them all day. I doubt anyone has the time or the desire to sit here and dispute all your inaccuracies though. They just pile up so fast for you.

You're defending refilling your endurance bar so you can jump more while strafe running in a race to get to a mob a half second earlier after looking at someone else's screen for up to 16 hours waiting for it to spawn in this ridiculous variance system?

You are absolutely out of your fucking mind.

http://i.imgur.com/Y2KGLdu.gif

[Signal]

You're defending refilling your endurance bar so you can jump more while strafe running in a race to get to a mob a half second earlier after looking at someone else's screen for up to 16 hours waiting for it to spawn in this ridiculous variance system?

You are absolutely out of your fucking mind.

http://i.imgur.com/Y2KGLdu.gif

Oh look. Someone who was/is in BDA defending the view of someone who is in BDA. Color me shocked.

Again I doubt anyone on this server will claim the raiding system is as good as it could be. I do think with Sirken's changes and just his initial changes it strikes a good balance. That is the difference between people who have raided on the server for awhile and those who are trying to do it now. We know what the raiding scene was and how the current changes are a big improvement and strikes a good balance. Those of you who claim to know really don't because you never actually competed in the environment under different sets of rules. The people trying to break into it now don't know either. They simply want it to continuously be made as easy as possible for them. To the point that it eliminates the progression other guilds have made on the server. Which if we are talking about being fair here isn't fair or balanced.

Maybe, for once try to think of everyone involved in this instead of yourselves (And this isn't directed at your Troubled just casual guilds in general). Players have raided on this server under different rules for awhile. They have improved and progressed their characters. You can't simply ask for changes that eliminates the things they earned to make their characters what they are simply because "It's too hard to compete against those characters". Go through the same progression they did. It's easier for you now.

[Phantasm]

http://i.imgur.com/AVSLFPz.png

do us a favor and use that crown to jump out of a window

[Signal]

http://i.imgur.com/AVSLFPz.png

do us a favor and use that crown to jump out of a window

I am not into doing favors for people who can't put in effort to do things themselves.

[Colgate]

yowl ever take a step back and think about what it is ur doing before u hit that post reply button?

[jcr4990]

yowl ever take a step back and think about what it is ur doing before u hit that post reply button?

Funny before I even saw your post I was thinking to myself "Why the fuck am I defending myself against this braindead fuck that thinks Crown of Rile was designed for FTE races and that facetracking for 16 hrs is perfectly normal/acceptable behavior and all the casual guilds are assholes for wanting to experience the game without resorting to all these absurd tactics?"

The answer? I really don't have one :(

[Signal]

Funny before I even saw your post I was thinking to myself "Why the fuck am I defending myself against this braindead fuck that thinks Crown of Rile was designed for FTE races and that facetracking for 16 hrs is perfectly normal/acceptable behavior and all the casual guilds are assholes for wanting to experience the game without resorting to all these absurd tactics?"

The answer? I really don't have one :(

You really are grasping for someone to agree with you who doesn't share your guild tag aren't ya ? I'm sure the red guys are a good route to go for that...Good thinking.

[jcr4990]

You really are grasping for someone to agree with you who doesn't share your guild tag aren't ya ? I'm sure the red guys are a good route to go for that...Good thinking.

When you can find 1 person that agrees with you let me know. Til then just shh shh shh k pumpkin?

[Sweettouch]

This Signal guy has no life and is a pussy. End of story