Cheating everywhere, GMs???

[Confit]

yall hear the new beat that dropped in blue un?

shit is so fire

It's amazing lol

[Plaguu~]

If they ever decided to have a competitive server and a rotation server the competitive server would be fucking deader than red. Not only would there be no real competition, but also no noobs to show off your phat loots to.

End competitive EQ raiding on P99 2022.

[Allishia]

If they ever decided to have a competitive server and a rotation server the competitive server would be fucking deader than red. Not only would there be no real competition, but also no noobs to show off your phat loots to.

End competitive EQ raiding on P99 2022.

LoL, I don't think you realize how crappy it would be with rotation long term. People will make splinter guilds with alts just like they did here pre velious. Rotation sounds nice with 4 or 5 guilds but when you have 20 guilds+ and new ones forming increasing the rotation time, good luck :p.

[karadin]

If they ever decided to have a competitive server and a rotation server the competitive server would be fucking deader than red. Not only would there be no real competition, but also no noobs to show off your phat loots to.

End competitive EQ raiding on P99 2022.

Thankfully the owners of this box have said on many occasions that they do not want enforced rotations. They knew what they were doing when they made this project.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

LoL, I don't think you realize how crappy it would be with rotation long term. People will make splinter guilds with alts just like they did here pre velious. Rotation sounds nice with 4 or 5 guilds but when you have 20 guilds+ and new ones forming increasing the rotation time, good luck :p.

Yeah rotations really suck. If you want instancing/rotations, play TLP, it already exists.

I am beginning to think most people on P99 who want rotations are just people who want a free TLP server. They are too cheap to pay 15 bucks a month.

I am not sure what P99 offers compared to TLP if you put instancing/rotations in. They would be very similar at that point, and honestly people would quit P99 faster too, just like TLP. You can see what rotations do to the TLP servers, people get their loot and leave.

[Tunabros]

rotations will ruin p99 tbh

it sounds good on paper but it will be a nightmare to manage

[Ripqozko]

Don’t need rotation just up frequency of drafts and y’all can compete against yourself. Server was won in 2015 no one cares, hope that helps.

[Kawhi]

I didn't read the whole thread but this 1 in 3.5 million argument is just bad math even if we don't consider all the hardware/networking issues.

There is a clear selection bias that you'd expect here. These aren't randomly selected racers from the P99 population. These people are the best racers from each guild. So trying to measure how many standard deviations you are from the population mean is pretty lol.

As an extreme example, take the 100m dash. What is the probability that a randomly picked person from the planet will run < 10 seconds? It's pretty much 0. What is the probability that the winner of the Olympics will run < 10 seconds. It's pretty much 1.

[Samoht]

I didn't read the whole thread but this 1 in 3.5 million argument is just bad math even if we don't consider all the hardware/networking issues.

There is a clear selection bias that you'd expect here. These aren't randomly selected racers from the P99 population. These people are the best racers from each guild. So trying to measure how many standard deviations you are from the population mean is pretty lol.

As an extreme example, take the 100m dash. What is the probability that a randomly picked person from the planet will run < 10 seconds? It's pretty much 0. What is the probability that the winner of the Olympics will run < 10 seconds. It's pretty much 1.

I like this explanation.

[fritzad1]

I like this explanation.

Obviously a bad take then

[zati]

LoL, I don't think you realize how crappy it would be with rotation long term. People will make splinter guilds with alts just like they did here pre velious. Rotation sounds nice with 4 or 5 guilds but when you have 20 guilds+ and new ones forming increasing the rotation time, good luck :p.

Right so you're saying hardcore players wouldn't quit over a rotation they'd be even more pixel craving enough to create alts. Disgusting

Thankfully the owners of this box have said on many occasions that they do not want enforced rotations. They knew what they were doing when they made this project.

Drafts are like enforced rotations. I guess they don't know what they are doing.

Yeah rotations really suck. If you want instancing/rotations, play TLP, it already exists.

I am beginning to think most people on P99 who want rotations are just people who want a free TLP server. They are too cheap to pay 15 bucks a month.

I am not sure what P99 offers compared to TLP if you put instancing/rotations in. They would be very similar at that point, and honestly people would quit P99 faster too, just like TLP. You can see what rotations do to the TLP servers, people get their loot and leave.

I'm beginning to think most people on P99 don't want rotations or a fairer system because DKP would be on the fence. People get their loot and leave all the time. According to some posters above they'd make more alts to get into the rotation list.

rotations will ruin p99 tbh

it sounds good on paper but it will be a nightmare to manage

Where's the solid evidence to prove this? Also you prob won't be the one managing it anyway

Don’t need rotation just up frequency of drafts and y’all can compete against yourself. Server was won in 2015 no one cares, hope that helps.

Only guy that gets it and I don't even know the asshole.

[ArbiterBlixen]

Obviously a bad take then

lol, this is the kind of person you're arguing with. He doesn't care what's being said only who's saying it.

[Kohedron]

pvp would take care of this.

Oh instancing would too, but oh right, you all "don't like that" when you obviously do.

Because if instancing was a thing, this thread would be moot.

[ClephNote]

Nope. No man, I don't even have a FD class and I've never raced or fte'd or had a yellow text in my life and I like posting useless information and gaslighting to achieve my own agendas. I think we might be related.

Wow, you have a FD class? I’d check out wow or TLP. Instancing is even better than rotations. It’s a rotation every cycle! And you can have your super cool, successful life the whole day outside of scheduled raid times. Have fun having sex, Normie.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I'm beginning to think most people on P99 don't want rotations or a fairer system because DKP would be on the fence. People get their loot and leave all the time. According to some posters above they'd make more alts to get into the rotation list.


I am not really sure what point you are trying to make here at all. DKP still exists on the TLP servers that have instancing (rotations). What is the relevance?

[zati]

I am not really sure what point you are trying to make here at all. DKP still exists on the TLP servers that have instancing (rotations). What is the relevance?

Not making any points. Sure they use DKP in TLP but it'd be competition within its own guild by that standard because P99 isn't instanced. Instances are not equal to rotations.

They would be very similar at that point, and honestly people would quit P99 faster too, just like TLP. You can see what rotations do to the TLP servers, people get their loot and leave.

I was mainly answering this statement. Regardless of server type,rule-set, etc.. people loot their stuff and leave all the time. Draft week is like an enforced rotation and there are many that attend and enjoy it. What is the relevance stating "people would quit P99 faster too"?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Not making any points. Sure they use DKP in TLP but it'd be competition within its own guild by that standard because P99 isn't instanced. Instances are not equal to rotations.

Instances are equal to rotations, the only difference is how often you get to play the instance. DKP IS competition within your own guild. I am not sure if you understand DKP correctly.

[zati]

Instances are equal to rotations, the only difference is how often you get to play the instance. DKP IS competition within your own guild. I am not sure if you understand DKP correctly.

Guild A starts an instance kills Dragon A - Starts a spawn timer

Guild B starts an instance kills same Dragon A - Starts their own separate spawn timer

Both can be done at anytime at will.? P99 isn't instanced only 1 Dragon spawns for the entire server.

Guild A kills Dragon A starts the timer... Guild A/B/C/D/E/F/G must wait on the same spawntimer for dragon to spawn. DKP is actually comprised on this and isn't only within your own guild.

Pretty bold but I'm not sure if you understand correctly. TLP instances have respawn timers last I checked. It isn't like WoW you can load a dungeon over and over and over.

[ClephNote]

Yeah, exactly. You’re exactly right. Two guilds kill two targets on two timers. Everyone here shares one spawn. So you gotta compete for it. Not rotate it so the losers in G get their instance experience on a non instances server.

At least you have a FD class; though.

[Ravager]

get gud scrubs

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Guild A starts an instance kills Dragon A - Starts a spawn timer

Guild B starts an instance kills same Dragon A - Starts their own separate spawn timer

Both can be done at anytime at will.? P99 isn't instanced only 1 Dragon spawns for the entire server.

Guild A kills Dragon A starts the timer... Guild A/B/C/D/E/F/G must wait on the same spawntimer for dragon to spawn. DKP is actually comprised on this and isn't only within your own guild.

Pretty bold but I'm not sure if you understand correctly. TLP instances have respawn timers last I checked. It isn't like WoW you can load a dungeon over and over and over.

It doesn't matter about the nitty gritty details on spawn timers. Instances are the same concept as a rotation. The whole purpose of rotations/instancing is to allow a player or group of players uncontested access to the content. The only difference is the frequency by which you can access the content. Typically instancing is faster than rotations, especially if classic timers were kept, but that is the only difference.

DKP is exclusive to a single guild both on P99 and TLP. Unless the guild allows you to transfer DKP from an old guild, you can only use DKP in the guild you are in. I am not sure where you are getting this information that DKP is shared.

[ClephNote]

Someone give this man a pity Vulak.

[Twochain]

You seem very emotionally about it,but EQ staring at a screen for 16hrs straight waiting for a mob knowing when it spawns, knowing its exact location, using third party programs to assist(gina,discord) isn't competition. It's just pixel illness at that point to justify said behaviors. You act as if you "require another entity" in EQ to feel some sort of advancement and took my OoT out of context. You know those racers are playing versus "time" right? Ofc they post their timed runs and compare it to others online to see who is the fastest; but again they are playing in an "instanced environment". Raid end game scene is mostly like that now but the competition is still TIME (hitting the mob first in the most ridiculously way possible).

Take trakanon for example. You guys got a mage sitting on the hill for hours looking thru a wall listening to music and chatting on discord waiting for the mob to spawn so he can send off a batphone. Other 30-50 individuals are sitting at their desks staring at their character screens to hit "enter world" half aren't even gonna get summoned and they know it just to collect DKP. Your "Competition" is also doing the same thing yet the sole deciding factor of who wins is whoever can hit CoTH the quickest and most rogues available made it in the lair(Cause it might be 3 am!). God that's really competitive, required lots of skill, glitching, accumulation of years of expansive knowledge.........Yeah bud, Like I said EQ isn't not an E-sport, Hope this helps.

Idk if emotional is the right word. Passionate yes. But you're talking to a raider who has been under 10% for 2 years. Nor am i someone who has the attention span to stare at a screen for 16 hours. I'm also the person who shouts from the mountain tops that all races should be roll offs for the entire window because screen staring is bad.

IDK, Bud, but in the 6 years that i've raided on this server... nvm. I don't even know who you are, i'm not going to argue with you.

You seem mad, I am not mad. Hope this helps.

[zati]

It doesn't matter about the nitty gritty details on spawn timers. Instances are the same concept as a rotation. The whole purpose of rotations/instancing is to allow a player or group of players uncontested access to the content. The only difference is the frequency by which you can access the content. Typically instancing is faster than rotations, especially if classic timers were kept, but that is the only difference.

DKP is exclusive to a single guild both on P99 and TLP. Unless the guild allows you to transfer DKP from an old guild, you can only use DKP in the guild you are in. I am not sure where you are getting this information that DKP is shared.

Agree with most if not all of what you say here except "DKP is shared" never said that.. I said it would be compromised. The flaw is through rotations there's less reason to implement DKP sources because of the uncontested access to content. There wouldn't be a reason for people to waste their time to acquire dkp standing at a race line and or tracking zones at 3am.

Ya still didn't answer why P99 would result in a mass exodus if rotations were implemented besides look "Look at TLP! See what happend to them?" That's weak evidence IMO. Like a scare tactic, spreading FUD to maintain a broken raid scene "doing this kills the server!"

[zati]

Idk if emotional is the right word. Passionate yes. But you're talking to a raider who has been under 10% for 2 years. Nor am i someone who has the attention span to stare at a screen for 16 hours. I'm also the person who shouts from the mountain tops that all races should be roll offs for the entire window because screen staring is bad.

IDK, Bud, but in the 6 years that i've raided on this server... nvm. I don't even know who you are, i'm not going to argue with you.

You seem mad, I am not mad. Hope this helps.

You're good, I wasn't trying to argue with u to begin with. Definitely passionate about EQ no doubt about that. I don't even raid anymore either. Screen staring is unhealthy / unnecessary and it shouldn't be a thing for future raiders that's all I'm tryna get at. Solutions to it get thrown out the window but w/e. I ain't mad and I'm glad you aren't either.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Agree with most if not all of what you say here except "DKP is shared" never said that.. I said it would be compromised. The flaw is through rotations there's less reason to implement DKP sources because of the uncontested access to content. There wouldn't be a reason for people to waste their time to acquire dkp standing at a race line and or tracking zones at 3am.

Ya still didn't answer why P99 would result in a mass exodus if rotations were implemented besides look "Look at TLP! See what happend to them?" That's weak evidence IMO. Like a scare tactic, spreading FUD to maintain a broken raid scene "doing this kills the server!"

Ah it seems you spelled compromised "comprised", so I read your post wrong. Thanks for clarifying.

DKP would still be necessary in a Rotation/Instance. Why? Because it is the best way to incentivize people to show up. You can't kill a dragon with 2 players. DKP is basically the acknowledgement that you participated in the raid, and thus get compensation. Doing /random or something similar is usually a guaranteed way to bleed good players, because inevitably one guy who goes to every raid keeps getting shafted on the item he wants by a new player lucking out and winning the roll.

Oh the reason why people would leave P99 with a rotation is pretty obvious, and supported by years of TLP data. With instancing, more items drop per week than with a non-instanced game. If there are 10 guilds who can do Vulak weekly, you are getting 10x Vulak kills a week on the server. This means players will get all of the loot they want literally 10x faster, and then they lose interest. Keeping items rare extends play time.

For rotations, assuming regular timers are kept, people would stop playing during the time between raids. If you have 10 guilds in a rotation for Vulak, that means you get to kill Vulak once every 10 weeks. So those players will just stop playing for 9 weeks at a time lol. Both situations kill the population.

[zati]

Ah it seems you spelled compromised "comprised", so I read your post wrong. Thanks for clarifying.

DKP would still be necessary in a Rotation/Instance. Why? Because it is the best way to incentivize people to show up. You can't kill a dragon with 2 players. DKP is basically the acknowledgement that you participated in the raid, and thus get compensation. Doing /random or something similar is usually a guaranteed way to bleed good players, because inevitably one guy who goes to every raid keeps getting shafted on the item he wants by a new player lucking out and winning the roll.

Oh the reason why people would leave P99 with a rotation is pretty obvious, and supported by years of TLP data. With instancing, more items drop per week than with a non-instanced game. If there are 10 guilds who can do Vulak weekly, you are getting 10x Vulak kills a week on the server. This means players will get all of the loot they want literally 10x faster, and then they lose interest. Keeping items rare extends play time.

For rotations, assuming regular timers are kept, people would stop playing during the time between raids. If you have 10 guilds in a rotation for Vulak, that means you get to kill Vulak once every 10 weeks. So those players will just stop playing for 9 weeks at a time lol. Both situations kill the population.

Right on. Good eye on that typo. Can't edit posts apparently. I would be against instancing for sure 100%. Lowers the value of existing items or the perception of it. Only thing I am skeptical about is the rotation hurting the population ; that seems to be the most common attitude towards it. Even when 7 day spawns are up people log in to level-up alts regardless what mobs are currently in window. Vulak isn't the only mob in game and affects maybe a handful of players. Hardcore raiders have more than an average of 5 lvl 60 toons or more and are willing to make alts-guilds to reenter a list. Think about that unhealthy habit for just a moment..

[mycoolrausch]

P99 is a case study in the importance of instancing. Though I don't think anyone needs the lesson, the only people who dislike instancing on planet earth are all here.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Right on. Good eye on that typo. Can't edit posts apparently. I would be against instancing for sure 100%. Lowers the value of existing items or the perception of it. Only thing I am skeptical about is the rotation hurting the population ; that seems to be the most common attitude towards it. Even when 7 day spawns are up people log in to level-up alts regardless what mobs are currently in window. Vulak isn't the only mob in game and affects maybe a handful of players. Hardcore raiders have more than an average of 5 lvl 60 toons or more and are willing to make alts-guilds to reenter a list. Think about that unhealthy habit for just a moment..

Yeah I am super annoyed about Rants and Flames not allowing edit functionality.

Unfortunately a lot of mobs are on 7 day timers, not just Vulak. So any player who wants loot from a 7 day spawn is going to have to wait 10 weeks per cycle if 10 guilds are in the rotation. That is probably too much for even P99 raiders to handle. If you only get 5 attempts to kill a 7 day spawn per year, there is a good chance the mob won't even drop the item you want. People will stop playing for weeks at a time while waiting.

Even casual raiders (who just want to get their epics) would need to wait like 5 weeks per chance at getting golems if those were rotated. Probably more since smaller guilds can do them too, so your rotation number would increase. So you are scaring off both casual and hardcore raiders this way.

Regular players who don't raid may not be affected, and they are a good chunk of the server, but I still feel it is unhealthy population-wise to basically turn off a few hundred players for weeks at a time while they are waiting.

I think rotations would only work if they decreased the mob spawn timers, but the more you do that the closer it gets to approaching TLP levels of raid kills per week, and thus you will have the problem with instanced servers. That is why I don't think we can ever find a good solution via Rotations or Instancing.

[PlsNoBan]

For the few people saying "Classic Everquest wasn't competitive", you're just not accepting the reality.

The entire game, in the "Classic" era and all the way through PoP, was designed to be competitive.

Every single aspect of this game is competitive, by its very nature, then you add a time locked server and that design will naturally magnify. This is the natural evolution of what "Classic" would have been had Smedley and company decided to take their time and not kill the game with half-assed and quick release expansion drops with little to no meaningful content. That was the number one factor and final nail in the coffin which every player on live could see, clear as day.

I can't believe there are people that have played here for years and don't recognize that this game, in era, has always been and will always be competitive. If you don't like competition, then you're playing the wrong game and/or server.

Stop your bitching and moaning at the owners of this server and those that work to facilitate and enjoy this goal immensely in an attempt to go against the very essence of what a successful Everquest was, and what Project 1999 is.

Sorry to detour your cheating dialogue, please continue.


This post reeks of P99 brain rot. If you're told a lie often enough you'll believe anything I guess. Everquest raiding wasn't designed to be competitive. You're literally an insane person if you actually believe that. Not having the technology to implement instances in 1999 is NOT the same thing as saying "We intend for mentally ill neckbeards to stare at their monitor for 16 hours waiting for a pixel giant to spawn so they can run their pre-practiced race path to FTE it before anyone else every week"

You're aware many live servers had GM enforced raid rotations in classic right? They implemented instances literally as quickly as was technologically feasible for them to do so because it was pretty much immediately obvious how toxic and bad open world "competition" for raid targets was.

That said I'm not condoning rotations on P99. They wouldn't be a great solution here for reasons already well known and stated. The aforementioned mentally ill neckbeards would make splinter alt guilds to clog up rotation and it would be a mess. Only way it would work is if you set a hard limit on number of guilds that could be in rotation and force everyone to join one of x number of guilds that have a rotation slot if they want to raid. As awful as that sounds it'd honestly be better than the bullshit that goes on currently but that's besides the point.


Lol @ actually thinking EQ devs built the game for competitive PvE raiding. I'm still chucklin over here. Thanks for that.

[Naethyn]

The problem is every time a new power comes into play they are captured by the lording of pixels instead of making change.

[Ravager]

The problem is every time a new power comes into play they are captured by the lording of pixels instead of making change.

The ones that try to change things get sabotaged by others with the pixel lust. The power guild in charge that tries to make things fair will have a faction inside it that splinters off because they don't think it's fair and want more. Or, in a coalition of guilds, the ones that want to keep things fair will have a guild or guilds splinter off that thinks they need more. I've seen it several times on this server. Without several servers running (which is classic), there will never be a server for the casuals.

So, if you want pixels, get good scrubs in your guild who have nothing better to do than get you pixels.

[Grumph]

The ones that try to change things get sabotaged by others with the pixel lust. The power guild in charge that tries to make things fair will have a faction inside it that splinters off because they don't think it's fair and want more. Or, in a coalition of guilds, the ones that want to keep things fair will have a guild or guilds splinter off that thinks they need more. I've seen it several times on this server. Without several servers running (which is classic), there will never be a server for the casuals.

So, if you want pixels, get good scrubs in your guild who have nothing better to do than get you pixels.

Wasn't Teal a "Server for the casuals?"

[Ravager]

Wasn't Teal a "Server for the casuals?"

Yup. There'd be a lot less RnF if they kept it open.

[Grumph]

Yup. There'd be a lot less RnF if they kept it open.

May have happened if the combined pops of Green and Teal stayed and grew high enough...

Could've even forced them to consider a Fuscia server if enough people voted with their feet.

Really all yall needed to do was shame Blue players as effectivley as you've shamed Red players, force them to to swap over full time to Teal and/or Green. And also have everyone recruit at least one RL friend to start playing.

Was always just that simple.

[Twochain]

im upset

imagine having a forum signature where you complain about what's "Classic" while most of those things have been this way for 13 years of Project 1999, an emulated server for a game that is old enough to rent a car.

And then having the audacity to pose a question if the other people on this nerd forum has touched grass. Mother fucker, have YOU touched grass?

[unsunghero]

..

[Tunabros]

This post reeks of P99 brain rot. If you're told a lie often enough you'll believe anything I guess. Everquest raiding wasn't designed to be competitive. You're literally an insane person if you actually believe that. Not having the technology to implement instances in 1999 is NOT the same thing as saying "We intend for mentally ill neckbeards to stare at their monitor for 16 hours waiting for a pixel giant to spawn so they can run their pre-practiced race path to FTE it before anyone else every week"

You're aware many live servers had GM enforced raid rotations in classic right? They implemented instances literally as quickly as was technologically feasible for them to do so because it was pretty much immediately obvious how toxic and bad open world "competition" for raid targets was.

That said I'm not condoning rotations on P99. They wouldn't be a great solution here for reasons already well known and stated. The aforementioned mentally ill neckbeards would make splinter alt guilds to clog up rotation and it would be a mess. Only way it would work is if you set a hard limit on number of guilds that could be in rotation and force everyone to join one of x number of guilds that have a rotation slot if they want to raid. As awful as that sounds it'd honestly be better than the bullshit that goes on currently but that's besides the point.


Lol @ actually thinking EQ devs built the game for competitive PvE raiding. I'm still chucklin over here. Thanks for that.

no one is forcing you to play on p99

[Videri]

Wasn't Teal a "Server for the casuals?"

Not officially, but some players declared it such.

[k9quaint]

Dopers gonna dope.
Just rename them to <Vanquish Olympic Committee> and case closed.

[karadin]

Everquest raiding wasn't designed to be competitive. You're literally an insane person if you actually believe that

I'm not sure any of us are really in a position to say that. We can look at the original white papers and draw our own conclusions, but irrespective of "what it was designed to be," you can look at all of the mechanics and come to only one conclusion: irrespective of intent, people were always going to compete for the scarce resources in this game from day one.

[karadin]

I would like a full inquiry opened up on Furoars. Let me submit Exhibit A:

https://i.ibb.co/G7YKNTS/image.png

[karadin]

https://i.imgur.com/ZJ1GGGa.png

[mycoolrausch]

Competition in live meant the hardcore players were ahead of the level/gear/content curve, not competing for the same targets with equal forces. I think this server's bizzaro esport everquest is fine for an obscure emulated ruleset. But deleting 10% of the velious content (warders) was obviously a detriment to that. But quakes and the draft are nice.

[Croco]

I would like a full inquiry opened up on Furoars. Let me submit Exhibit A:

https://i.ibb.co/G7YKNTS/image.png

You mean the guy that was banned from wow for scripting? Yeah. Me too.

[tankh]

How is Furoar still allowed to play here ?

O yeah I remember now $$$$$

[PlsNoBan]

imagine having a forum signature where you complain about what's "Classic" while most of those things have been this way for 13 years of Project 1999, an emulated server for a game that is old enough to rent a car.

And then having the audacity to pose a question if the other people on this nerd forum has touched grass. Mother fucker, have YOU touched grass?

"Things have been toxic and bad for a VERY LONG TIME so we shouldn't do anything to try to fix it" - You

I touched grass today (technically snow unfortunately). I check this forum maybe 10 minutes out of my day. I was entirely absent from this forum for years prior to a few weeks ago. You've probably spent more time engaging in the mental illness olympics of this servers endgame this week than I've spent time thinking about this server in the past year. Not that any of this is relevant really but you brought it up so there ya go.


no one is forcing you to play on p99

I don't play p99 currently. Largely because of exactly the kind of shit that spawned this monstrosity of a thread. That and having my main account perma banned for questionable reasons but that's besides the point. I have another account I could play but the amount of toxicity and stupidity that continues to dominate the endgame here isn't something I can justify dealing with at this point in my life. I wish it was different so I could jump back in. For some reason there's a group of folks that continue to defend this dumpster fire of a endgame system and the folks in charge either don't seem to care or for some reason enjoy things the way that they are. Historically they've hidden behind "Shits classic yo" excuses when they make unpopular decisions or changes. In this case they purposefully make blatantly not classic changes to allow a disgustingly toxic endgame to continue. Very puzzling to me and it should be to everyone.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

If you don't play, how do you know P99 is toxic? The forums are honestly much different from playing in game.

[Tunabros]

I don't play p99 currently. Largely because of exactly the kind of shit that spawned this monstrosity of a thread. That and having my main account perma banned for questionable reasons but that's besides the point. I have another account I could play but the amount of toxicity and stupidity that continues to dominate the endgame here isn't something I can justify dealing with at this point in my life. I wish it was different so I could jump back in. For some reason there's a group of folks that continue to defend this dumpster fire of a endgame system and the folks in charge either don't seem to care or for some reason enjoy things the way that they are. Historically they've hidden behind "Shits classic yo" excuses when they make unpopular decisions or changes. In this case they purposefully make blatantly not classic changes to allow a disgustingly toxic endgame to continue. Very puzzling to me and it should be to everyone.

yup nice going

you just discredited yourself

also saying that classic eq is not competitive is halarious. everything literally

spawns in real time, forcing players to fight over scarce amount of mobs

and the only way to get perma banned on p99 is if you are toxic as shit, you box, or

RMT

so im gonna take everything you say for a grain of salt

[Croco]

yup nice going

you just discredited yourself

also saying that classic eq is not competitive is halarious. everything literally

spawns in real time, forcing players to fight over scarce amount of mobs

and the only way to get perma banned on p99 is if you are toxic as shit, you box, or

RMT

so im gonna take everything you say for a grain of salt

Classic EQ wasn't competitive. Hope this helps.

90%+ servers had a single guild at the top gobbling up all the raid content they wanted and everything they didn't want went to random guilds who just happened to find mobs up. No one tracked things, very few guilds or people had timers going for raid mobs. There was no fighting over mobs.

[Toxigen]

"Things have been toxic and bad for a VERY LONG TIME so we shouldn't do anything to try to fix it" - You

...........................

That and having my main account perma banned for questionable reasons but that's besides the point.

rofl you cant make this shit up

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Classic EQ wasn't competitive. Hope this helps.

90%+ servers had a single guild at the top gobbling up all the raid content they wanted and everything they didn't want went to random guilds who just happened to find mobs up. No one tracked things, very few guilds or people had timers going for raid mobs. There was no fighting over mobs.

That doesn't mean EQ isn't designed to be competitive. The only reason why this was the case was because of lack of knowledge and the speed at which expansions came out.

[PlsNoBan]

If you don't play, how do you know P99 is toxic? The forums are honestly much different from playing in game.

I played P99 extensively for years. I have friends that have played past and present. I'm well aware of how things have been over the years and the forums are enough of an indicator to me that nothing has changed since I last played. It's a nice thought that the forums aren't indicative of the state of the game but historically that just isn't true and I have no reason to believe that's changed.


yup nice going

you just discredited yourself

also saying that classic eq is not competitive is halarious. everything literally

spawns in real time, forcing players to fight over scarce amount of mobs

and the only way to get perma banned on p99 is if you are toxic as shit, you box, or

RMT

so im gonna take everything you say for a grain of salt


As others have said there was very little fighting or competition over raid mobs on a lot of servers back in the day. Many servers had GM enforced raid rotations directly going against the idea of competing as you claim was the intent. Instances were implemented as a direct result of the fighting/competition over mobs starting to get out of control on some servers because..... wait for it... they didn't want pve raiding to be competitive! It's very fucking clearly not intended. You have to do some serious mental gymnastics to argue otherwise. Everything spawns in real time because the game came out in fucking 1999 before instance/phasing technology existed. It was literally the only way they knew how to do things. You're literally arguing that FTE race style competition was intended because they made the game the only way they knew how to do so at the time. That's some hilarious shit :P

P.S. I wasn't banned for any of the reasons you stated. Good guesses tho!

[PlsNoBan]

rofl you cant make this shit up

Yea there's never been any questionable decisions or actions made by a member of P99 staff before. You're right I must be a crazy toxic lunatic :rolleyes:

[Ooloo]

If you haven't yet figured out that the distinction of whether something is "classic" or not here means nothing, and you shouldn't expect it to, I dunno what to tell you.

The admins responding emergently to emergent behavior among the playerbase *IS* classic everquest.

[zati]

I played P99 extensively for years. I have friends that have played past and present. I'm well aware of how things have been over the years and the forums are enough of an indicator to me that nothing has changed since I last played. It's a nice thought that the forums aren't indicative of the state of the game but historically that just isn't true and I have no reason to believe that's changed.





As others have said there was very little fighting or competition over raid mobs on a lot of servers back in the day. Many servers had GM enforced raid rotations directly going against the idea of competing as you claim was the intent. Instances were implemented as a direct result of the fighting/competition over mobs starting to get out of control on some servers because..... wait for it... they didn't want pve raiding to be competitive! It's very fucking clearly not intended. You have to do some serious mental gymnastics to argue otherwise. Everything spawns in real time because the game came out in fucking 1999 before instance/phasing technology existed. It was literally the only way they knew how to do things. You're literally arguing that FTE race style competition was intended because they made the game the only way they knew how to do so at the time. That's some hilarious shit :P

P.S. I wasn't banned for any of the reasons you stated. Good guesses tho!

You know yer talking to brick walls and trolls at this point now, right? I kinda concluded(Personally) that the top 1-5% raiders "need" this server the way it is to continue having a reason so why not let them(it's a community-based server afterall) you never know what struggles they have. My only reason for posting was to take wall-staring out of the equation entirely cause it directly affects the persons health behind the screen unbeknownst to other members and the 'possibility of cheating' (Not saying OP is correct) enable other players to try to one-up said person. Also saying P99 is an E-sport needs to stop. This isn't Starcraft or some blizzard ranked game with a ladder system. Anyways eff this thread it should be locked! It was entertaining to me 50 pages of pure garbage.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You know yer talking to brick walls and trolls at this point now, right? I kinda concluded(Personally) that the top 1-5% raiders "need" this server the way it is to continue having a reason so why not let them(it's a community-based server afterall) you never know what struggles they have. My only reason for posting was to take wall-staring out of the equation entirely cause it directly affects the persons health behind the screen unbeknownst to other members and the 'possibility of cheating' (Not saying OP is correct) enable other players to try to one-up said person. Also saying P99 is an E-sport needs to stop. This isn't Starcraft or some blizzard ranked game with a ladder system. Anyways eff this thread it should be locked! It was entertaining to me 50 pages of pure garbage.

Claiming people are brick walls or trolls for disagreeing with you is silly. If the majority of the server agreed with you, they would have changed the rules, or the population would have tanked by now.

The continued healthy population of the server disproves any notion that the majority prefer something like rotations or instancing. Remember, TLP has been around for years, so people would have completely abandoned P99 years ago if they really wanted instancing/rotations.

Also, assuming a non-instanced MMO isn't competitive is equally silly. When scarcity exists, competition arises. If you don't want competition, play a game with instancing.

[zati]

Claiming people are brick walls or trolls for disagreeing with you is silly. If the majority of the server agreed with you, they would have changed the rules, or the population would have tanked by now.

The continued healthy population of the server disproves any notion that the majority prefer something like rotations or instancing. Remember, TLP has been around for years, so people would have completely abandoned P99 years ago if they really wanted instancing/rotations.

Also, assuming a non-instanced MMO isn't competitive is equally silly. When scarcity exists, competition arises. If you don't want competition, play a game with instancing.

EQ isn't an E-sport.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

EQ isn't an E-sport.

I never said it was, and neither is anyone else here in the thread besides you. Competition != to an ESport.

[Ooloo]

My only reason for posting was to take wall-staring out of the equation entirely cause it directly affects the persons health behind the screen

This is really not a great argument either. Sitting on your ass doing anything directly affects your health negatively. It's not like being addicted to the wall-staring model of EQ is any more or less healthy than being addicted to the modern WOW clickfest version of it.

You should really leave the health question out of any future attempts to persuade people about how the server is run cause it makes no sense.

[zati]

This is really not a great argument either. Sitting on your ass doing anything directly affects your health negatively. It's not like being addicted to the wall-staring model of EQ is any more or less healthy than being addicted to the modern WOW clickfest version of it.

You should really leave the health question out of any future attempts to persuade people about how the server is run cause it makes no sense.

^ Doesn't race or participate in the wannabe E-sport raid scene. Join date 2021, 1,824 posts. Headshot. BOOM!

[Ooloo]

^ Doesn't race or participate in the wannabe E-sport raid scene. Join date 2021, 1,824 posts. Headshot. BOOM!

Are you okay? I don't know what that means.

Instancing is very addictive for some people. It's very unhealthy. Why are advocating for making some people more addicted to p99, huh??

[DeathsSilkyMist]

^ Doesn't race or participate in the wannabe E-sport raid scene. Join date 2021, 1,824 posts. Headshot. BOOM!

Again, nobody is claiming it is an ESport. The vast majority of multiplayer games in existence are NOT Esports. Does that mean they are not competitive? Of course not. You can have a competitive game that is also not an Esport.

[PlsNoBan]

If the majority of the server agreed with you, they would have changed the rules, or the population would have tanked by now

LOL this is the funniest post of this thread so far congrats

What the majority wants means nothing to those in charge. They have their goals and agendas that we can argue over but rest assured they will pursue whatever it is that their vision/goal is regardless of what any of us want. If I've learned anything playing/spectating this server for 10+ years that's it. Also all jokes aside there's a large amount of people with addiction and mental health issues on this server. Like not even saying that as an insult/troll I legitimately believe that to be the case. They won't quit under almost any circumstance.

[Samoht]

I touched grass today (technically snow unfortunately). I check this forum maybe 10 minutes out of my day.

With the rate at which you're F5ing this thread, I'm gonna have to call bullshit on this one.

You seem super obsessed for someone who doesn't even play here any more.

You should probably seek help.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

LOL this is the funniest post of this thread so far congrats

What the majority wants means nothing to those in charge. They have their goals and agendas that we can argue over but rest assured they will pursue whatever it is that their vision/goal is regardless of what any of us want. If I've learned anything playing/spectating this server for 10+ years that's it. Also all jokes aside there's a large amount of people with addiction and mental health issues on this server. Like not even saying that as an insult/troll I legitimately believe that to be the case. They won't quit under almost any circumstance.

Last time I checked the majority of the player base are not being forced to play against their will.

If people really didn't like what the Dev's were doing, they would just stop playing. People vote with their feet unless they are being held at gunpoint. Also, the Dev's have listened to the community in the past. But that doesn't mean they have to acquiesce to all of your demands lol.

[PlsNoBan]

Last time I checked the majority of the player base are not being forced to play against their will.

If people really didn't like what the Dev's were doing, they would just stop playing. People vote with their feet unless they are being held at gunpoint.

You don't understand the level of addiction and mental problems going on here if you truly believe this. I know people that played for YEARS and hated every aspect of the endgame here. They just kept clinging on to hope that EVENTUALLY "something's gotta give" and the amount of toxicity and stupidity surrounding the endgame would force the staff to make changes that ultimately never happened. Have you not been around very long? Do you not remember like years and years of threads and meetings between guild councils and staff to try to get changes made that all basically accomplished nothing? Do you think all those people all those years were perfectly happy with everything and would just quit if they weren't? Rofl cmon bro. Do you not remember Chest throwing in the towel on P99 endgame and taking like 100 people with him to Phinigel?

[PlsNoBan]

With the rate at which you're F5ing this thread, I'm gonna have to call bullshit on this one.

You seem super obsessed for someone who doesn't even play here any more.

You should probably seek help.

It's my day off and Lost Ark unfortunately is experiencing typical MMORPG launch day issues and servers have been down all day. Extra bored with nothing on the agenda today. You're welcome <3

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You don't understand the level of addiction and mental problems going on here if you truly believe this. I know people that played for YEARS and hated every aspect of the endgame here. They just kept clinging on to hope that EVENTUALLY "something's gotta give" and the amount of toxicity and stupidity surrounding the endgame would force the staff to make changes that ultimately never happened. Have you not been around very long? Do you not remember like years and years of threads and meetings between guild councils and staff to try to get changes made that all basically accomplished nothing? Do you think all those people all those years were perfectly happy with everything and would just quit if they weren't? Rofl cmon bro. Do you not remember Chest throwing in the towel on P99 endgame and taking like 100 people with him to Phinigel?

I have been around since 2014 or so. The population has steadily gone up, and remained where it is now for a few years. Obviously those people you are talking about like the game, or they would quit. And the majority of casual players are not like this. So I am not sure what you are trying to drive at here.

[Ooloo]

You don't understand the level of addiction and mental problems going on here if you truly believe this. I know people that played for YEARS and hated every aspect of the endgame here. They just kept clinging on to hope that EVENTUALLY "something's gotta give" and the amount of toxicity and stupidity surrounding the endgame would force the staff to make changes that ultimately never happened. Have you not been around very long? Do you not remember like years and years of threads and meetings between guild councils and staff to try to get changes made that all basically accomplished nothing? Do you think all those people all those years were perfectly happy with everything and would just quit if they weren't? Rofl cmon bro. Do you not remember Chest throwing in the towel on P99 endgame and taking like 100 people with him to Phinigel?

I suspect that you didn't get something you want in everquest.

Also the word "toxicity" and "toxic" are useless. It just means "a thing I don't like". Nobody cares if you call something toxic, you have to enunciate what you actually mean and specifically who or what you're talking about.

I've literally been playing here since 2010, not that it matters. But it's not anything new, it's everquest politics on a non-instanced server. You might say it all feels quite classic.

[Toxigen]

stunningly loggin into the test server like

JUVkVB3SUf4

hes simply faster because practice makes perfect

obligatory sorry you dont got hope this helps

[Flopmoore]

Bumping post! Stunningly best p99 racer ever! Everyone else get to the test servers and practice!

[Vianna]

I tried the Human Benchmark thing and got a low of 133 and a high of 233 I was usually around the 170s. Read the information about it. If you have an average monitor it can add 50ms...I have a great monitor. I imagine most the people using that site has average monitors. The median is probably way lower in reality. You are playing a game. Most gamers get monitors that enhance their experience. It is probably why you see them having this supposed gain over that random test of gamers and non-gamers.

[Jimjam]

I have been around since 2014 or so. The population has steadily gone up, and remained where it is now for a few years. Obviously those people you are talking about like the game, or they would quit. And the majority of casual players are not like this. So I am not sure what you are trying to drive at here.

There has been a big drop in the aussie night time / euro day time a few years ago and it never picked back up, not really even during locks (which is the time it would have happened if ever). American evening times seem busier than ever.

[SantagarBrax]

Classic EQ wasn't competitive. Hope this helps.

90%+ servers had a single guild at the top gobbling up all the raid content they wanted and everything they didn't want went to random guilds who just happened to find mobs up. No one tracked things, very few guilds or people had timers going for raid mobs. There was no fighting over mobs.

I think you folks keep trying to make a distinction between the raid scene and everything else. They are one and the same. Some of you "non-raiders" are the most ruthless people on the server when it comes to camps. No one ever mentions that aspect, do they? No, it's the "raiders". I digress.

Finite world, finite camps, respawn timers (why have if not competitive?), variable respawn timers on many various mobs, quests, epic quests, quests that no longer work due to removal, items that no longer drop, differing drop rates on different loot on different loot tables, failure rates in trade skills, RNG checks and variation on literally everything, ec market, for years on Live and now in a time locked server representing that main soul of the game, etc...

One can go on and on without even touching the raid scene in this explanation, yet I believe the point has been overwhelmingly made.

[SantagarBrax]

Some need to understand that anything that lessens interaction in an MMO is a terrible thing and there are butterfly effects from more interaction, mostly positive. Instancing, in general, helped to take the genre into the wrong direction and ultimately limits it by placing a ceiling on any of these unforeseen consequences of interaction. You're artificially preventing the fun and possibility of unknown interactions from occurring.

Here's an idea to repopulate Red btw: allow all players on Green and Blue to duplicate one character per account over to Red, an instant character copy minus banks and plat.

Instant server population acquired. Even time limit it for a "testing" phase if you want, maybe a month or whatever. Make an event out of it? /shrug

[Jimjam]

Good insight in above post.

I was doing a corpse recovery yesterday after unfortunately passing through the digestive tracts of an elder snow griffon.

I got the corpse to a zoneline, and along ran a monk, chased by a couple of giants.

If I wasn’t there he’d have just zoned them. Instead i shot him an invite, we beat down one, zoned the other and had a chat. I made a new acquaintance from a situation which might never have occurred if EW opened instances for ring stuff.

[Toryas]

Here's an idea to repopulate Red btw: allow all players on Green and Blue to duplicate one character per account over to Red, an instant character copy minus banks and plat.

Instant server population acquired. Even time limit it for a "testing" phase if you want, maybe a month or whatever. Make an event out of it? /shrug

I'd do this at the drop of a hat. Hell, make a PvP Purple server that's to test this theory. If nothing else it'd be amazing fun for a few weeks.

[Valakut]

tl;dr a bunch of unemployed people who abuse alcohol and drugs have slow reaction times

[PlsNoBan]

Finite world, finite camps, respawn timers (why have if not competitive?)

Because it was literally the only option available with the technology and knowledge available in 1999 perhaps? :rolleyes:

Classic EQ got some things right and it's still near and dear to my heart in a lot of ways. At the end of the day though it's still technically a failed mutation in a long evolutionary history of MMO's and video games in general. It's extremely foolish to imply that because of spawn times and no instances that must mean Brad sat in his chair thinking to himself "Man I really hope people line up at the snow line in Kael and stare at a screenshare/bind sight for 16 hours to run a preplanned footrace they've practiced hundreds of times for a chance to kill a giant with a guild of 70 people that drops 2 items". No chance things just worked out that way coincidentally and it had some negative side effects they didn't anticipate? That they fairly quickly started addressing via GM rotations on many servers and eventually instances?

There's a reason there has been ZERO other games that do this and I hate to break it to you.... It's not because EQ did it right and everybody else is wrong for 23 years.

[Croco]

Good insight in above post.

I was doing a corpse recovery yesterday after unfortunately passing through the digestive tracts of an elder snow griffon.

I got the corpse to a zoneline, and along ran a monk, chased by a couple of giants.

If I wasn’t there he’d have just zoned them. Instead i shot him an invite, we beat down one, zoned the other and had a chat. I made a new acquaintance from a situation which might never have occurred if EW opened instances for ring stuff.

Wot? No one has ever suggested regular random zones get instances. For quests or xp or anything else. We're specifically talking about raid instances. You would've still has your interaction if there were raid instances on p99.

[Ooloo]

Because it was literally the only option available with the technology and knowledge available in 1999 perhaps? :rolleyes:

Classic EQ got some things right and it's still near and dear to my heart in a lot of ways. At the end of the day though it's still technically a failed mutation in a long evolutionary history of MMO's and video games in general. It's extremely foolish to imply that because of spawn times and no instances that must mean Brad sat in his chair thinking to himself "Man I really hope people line up at the snow line in Kael and stare at a screenshare/bind sight for 16 hours to run a preplanned footrace they've practiced hundreds of times for a chance to kill a giant with a guild of 70 people that drops 2 items". No chance things just worked out that way coincidentally and it had some negative side effects they didn't anticipate? That they fairly quickly started addressing via GM rotations on many servers and eventually instances?

There's a reason there has been ZERO other games that do this and I hate to break it to you.... It's not because EQ did it right and everybody else is wrong for 23 years.

I'm not sure how you're defining a game doing something right or wrong though outside of just sub numbers I guess? So whatever a game does, if it has high subs it's doing it right? I guess in a sense it is.

EQ2 quickly became a WoW clone though and never even came close to the popularity of WoW itself. The warcraft franchise and blizzard as a developer already had a TON of name recognition and credibility. WoW blew EQ away in terms of sub numbers more because of the lore that people were invested in already, rather than some brilliant new game mechanic. EQ2 should have also blown EQ1 numbers away if that were the case, since it was very much like WoW, but it didn't at all.

[Arvan]

Wow had better sub numbers because it had the same exact dopamine addiction loop that EQ has but they just dumbed down the mechanics so little kids and middle aged+ people could pick it up and easily progress.

[Ravager]

Wow had better sub numbers because it had the same exact dopamine addiction loop that EQ has but they just dumbed down the mechanics so little kids and middle aged+ people could pick it up and easily progress.

Not to mention better production value, colorful and appealing artistic aesthetic, excellent musical score, more capital, more production resources, better advertisement, engaging gameplay and it doesn't kill you and make you go on a corpse run in the first 5 minutes of playing. What else did I miss?

[Praxcthius]

Wow catered to no skill, quick/insta gratification. eq2 graphics > wow graphics. same game though. just different names and advertising schemes.

[Ravager]

Wow catered to no skill, quick/insta gratification. eq2 graphics > wow graphics. same game though. just different names and advertising schemes.

There's no skill in EQ either. #/autoattack

[Praxcthius]

Clearly you've never grouped with a shitty or newb tank.

[myrddraal]

Wow had better sub numbers because it had the same exact dopamine addiction loop that EQ has but they just dumbed down the mechanics so little kids and middle aged+ people could pick it up and easily progress.

WoW -retained- better sub numbers because people paying for the game wanted to experience the content at their own pace, which instancing most / all raid content allowed and why EQ moved toward that as time passed.

[SantagarBrax]

Because it was literally the only option available with the technology and knowledge available in 1999 perhaps? :rolleyes:

Classic EQ got some things right and it's still near and dear to my heart in a lot of ways. At the end of the day though it's still technically a failed mutation in a long evolutionary history of MMO's and video games in general. It's extremely foolish to imply that because of spawn times and no instances that must mean Brad sat in his chair thinking to himself "Man I really hope people line up at the snow line in Kael and stare at a screenshare/bind sight for 16 hours to run a preplanned footrace they've practiced hundreds of times for a chance to kill a giant with a guild of 70 people that drops 2 items". No chance things just worked out that way coincidentally and it had some negative side effects they didn't anticipate? That they fairly quickly started addressing via GM rotations on many servers and eventually instances?

There's a reason there has been ZERO other games that do this and I hate to break it to you.... It's not because EQ did it right and everybody else is wrong for 23 years.

My explanation was to define that "everything in Classic Everquest is competitive, by design" and not once did I mention anything about the raid scene, yet there is a correlation that can't be disproven.

You're attempting to attribute what the p99 staff did here in the raid scene in an attempt to counter the competitive nature of the game and it's natural evolution during a time locked server. Of course, staff had to make changes to address the unforeseen consequences of said natural evolution during a time locked server.

One may not agree with everything and that's completely fine, yet I believe the staff have sincerely given some consideration to the matter in an effort to make it as fair as possible, within the constraints of the game. Is everything perfect? Of course not. The server is always evolving and so are the staff in regards to it.

You point to the fact that Live went the way of instancing and GM rotations, yet you fail to address that this is logical fallacy by taking the position of limiting interactions within a true MMO. It's counter-intuitive. This is a decision that should never have been made and the results were clearly evident. There was a smaller moment when luclin came out where questions began to arise as to the direction of the game with port scions limiting interactions and other minor issues, yet the main downfall of the game came post PoP when instancing became the normal and players and other guilds stopped interacting with each other completely. This decision, while made in an attempt to benefit "the health of the server", in fact did the exact opposite and killed their own game to the point it no longer became the King nor relevant.

[unsunghero]

I’m a huge WoW fanboy yet I still prefer EQ 1 realistic graphics to WoW’s cartoony oversized shoulder pads

WoW’s pvp was light years ahead of EQ’s though…

[SantagarBrax]

WoW -retained- better sub numbers because people paying for the game wanted to experience the content at their own pace, which instancing most / all raid content allowed and why EQ moved toward that as time passed.

I don't believe this was the main reason EQ moved towards instancing. I didn't play wow so I can't speak to that experience, personally.

All I can point to is my personal experiences, as well as players from the time, and the many incorrect decisions Smedley and company made that removed them from the discussion altogether. A lot of players were complaining, just like here in p99, about "toxic! raiders! We don't want competition!".

Sometimes, you have to tell your children no. EQ should have told those players asking for instancing and rotations "No" because that decision and the Atari mindset of "quantity over quality" were the two main reasons Live died. The divergence of the playstyles, casual with friends vs. end game raiding, was natural yet it wasn't necessary to choose one over the other. EQ should have kept both the way it was and is here on p99. This is what made the best Everquest and MMO ever.

Players that enjoy the game on instanced and rotated servers aren't experiencing the most that a true MMO has to offer, just a shadow copy of the real thing, and that's a shame.

[Croco]

I don't believe this was the main reason EQ moved towards instancing. I didn't play wow so I can't speak to that experience, personally.

All I can point to is my personal experiences, as well as players from the time, and the many incorrect decisions Smedley and company made that removed them from the discussion altogether. A lot of players were complaining, just like here in p99, about "toxic! raiders! We don't want competition!".

Sometimes, you have to tell your children no. EQ should have told those players asking for instancing and rotations "No" because that decision and the Atari mindset of "quantity over quality" were the two main reasons Live died. The divergence of the playstyles, casual with friends vs. end game raiding, was natural yet it wasn't necessary to choose one over the other. EQ should have kept both the way it was and is here on p99. This is what made the best Everquest and MMO ever.

Players that enjoy the game on instanced and rotated servers aren't experiencing the most that a true MMO has to offer, just a shadow copy of the real thing, and that's a shame.

How I like to experience the game is strictly better even though I haven't played the other game. Even though my game is historically less popular and basically died because the other game was a massive success I'm right guys. Trust me.

[myrddraal]

I don't believe this was the main reason EQ moved towards instancing. I didn't play wow so I can't speak to that experience, personally.

All I can point to is my personal experiences, as well as players from the time, and the many incorrect decisions Smedley and company made that removed them from the discussion altogether. A lot of players were complaining, just like here in p99, about "toxic! raiders! We don't want competition!".

Sometimes, you have to tell your children no. EQ should have told those players asking for instancing and rotations "No" because that decision and the Atari mindset of "quantity over quality" were the two main reasons Live died. The divergence of the playstyles, casual with friends vs. end game raiding, was natural yet it wasn't necessary to choose one over the other. EQ should have kept both the way it was and is here on p99. This is what made the best Everquest and MMO ever.

Players that enjoy the game on instanced and rotated servers aren't experiencing the most that a true MMO has to offer, just a shadow copy of the real thing, and that's a shame.

Bruh why do you think shadowbane died? You can only have so many "wolves" before all the sheep leave the server and they cannibalize themselves. Its 100% why they made instances. Another reason live died was people wanted newer graphics, younger generations anyway. Super simple mechanics, bad graphics, endless grind, most people werent down for that.

[PlsNoBan]

This is a decision that should never have been made and the results were clearly evident. There was a smaller moment when luclin came out where questions began to arise as to the direction of the game with port scions limiting interactions and other minor issues, yet the main downfall of the game came post PoP when instancing became the normal and players and other guilds stopped interacting with each other completely. This decision, while made in an attempt to benefit "the health of the server", in fact did the exact opposite and killed their own game to the point it no longer became the King nor relevant.

You do understand that to this day live EQ still gets expansions and still has a MUCH larger playerbase than P99 does right? You realize that EQ got knocked out of the top spot by another MMO that uses (very heavily) the same systems you claim were the downfall of EQ? I really worry about the mental state of some of you guys at times. Some of yall seriously walk around thinking because there's a 800 player emu server with old busted mechanics that means somehow it's the best way to do things and everything else sucks or "caters to noobs" or some other dumb excuse.

A VERY small niche minority crowd of people enjoys "competitive" PvE Everquest. If a MMO launched today with 10x the playerbase of P99 it would end up being shut down and written off as a failure. There's a gigantic deck of facts stacked against you if you try to claim otherwise. We can argue back and forth all you want but the numbers and facts and history don't lie.

[Rager and Quitter]

I think many of you are forgetting that P99 is all that some of these hard-core raiders have. Their social interactions and what little fulfillment they experience in life is solely contained in P99, and when they get that exclusive loot, by competing to keep others away, it helps them feel elite, like they're better than others because the moment they step away from the computer, the reality of their hollow lives cuts deep. They wouldn't ever give that up because they have nothing else.

[Slippy]

Sometimes, you have to tell your children no. EQ should have told those players asking for instancing and rotations "No" because that decision and the Atari mindset of "quantity over quality" were the two main reasons Live died. The divergence of the playstyles, casual with friends vs. end game raiding, was natural yet it wasn't necessary to choose one over the other. EQ should have kept both the way it was and is here on p99. This is what made the best Everquest and MMO ever.


Players never really "asked" for instancing - it was introduced in the LDoN expansion as a test to see if EQ Live could move to that system as a fix for the open world problems.

EQ live had many issues, but after Planes of Powers, they had 3 expansions that were considered failures. LoY, LDoN, and Gates of Discord. GoD was a mess and by the time OoW came out to try and fix the issues from GoD, players had enough - Live lost a massive chunk of their player base (server mergers) and most never came back. WoW had a big following from their previous games, much easier to level and gear... overall it appealed to the masses.

[Ravager]

I think many of you are forgetting that P99 is all that some of these hard-core raiders have. Their social interactions and what little fulfillment they experience in life is solely contained in P99, and when they get that exclusive loot, by competing to keep others away, it helps them feel elite, like they're better than others because the moment they step away from the computer, the reality of their hollow lives cuts deep. They wouldn't ever give that up because they have nothing else.

And what else is there?

[Tunabros]

P.S. I wasn't banned for any of the reasons you stated. Good guesses tho!

yikes

[Jimjam]

Players never really "asked" for instancing - it was introduced in the LDoN expansion as a test to see if EQ Live could move to that system as a fix for the open world problems.

EQ live had many issues, but after Planes of Powers, they had 3 expansions that were considered failures. LoY, LDoN, and Gates of Discord. GoD was a mess and by the time OoW came out to try and fix the issues from GoD, players had enough - Live lost a massive chunk of their player base (server mergers) and most never came back. WoW had a big following from their previous games, much easier to level and gear... overall it appealed to the masses.

LoY, Ldon were the best! GoD was alright going back to it after oow, but it had a terrible colour palette and muddy details. I preferred the strong contrasting colours and clear boundaries in details of earlier eq.

I think they added instancing for Plane of Time too.

I don’t mind too much the raid system in p1999 - it is pretty cool to get an email inviting you to kill a boss at that moment. Someone said people that won’t try non-instance are missing out, but many of these players don’t play the game as a sport but as a narrative and they want to be able to play the story of going to the dragons lair with no one but their choice friend and saving the world from this terror.

[Slippy]

LoY, Ldon were the best! GoD was alright going back to it after oow, but it had a terrible colour palette and muddy details. I preferred the strong contrasting colours and clear boundaries in details of earlier eq.

I think they added instancing for Plane of Time too.

I don’t mind too much the raid system in p1999 - it is pretty cool to get an email inviting you to kill a boss at that moment. Someone said people that won’t try non-instance are missing out, but many of these players don’t play the game as a sport but as a narrative and they want to be able to play the story of going to the dragons lair with no one but their choice friend and saving the world from this terror.

Most players overall were not happy with LoY and LDoN, although they did add some good things (armor dyes, guild manager, augments), it was the content of those 2 expansions that was lacking, and at the time we had to wait a year for a new, big expansion.

A big reason GoD failed was SOE, for whatever reason, did not add the 5 levels that the expansion was supposed to have - making the content extremely difficult. Only a small number of guilds beat GoD without the level cap, I would be surprised if more than 5 guilds beat it before OoW. There were other issues as well (graphics issues, unfinished quests and zones), and it was considered a waste of money by most of the players and pissed everyone off.

I raided heavily back then and PoTime was on a guild rotation for most servers. It wasn't until after the server mergers, which was OoW era, that SOE went back and made Time instanced. Most guilds were bottlenecked in Time and still struggled in GoD (Uqua) due to the rotations / not having quality geared raiders.

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And once instances became common on Live, high-end (at least on my server) competition switched to your gear and where you guild stood, server wide and on your individual server. It was tracked on 2 websites: EQrankings.com, which was a server wide guild tracking and rankings website, and the class rankings on Magelo.

Neither of those can apply on P99 due to the time-lock, maybe the gear ranking for a short time would have worked a few years ago, eventually BiS characters will tie one another and it will become pointless.

Different eras of the game...

[Slippy]

Only a small number of guilds beat GoD without the level cap, I would be surprised if more than 5 guilds beat it before OoW.

I meant to say Only a small number of guilds beat GoD without the level *increase*

[mycoolrausch]

People on p99 love competition so much they all join the same guild

[mattydef]

This is p99, let’s be realistic here, you don’t need video evidence to prove there’s cheating going on in the raid scene by neckbeards.

[Ooloo]

Since the olympics are currently happening I guess, p99 cheating scandals are pretty much exactly the same as athletic doping scandals. So, let's just let everyone cheat. It would be way easier on the staff, and there's still a legitimate competition over who is actually better at cheating.

[MaCtastic]

People on p99 love competition so much they all join the same guild

IKR

[Reiwa]

Since the olympics are currently happening I guess, p99 cheating scandals are pretty much exactly the same as athletic doping scandals. So, let's just let everyone cheat. It would be way easier on the staff, and there's still a legitimate competition over who is actually better at cheating.

Found the Russian bot.

[Prismaticshop]

People on p99 love competition so much they all join the same guild

One seems to get all the loot

The other ones to cry about it

So that's understandable

[Croco]

One seems to get all the loot

and still cries about it

Ftfy

[Terrok]

This is unhealthy my guy. Several people from Riot have beaten all of us that are fast off the line. The only guild that has confirmed scripters and cheaters is Riot and yes, to your point, its sad nothing was done about that.

Stunningly practices more than any of you. Stunningly is faster than majority of you (and us in Vanquish) but Stunningly doesnt cheat. Your video just pushes what you want to believe and ignore literally all the evidence that would be required to prove any sort of allegations.

I can only assume this is why it sat "on the GMs desk" for 3 months. Please seek help for you and your family's sake.

I thought Stunningly was just the better then us 24/7, but now that detoxx has endorsed him, I Know he is cheating. TAKP is better, go play there. Hope this helps.

[Terrok]

I'll fly to anyones home on P99, use your PC, I'll let anyone start the race by running forward and when I see them start running I'll chase them down and win.

Just buy my plane ticket. Or if you're in cali near SF hit me up.

A smart guild would fly him to NY next time statue or KT is in window, with 10 layovers. Hope this helps.

[Terrok]

How come you weren’t motivated to make this when you were in Riot and the cheats were securing you the mobs?

Do you even know what EQ is? when they where all in riot, before AG merged with 80% of riot. These races where not around. nor did these same people get the fte's. Only after these people perfected their cheating skills did they form this elite guild of snipers to get away from the warm bodies. Even with vq getting most of the mobs, loot to player per cycle is still better in riot. The only reason these people dont play on TAKP, which they keep saying has better rules, is because they are banned from takp for cheating. Hope this helps.

[DeliciousHalflings]

Idk what garbage, child-ridden servers you all played on retail back in the day, but racing for mobs and crying over FTE is far from classic from my experience. Seems like p99 really isn't worth getting back into solely because of the juvenile raid scene. I'd wish you luck. But honestly, people perpetuating that type of bullshit deserve to fail. Get fucked, p99.

[mycoolrausch]

One seems to get all the loot

The other ones to cry about it

So that's understandable

Well yes the FTErs and playmakers have all consolidated themselves into a single guild so they don't have to constantly fight each other for scarce resources.

If there was a rotation they would be alleviated of this burden and could go play league or whatever, and the casuals could go back to their half dozen casual guilds and get the same amount of loot as waiting in line for dkp in a giant guild. Everybody wins lol

[ArbiterBlixen]

Even with vq getting most of the mobs, loot to player per cycle is still better in riot.

What a joke haha. Math is hard.

[Samoht]

Even with vq getting most of the mobs, loot to player per cycle is still better in riot.

Aint that some delusion. This cycle, Riot got Vox (which basically dropped nothing IIRC), a bagged doze that dropped 2 useful tears, and a 2 drop Tunare. That boils down to 2 real drops and 2 quest items to split amongst all members in Riot vs the dozens of drops Vanquish procured to split among basically the same amount of members.

The people who stay in Riot right now are just the ones giving in the to sunk cost fallacy because they want to spend their DKP before they go. The same end is inevitable, though, because eventually they must leave if they want to keep raiding on P99, with or without spending their DKP.

So, no, the ratio of loot to player per cycle is not better in Riot. It's not even close. And if you expect to get any of that loot in Riot, you better have the thousands of DKP it will take to win anything against the members who are dumping and leaving.

[Ennewi]

Aint that some delusion.

an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument.

This is nothing more than a witch hunt so Riot can get more free pixels.

[Grumph]

"Loot per cycle to players with 40,000 dkp and above is way way way better in Riot than in Vanquish."

[Tunabros]

there has been so much cheating going on in the top guilds over the years on p99

doesnt take a genius to figure that out

but for this, I think Vanquish is just better at getting FTEs lol

[Ennewi]

"Loot per cycle to players with 40,000 dkp and above is way way way better in Riot than in Vanquish."

Damage per second. Socks per raid. Loot per cycle.

[Viscere]

This guy is p bad at maths lol

VQ gets 4/5 of all loot

riot get 1/5

Riot shows up with 50 people at raids, sometimes more

VQ shows up with 100 people on average.

that's 100 people for 4/5 of the loot vs 50 people for 1/5

you really do suck at maths

seek help

[Nibblewitz]

And bag limits only apply to ToV targets, so it’s even worse.

[Gustoo]

Wow the top 1% reaction time humans on earth all found p99 and joined vanquish to race for King Tormax? That's really cool. What a weird thing to do but cool. Also i wonder what occam's razor means?

lol

[Gustoo]

Idk what garbage, child-ridden servers you all played on retail back in the day, but racing for mobs and crying over FTE is far from classic from my experience. Seems like p99 really isn't worth getting back into solely because of the juvenile raid scene. I'd wish you luck. But honestly, people perpetuating that type of bullshit deserve to fail. Get fucked, p99.

Like anyone with a brain you wait for red 2.0 since pvp solves all this dumb shit click racing

[Ooloo]

What happens on contested raids on red anyway? Or, like if they actually had a high pop, what would happen?

Like if one full raid and another full raid both show up for a spawn, is the goal to literally wipe out the entire other raid before you engage the mob, or?

I gotta say that does sound like a pretty fun cluster fuck actually.

[Tunabros]

no one cares about red

also shut up baler

[Twochain]

Like anyone with a brain you wait for red 2.0 since pvp solves all this dumb shit click racing

1 month of no PnP/Pvp enabled in ToV would literally be the most fun month of p99 i've ever had.

THAT SHIT WOULD GET OLD AFTER A WHILE, but for a month, that shit would be crazy fun.

[Grumph]

1 month of no PnP/Pvp enabled in ToV would literally be the most fun month of p99 i've ever had.

THAT SHIT WOULD GET OLD AFTER A WHILE, but for a month, that shit would be crazy fun.

Rotating metas would be peak.

Gym bros know what I mean. Conjugate training method of periodization.

Matters more that whatever kinda gear you cycle.

And the biggest secret?

GM life levels up too.

Suddenly every complaint from the unwashed masses of whining complainers can be shut right up with:
"Turns out the very things your crying about actually was just allowed 4 weeks ago (or is about to be allowed 4 weeks from now). Your Welcome."

[Ooloo]

no one cares about red

also shut up baler

I'm not baler god damnit tunabros. Cope.

[PlsNoBan]

No PNP would be super entertaining. Rules are for losers anyway. Let the beardiest neck win!

[Tunabros]

I'm not baler god damnit tunabros. Cope.

ok baler

[AtomicFrog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6axr5rU07AA

SO this video got sent to me today, noticed a very familiar red B logo on a cool tutorial vid about how to write a text logger in video games.

Oh cool, the dude is using P99 to help his tutorial.. this seems completely innocent. Unless...

https://ibb.co/GsSR08k

https://ibb.co/30K4F2V

Surely this is just a coincidence. NO way a guy posting vids about text logging in video games would ever cheat to win something coveted by others in video games.

Stunningly practices more than any of you. Stunningly is faster than majority of you (and us in Vanquish) but Stunningly doesnt cheat. Your video just pushes what you want to believe and ignore literally all the evidence that would be required to prove any sort of allegations.

- Detoxx, page 6

Yall wanted to prove that Vanquish was cheating. You made up numbers and found a website that shows some people can click on colors faster than others. You cheated yourselves to prove it was possible, but have no proof that anybody else is cheating.

- Samoht, page 22

“Outed themselves.”

Let’s see this bombshell you are sitting on.

- Wulfgar, page 22

Can't wait to see how the esteemed members of Vanquish come out to say their guildy Stunningly would NEVER stoop so low to cheat in a video game. *grabs popcorn*

[k9quaint]

Why do I hear George Takei in my head saying "Oh my!".
Probably left over from that rousing Superb Owl contest last weekend!

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6axr5rU07AA

SO this video got sent to me today, noticed a very familiar red B logo on a cool tutorial vid about how to write a text logger in video games.

Let me make popcorn... this is gonna be good lol

Oh cool, the dude is using P99 to help his tutorial.. this seems completely innocent. Unless...

https://ibb.co/GsSR08k

https://ibb.co/30K4F2V

Surely this is just a coincidence. NO way a guy posting vids about text logging in video games would ever cheat to win something coveted by others in video games.



- Detoxx, page 6



- Samoht, page 22



- Wulfgar, page 22

Can't wait to see how the esteemed members of Vanquish come out to say their guildy Stunningly would NEVER stoop so low to cheat in a video game. *grabs popcorn*

[Ringi]

Hahaha, Vanquish, you bunch of fucking losers.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Its so quiet in here now... 63 pages and then silence

[Twochain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6axr5rU07AA

SO this video got sent to me today, noticed a very familiar red B logo on a cool tutorial vid about how to write a text logger in video games.

Oh cool, the dude is using P99 to help his tutorial.. this seems completely innocent. Unless...

https://ibb.co/GsSR08k

https://ibb.co/30K4F2V

Surely this is just a coincidence. NO way a guy posting vids about text logging in video games would ever cheat to win something coveted by others in video games.



- Detoxx, page 6



- Samoht, page 22



- Wulfgar, page 22

Can't wait to see how the esteemed members of Vanquish come out to say their guildy Stunningly would NEVER stoop so low to cheat in a video game. *grabs popcorn*

Ladies and gentlemen

WE GOT EM

Proof here, we've lost every race to furoar because stunningly is a nerd who made a public youtube video of a tutorial on how to use Node.JS


Imagine if you used all this time and effort into ... oh idk a Vulak strat that didn't involve using 5000 AOE clickies? LMAO?

[Reiwa]

What's wrong with his head?

[zati]

Hah

[Caball]

Do you even know what EQ is? when they where all in riot, before AG merged with 80% of riot. These races where not around. nor did these same people get the fte's. Only after these people perfected their cheating skills did they form this elite guild of snipers to get away from the warm bodies. Even with vq getting most of the mobs, loot to player per cycle is still better in riot. The only reason these people dont play on TAKP, which they keep saying has better rules, is because they are banned from takp for cheating. Hope this helps.

So.. is Vanquish made up of an elite group of snipers that got away from the warmbodies, or are we a huge Zerg that gets less loot than Riot per member? Why are we taking in every warmbody on the server and sharing loot with them if we can just cheat and win with an elite guild of snipers?

Who got banned from TaKP for cheating? What did they do? Or did you just make that up out of nowhere also lol. Your comments are filled with holes and only serve to show how blinded with hate you are to see the success of Vanquish

[unsunghero]

What's wrong with his head?

You talkin in regards to wearing a hood indoors? I was kinda wondering that too

Assuming it’s bc of the receding hairline. Just shave it and embrace it bro

Seems like a pretty normal dude tho

[Viscere]

Sherlock quest 99 and more elf sim phd videos proving literally nothing

Imagine spending this much time and effort trying to be better in game, you'd actually start getting merbs again

[Reiwa]

You talkin in regards to wearing a hood indoors? I was kinda wondering that too

Assuming it’s bc of the receding hairline. Just shave it and embrace it bro

Seems like a pretty normal dude tho

Maybe the hoodie is just crooked but it looks misshapen. Like a jaw problem or from brain surgery.

[Viscere]

Just so you know, GMs aren't really fans of p99 members doxxing and going ad hominem about another player, which is what you are doing rn

The offending accounts will likely get banned and the content removed

[Reiwa]

Just so you know, GMs aren't really fans of p99 members doxxing and going ad hominem about another player, which is what you are doing rn

The offending accounts will likely get banned and the content removed

Oh I thought it was atomicfrog's channel, soz

[Viscere]

Talk about toxicity when you're down to doxxing

Reality check yourselves

[Croco]

Talk about toxicity when you're down to doxxing

Reality check yourselves

Imagine thinking it's doxxing when he linked his own twitch on the p99 subreddit and has a link to his youtube channel on his twitch and for both reddit and youtube he used his real fucking name like a moron. Idiot doxxed himself.

[Tunabros]

viscere should just make out with riot already ong!

[Nutsax]

Its so quiet in here now... 63 pages and then silence

[Caball]

Riot doxxing an innocent man now because they’ve taken their obsession with Vanquish cheating a few steps too far? Jesus we might need GM intervention here to stop these idiots from ruining our great community, please guys seek help..

[Profyx]

Wait until they hear how TunnelQuest came to be! Or for that matter GINA, GamParse, nParse and so forth! Data just magically appears lol

[Nytemist]

65 pages of sheeps trying to protect cheaters. Lol.

[Caball]

65 pages of sheeps trying to protect cheaters. Lol.

If by some miracle stunningly turns out not to be a cheater, it becomes 65 pages of mentally deranged neckbeards trying to bring down a good player who’s only fault was getting too good at racing 😂

[Viscere]

65 pages of tears of beaten neckbeards by a trust Elfsim hero and excellent player

[Toryas]

Stunningly’s been dumb enough to get caught. The guy is using VMs whilst running pixel detection software, auto bring window to the front scripts with the EQ client running and the lemmings are still here defending him. No doubt the band of merry men are also using the same software with some already having been suspended for cheating when they should have been banned.

The defenders/trolls are either compliant or just plain stupid, take your pick.

[Viscere]

So you're saying parsing logs like Discord bots or Gina is cheating?

Are you telling me that out of the 93 raid events Riot and Vanquish compete on, your guild is dying because somehow, someone managed to get an edge on one of these encounters?

Doesn't it have something to do with the toxicity of the guild environment you proposed your members for months ? Which has had them leave for a better one (disclaimer : our guild) for the last 6 months?

The mental gymnastic my dude, wow lol

[Toryas]

So you're saying parsing logs like Discord bots or Gina is cheating?


There’s a quote button you can hit so people can track who you’re talking to… hope that helps.

I’m going to assume you’re responding to my post, if not then you were double posting because mad. I’m also going to assume you didn’t read my post correctly, or if you did you decided to spin your own narrative.

Pixel detection software. Auto bring window to the front. I’m saying this is being used on every encounter that needs a race OR CoTH. Kael, Zlandi, ST, Dain, Yelinak, Trak, Gore, Sev, some NToV encounters. This is what Stunningly has posted videos of his capability WHILST HE HAS AN EQ CLIENT RUNNING. You can’t get more of a smoking gun without him actually admitting it.

[Viscere]

What stunningly shows is basically how to parse logs, just like discord, just like gina, he is actually coding it himself and is quite impressive

the rest is simply sad spin of butthurt members of a dying guild

ps: Caps usually indicate high sodium level, not good for your heart doe, relax

[tankh]

I’m not sure if Viscere is delusional or just plain stupid

[Nutsax]

There’s a quote button you can hit so people can track who you’re talking to… hope that helps.

I’m going to assume you’re responding to my post, if not then you were double posting because mad. I’m also going to assume you didn’t read my post correctly, or if you did you decided to spin your own narrative.

Pixel detection software. Auto bring window to the front. I’m saying this is being used on every encounter that needs a race OR CoTH. Kael, Zlandi, ST, Dain, Yelinak, Trak, Gore, Sev, some NToV encounters. This is what Stunningly has posted videos of his capability WHILST HE HAS AN EQ CLIENT RUNNING. You can’t get more of a smoking gun without him actually admitting it.

Would this perhaps explain how Vanquish won 20 CONSECUTIVE AoW races?

[Viscere]

02.09.22 Derakor the Vindicator Kill
02.09.22 Ring War Kill
02.09.22 The Final Arbiter Kill
02.09.22 Tavekalem (Optional) Kill
02.09.22 Krigara (Optional) Kill
02.09.22 Casalen (Optional) Kill
02.09.22 Essedera (Optional) Kill
02.09.22 Master of the Guard Responders
02.09.22 The Progenitor Kill
02.09.22 Venril Sathir Kill
02.09.22 Grozzmel (Optional) Kill
02.09.22 Lepethida (Optional) Kill
02.09.22 Trakanon Kill
02.09.22 Fright Kill
02.09.22 Midayor (Optional) Kill
02.09.22 Velketor the Sorcerer Kill
02.08.22 Terror Responders
02.08.22 Derakor the Vindicator Kill
02.08.22 Dread Kill
02.08.22 Derakor the Vindicator Kill
02.08.22 Derakor the Vindicator Responders
02.07.22 Derakor the Vindicator Kill
02.07.22 Derakor the Vindicator Responders
02.07.22 Derakor the Vindicator Responders
02.06.22 Derakor the Vindicator Kill
02.06.22 Lord of Ire Kill
02.06.22 Lord of Ire Kill
02.06.22 Innoruuk Kill
02.06.22 Ring War Kill
02.06.22 Nexona Kill
02.06.22 Coercer T`vala Kill
02.06.22 Master of Spite Kill
02.06.22 Maestro of Rancor Kill
02.06.22 Avatar of Abhorrence Kill
02.06.22 Ashenbone Broodmaster Kill
02.06.22 Lord of Ire Kill
02.06.22 Midayor (Optional) Kill
02.06.22 Krigara (Optional) Kill
02.06.22 Ymmeln (Optional) Kill
02.06.22 Grozzmel (Optional) Kill
02.06.22 Casalen (Optional) Kill
02.06.22 Tavekalem (Optional) Kill
02.06.22 The Final Arbiter Kill
02.06.22 Master of the Guard Kill
02.06.22 The Progenitor Kill
02.06.22 Vulak'Aerr Kill
02.06.22 Lord Kreizenn Kill
02.06.22 Lady Mirenilla Kill
02.06.22 Lord Koi'Doken Kill
02.06.22 Lady Nevederia Kill
02.06.22 Xygoz Attempt
02.06.22 Druushk Kill
02.06.22 Lord Vyemm Kill
02.06.22 Dagarn the Destroyer Kill
02.06.22 Lord Feshlak Kill
02.06.22 Lepethida (Optional) Kill
02.06.22 Essedera (Optional) Kill
02.06.22 Aaryonar Kill
02.06.22 Vaniki (Optional) Kill
02.06.22 Zlandicar Kill
02.05.22 Dread Kill
02.05.22 Dracoliche Kill
02.05.22 Cazic Thule Kill
02.05.22 Trakanon Kill
02.05.22 Eashen of the Sky Kill
02.05.22 Phara Dar Kill
02.05.22 Silverwing Kill
02.05.22 The Statue of Rallos Zek Kill
02.05.22 The Avatar of War Kill
02.05.22 Gorenaire Kill
02.05.22 Dozekar the Cursed Kill
02.05.22 King Tormax Kill
02.05.22 Venril Sathir Kill
02.05.22 Zlandicar Kill
02.05.22 Derakor the Vindicator Kill
02.05.22 Lepethida (Optional) Kill
02.05.22 Grozzmel (Optional) Kill
02.05.22 Coercer T`vala Kill
02.05.22 Lord of Loathing Kill
02.04.22 Derakor the Vindicator Kill
02.04.22 Wuoshi Kill
02.04.22 Tunare Kill
02.04.22 Guardian of Takish Kill
02.04.22 Telkorenar Kill
02.03.22 Zlexak Kill
02.03.22 Nexona Kill
02.03.22 Cekenar Kill
02.03.22 Xygoz Kill
02.03.22 Vulak'Aerr Kill
02.03.22 Lord Vyemm Kill
02.03.22 Aaryonar Kill

of the last 91 raids: 85 Kills and 6 attempts

It's not just on AoW that you guys have issues with, wonder what you're gonna put the blame on this time though

See this is why your guild died, you don't want to improve, you just seek excuses and got a bucket crab mentality

sad

[Toryas]

What stunningly shows is basically how to parse logs, just like discord, just like gina, he is actually coding it himself and is quite impressive

the rest is simply sad spin of butthurt members of a dying guild

ps: Caps usually indicate high sodium level, not good for your heart doe, relax

I’m not sure you’ve seen the video that’s being referenced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRbjQDTNIKE

[tankh]

Wow that’s impressive your girlfriend/wife must be really hot

[k9quaint]

Vanquish shared their training video on how to script race starts with one too many people and it got released to the world. Very bad look deleting it from the channel.

Now everyone knows the Mario Kart meta needs to go.
Go Superb Owl!

[Viscere]

Losing team trying to lobby 'cause mad + crushed morale

not too surprised I must say

[tankh]

02.09.22 Derakor the Vindicator Kill
02.09.22 Ring War Kill
02.09.22 The Final Arbiter Kill
02.09.22 Tavekalem (Optional) Kill
02.09.22 Krigara (Optional) Kill
02.09.22 Casalen (Optional) Kill
02.09.22 Essedera (Optional) Kill
02.09.22 Master of the Guard Responders
02.09.22 The Progenitor Kill
02.09.22 Venril Sathir Kill
02.09.22 Grozzmel (Optional) Kill
02.09.22 Lepethida (Optional) Kill
02.09.22 Trakanon Kill
02.09.22 Fright Kill
02.09.22 Midayor (Optional) Kill
02.09.22 Velketor the Sorcerer Kill
02.08.22 Terror Responders
02.08.22 Derakor the Vindicator Kill
02.08.22 Dread Kill
02.08.22 Derakor the Vindicator Kill
02.08.22 Derakor the Vindicator Responders
02.07.22 Derakor the Vindicator Kill
02.07.22 Derakor the Vindicator Responders
02.07.22 Derakor the Vindicator Responders
02.06.22 Derakor the Vindicator Kill
02.06.22 Lord of Ire Kill
02.06.22 Lord of Ire Kill
02.06.22 Innoruuk Kill
02.06.22 Ring War Kill
02.06.22 Nexona Kill
02.06.22 Coercer T`vala Kill
02.06.22 Master of Spite Kill
02.06.22 Maestro of Rancor Kill
02.06.22 Avatar of Abhorrence Kill
02.06.22 Ashenbone Broodmaster Kill
02.06.22 Lord of Ire Kill
02.06.22 Midayor (Optional) Kill
02.06.22 Krigara (Optional) Kill
02.06.22 Ymmeln (Optional) Kill
02.06.22 Grozzmel (Optional) Kill
02.06.22 Casalen (Optional) Kill
02.06.22 Tavekalem (Optional) Kill
02.06.22 The Final Arbiter Kill
02.06.22 Master of the Guard Kill
02.06.22 The Progenitor Kill
02.06.22 Vulak'Aerr Kill
02.06.22 Lord Kreizenn Kill
02.06.22 Lady Mirenilla Kill
02.06.22 Lord Koi'Doken Kill
02.06.22 Lady Nevederia Kill
02.06.22 Xygoz Attempt
02.06.22 Druushk Kill
02.06.22 Lord Vyemm Kill
02.06.22 Dagarn the Destroyer Kill
02.06.22 Lord Feshlak Kill
02.06.22 Lepethida (Optional) Kill
02.06.22 Essedera (Optional) Kill
02.06.22 Aaryonar Kill
02.06.22 Vaniki (Optional) Kill
02.06.22 Zlandicar Kill
02.05.22 Dread Kill
02.05.22 Dracoliche Kill
02.05.22 Cazic Thule Kill
02.05.22 Trakanon Kill
02.05.22 Eashen of the Sky Kill
02.05.22 Phara Dar Kill
02.05.22 Silverwing Kill
02.05.22 The Statue of Rallos Zek Kill
02.05.22 The Avatar of War Kill
02.05.22 Gorenaire Kill
02.05.22 Dozekar the Cursed Kill
02.05.22 King Tormax Kill
02.05.22 Venril Sathir Kill
02.05.22 Zlandicar Kill
02.05.22 Derakor the Vindicator Kill
02.05.22 Lepethida (Optional) Kill
02.05.22 Grozzmel (Optional) Kill
02.05.22 Coercer T`vala Kill
02.05.22 Lord of Loathing Kill
02.04.22 Derakor the Vindicator Kill
02.04.22 Wuoshi Kill
02.04.22 Tunare Kill
02.04.22 Guardian of Takish Kill
02.04.22 Telkorenar Kill
02.03.22 Zlexak Kill
02.03.22 Nexona Kill
02.03.22 Cekenar Kill
02.03.22 Xygoz Kill
02.03.22 Vulak'Aerr Kill
02.03.22 Lord Vyemm Kill
02.03.22 Aaryonar Kill

of the last 91 raids: 85 Kills and 6 attempts

It's not just on AoW that you guys have issues with, wonder what you're gonna put the blame on this time though

See this is why your guild died, you don't want to improve, you just seek excuses and got a bucket crab mentality

sad

Wow that impressive your wife/girlfriend must be so hawt!

[tankh]

200ppl can beat 50ppl on a 20 year raid mob /flex

[Viscere]

As a matter of fact, she's quite hot

hmm, latina bubble butts

sorry you're mad I get top elf pixels and bubble butt

[burkeblack]

As a matter of fact, she's quite hot

hmm, latina bubble butts

sorry you're mad I get top elf pixels and bubble butt

Confirmed virgin, big mad!

[Toxigen]

As a matter of fact, she's quite hot

hmm, latina bubble butts

sorry you're mad I get top elf pixels and bubble butt

https://i.imgur.com/SwnIMpX.jpg

[k9quaint]

Losing team trying to lobby 'cause mad + crushed morale

not too surprised I must say

Mad Stunningly was obviously scripting starts this whole time? Check.
Morale down because the meta favors people who cheat and no official response from admins can be expected? Check.
Removomg the meta that is easy to cheat at fixes the problem? Check.

The only thing you got wrong was who the losers are :D
Grats on cheating for 22 year old elf pixels!

[Samoht]

What's wrong with his head?

AIDS patient

[Nibblewitz]

all while my guild slowly dies and the offending guild continually brags about beating us week after week.

[Toryas]

I’m not sure you’ve seen the video that’s being referenced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRbjQDTNIKE

What’s up Stunningly? Smoking gun so you had it removed?

[k9quaint]

What’s up Stunningly? Smoking gun so you had it removed?

Stunningly is discovering The Streisand Effect (TM)

[Terrok]

I'll fly to anyones home on P99, use your PC, I'll let anyone start the race by running forward and when I see them start running I'll chase them down and win.

Just buy my plane ticket. Or if you're in cali near SF hit me up.

This proves nothing, no one is saying you can’t beat us, beating us doesn’t prove you are not cheating. It just proves you can beat us. It like OJ saying put a white woman in a room with me, and if I don’t kill it, than I didn’t kill my wife. Or Detox saying slap me in the face with a huge cock and if I don’t suck it, I have never sucked furors cock.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

This proves nothing, no one is saying you can’t beat us, beating us doesn’t prove you are not cheating. It just proves you can beat us. It like OJ saying put a white woman in a room with me, and if I don’t kill it, than I didn’t kill my wife. Or Detox saying slap me in the face with a huge cock and if I don’t suck it, I have never sucked furors cock.


Shot coffee out of my nose on this one.. 10/10

[Toxigen]

This proves nothing, no one is saying you can’t beat us, beating us doesn’t prove you are not cheating. It just proves you can beat us. It like OJ saying put a white woman in a room with me, and if I don’t kill it, than I didn’t kill my wife. Or Detox saying slap me in the face with a huge cock and if I don’t suck it, I have never sucked furors cock.

https://i.imgur.com/DIt5ikB.jpeg

[Porz]

Mad Stunningly was obviously scripting starts this whole time? Check.
Morale down because the meta favors people who cheat and no official response from admins can be expected? Check.
Removomg the meta that is easy to cheat at fixes the problem? Check.

The only thing you got wrong was who the losers are :D
Grats on cheating for 22 year old elf pixels!

Hard to believe that he is ONLY scripting start.

Pixel detection for pop calls

If you are capable of writing code to that point he has potential to have the full run scripted down to strafe turns.

Stunningly essentially wrote his own mq2 to bypass playnice.

Surely it will come out that this is all part of the meta and to play on, right?

Bye bye mariokart64

[Porz]

Take a second to wrap your brain around the fact he can easily use Pixel detection to auto-trigger a coth mage. We have officially reached a new level of P99 toxic raiding.

VQ Defense: You all are loosing other mobs too, our cheating does not just win us Kael, it also is destroying your guild morale.

Who needs denial for cheating /shrug

[k9quaint]

Hard to believe that he is ONLY scripting start.

Pixel detection for pop calls

If you are capable of writing code to that point he has potential to have the full run scripted down to strafe turns.

Stunningly essentially wrote his own mq2 to bypass playnice.

Surely it will come out that this is all part of the meta and to play on, right?

Bye bye mariokart64

Occam's razor says yes.

[Nibblewitz]

Just needs a few more months of work compiling evidence and a few more months of GMs dismissing it.

[Twochain]

You guys want racing to go away, so you have absolutely 0 shot to win KT/Statue ever again? You think your gonna beat Vanquish's 150 man zerg in a crawl? Get your head out of your crusty asses.

You guys are virtually convinced that this guy is cheating because of a fast jump on a race he loses all the time. I'm telling you, make the full fucking window a roll off, and just do a regular 5 4 3 2 1 GO call out. .15 ms? is the highest advantage you can get from this method.

Jesus christ

[Twochain]

Hard to believe that he is ONLY scripting start.

Pixel detection for pop calls

If you are capable of writing code to that point he has potential to have the full run scripted down to strafe turns.

Stunningly essentially wrote his own mq2 to bypass playnice.

Surely it will come out that this is all part of the meta and to play on, right?

Bye bye mariokart64

You can't script the whole race and win.

I'm so sure of this, anyone who can prove that they can script the whole race and win with it can have my accounts.

[Twochain]

Or we could use Daybreaks method of DPS for solving disputes.

[k9quaint]

Just needs a few more months of work compiling evidence and a few more months of GMs dismissing it.

The evidence was presented for the benefit of the P99 player base, so they know not to waste their time attempting to beat automation via manual means.

The GMs are not the target audience as they indicated months ago that they are mostly done intervening in Blue drama.

[Porz]

Just needs a few more months of work compiling evidence and a few more months of GMs dismissing it.

True, I mean after the smoking gun you guys have given up on denying the facts.

:eek:

[Croco]

You can't script the whole race and win.

I'm so sure of this, anyone who can prove that they can script the whole race and win with it can have my accounts.

If you don't think a whole race could be scripted you are in over your head in this conversation and should probably bow out.

[Twochain]

If you don't think a whole race could be scripted you are in over your head in this conversation and should probably bow out.

I didn't say that, I said you couldn't win with a script.

[Porz]

You guys want racing to go away, so you have absolutely 0 shot to win KT/Statue ever again? You think your gonna beat Vanquish's 150 man zerg in a crawl? Get your head out of your crusty asses.

You guys are virtually convinced that this guy is cheating because of a fast jump on a race he loses all the time. I'm telling you, make the full fucking window a roll off, and just do a regular 5 4 3 2 1 GO call out. .15 ms? is the highest advantage you can get from this method.

Jesus christ

At least you guys are leaving that long river in africa out of this.

Glad to see VQ has ethics to clarify that automating a start is not at the bare minimum cheating. I mean its not like the computer is any faster take off than a human brain processing the roll. GG.

Slowly VQ is pulling back the guise.

2chainz is acting like the hardest feat in all of this would be automating a right click mouse movement based on pixels/delay? Lmao.

[Nibblewitz]

Those aren’t facts, that’s just the way your brain copes with losing.

[Porz]

If by some miracle stunningly turns out not to be a cheater, it becomes 65 pages of mentally deranged neckbeards trying to bring down a good player who’s only fault was getting too good at racing 😂

Sure thing, the neckbeard that scripts his way to win after win just wanted to be good at racing. Got it.

I forgot VQ definition of cheating is behind jaded lenses.

[Nibblewitz]

Gotta prove the cheating. Sorry you can’t analyze fraps for proof.

[Porz]

Those aren’t facts, that’s just the way your brain copes with losing.

I understand, if I were in your position I would be trying to bail water out of a boat with that wooden bucket you have as well.

Sucks that furor cant openly be your leader and handle all this pr for you.

[Nibblewitz]

Can always try to get better evidence. Show me Stunningly running a script on a race and I’ll eat humble pie. Otherwise, the accusations are baseless which is why the GMs have done nothing to stunningly.

[Nutsax]

Gotta prove the cheating. Sorry you can’t analyze fraps for proof.

Sure you can, it's called circumstantial evidence, courts find people guilty ever day based on it solely.

[k9quaint]

You guys are virtually convinced that this guy is cheating because of a fast jump on a race he loses all the time.

Sometimes Furoar wins. :D

Pole position gives a large advantage in Formula 1 (harder to pass, fewer pit stops, not a simple oval track, etc).

Cheating is rampant in the highest level of many sports, so you guys are probably doing more to make P99 an Olympic sport than anyone else at the moment!

An unrelated thought, should trampolines have nets? or is it more fun to watch the children get launched into the landscaping?

[Nibblewitz]

After dispelling all other explanations beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Samoht]

The evidence was presented for the benefit of the P99 player base, so they know not to waste their time attempting to beat automation via manual means.

Too bad the "evidence" in OPs video sucked :(

True, I mean after the smoking gun you guys have given up on denying the facts.

Smoking gun where? I'd like to see it.

After dispelling all other explanations beyond a reasonable doubt.

Riot is normally so good at dispelling things, too.

[Nutsax]

Can always try to get better evidence. Show me Stunningly running a script on a race and I’ll eat humble pie. Otherwise, the accusations are baseless which is why the GMs have done nothing to stunningly.

Better evidence? Maybe people who want to compete against other humans can hire his grandma with a camcorder to covertly record him.

Destroying evidence demonstrates a consciousness of guilt.

[zati]

The Dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some considered to be unnatural

[Porz]

Can always try to get better evidence. Show me Stunningly running a script on a race and I’ll eat humble pie. Otherwise, the accusations are baseless which is why the GMs have done nothing to stunningly.

Stunningly: Makes incriminating videos private

Nibbleshitz: Prove it, "Hey team we got all those videos hidden right?

[Porz]

Smoking gun where? I'd like to see it.



Ask Stun for a link, Im sure he wouldnt mind sending you the private link to watch it.

[Nibblewitz]

Need to see these programs being used on p99 or it’s all smoke and no fire. People box and use showeq on other servers but agree not to use those things here.

[Ringi]

Awfully defensive of someone who doesn't cheat.

[zati]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ShfUnvRRZU

[Porz]

https://ibb.co/VHXTgqD

Stun, how much do you charge for lessons on coding. Looking at a career change for myself.

[Nibblewitz]

Sorry I don’t agree with you and you find this preposterous.

[Porz]

Need to see these programs being used on p99 or it’s all smoke and no fire. People box and use showeq on other servers but agree not to use those things here.

Do you have to check Stunningly's YouTube prior to each comment to make sure all the damming evidence is still hidden?

[Porz]

Heck, my wife is going to love that I can automate flappy bird for her. Thanks Stun!

[Ennewi]

It isn't so much an accusation as a demonstration. The larger issue is that foot races are vulnerable to similar game-bending/breaking strategies that brought CotH races to an end. The person in question, guilty or not, can best be thought of here as a placeholder for any player wanting an unfair advantage; however small that advantage may or may not be, it casts doubt on the legitimacy of the competition and, therefore, the server as well.

[Samoht]

Ask Stun for a link, Im sure he wouldnt mind sending you the private link to watch it.

Hmm, no. That's not the way evidence works. If you've got a smoking gun, please present it. Otherwise, the only smoke I see is what you're blowing.

[Porz]

Need to see these programs being used on p99 or it’s all smoke and no fire. People box and use showeq on other servers but agree not to use those things here.

We agree? You mean the server besides VQ follows the rules and an inner cell of VQ "agree" to as well?

I guess with a zerg it would take quite a few salty players in VQ to realize the fte dkp scheme with scripts for the "trusted" screws them out of the dkp feeding.

[Ennewi]

That's not the way evidence works.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampering_with_evidence

[Porz]

Hmm, no. That's not the way evidence works. If you've got a smoking gun, please present it. Otherwise, the only smoke I see is what you're blowing.

Sure thing, let me execute a elf search warrant for the deleted videos/github.

Bro this is not rl, maybe your diaper is full but i can see the brown oozing from your eyes.

"Show us the smoking gun that we deleted...." A+ Logic.

[k9quaint]

After dispelling all the evidence from Youtube via DMCA and turning videos to private.

Nibble going hard in the paint.
FYI rutube.ru doesn't respond to DMCA requests! :p

[Samoht]

Sure thing, let me execute a elf search warrant for the deleted videos/github.

Bro this is not rl, maybe your diaper is full but i can see the brown oozing from your eyes.

"Show us the smoking gun that we deleted...." A+ Logic.

Okay, is this the brightest Riot has to offer any more?

This is why you're losing, for real. You can't blame it on the opposition cheating.

[Porz]

OJ didnt kill anyone.
Aaron Hernandez didnt kill anyone.
Hell Manson didnt start a cult.

They all just sucked at deleting the evidence of their actions.

Brb, going to see if I can get a more logical answer from my dog about the scripting evidence than sniffleticks can provide.

[Domo]

Someone please correct me if I got something wrong. I didnt read all.

- OP found evidence that a player is scripting/cheating in game and post about
- player who is accused of cheating and his guild <Vanquish> says its not true
- people found a youtube video of accused player giving instruction how to use the cheat/script
- video gets removed from youtube
- guy whos accused of cheating/scripting and his guild are being silence after posting for over 60 pages that OP is a loser

Did I got it so far correctly?

[Nibblewitz]

Keep freaking out. It’s a good look on you.

[Porz]

Okay, is this the brightest Riot has to offer any more?

This is why you're losing, for real. You can't blame it on the opposition cheating.

You may want to look in the mirror, "Brightest"?

The winner of that is Stunningly who openly posted all of this on his youtube.

Give that man an award for being the brightest crayon in the box please! I think a deep maroon would indicate how bright that is....

[Samoht]

So there's a video deleted somewhere that Riot failed to rip? And you believe the video included some sort of damning evidence? Why wouldn't you rip it?

How do you know that he didn't delete it just because he didn't want to be doxxed by Riot trolls?

I mean, I wouldn't want my picture pasted all over the P99 forums if I looked like an AIDS patient, either.

[Viscere]

Notice how the staff dgaf ?

That's right, 'cause there is nothing to see in here but sore losers and cry babies kek

[Porz]

Someone please correct me if I got something wrong. I didnt read all.

- OP found evidence that a player is scripting/cheating in game and post about
- player who is accused of cheating and his guild <Vanquish> says its not true
- people found a youtube video of accused player giving instruction how to use the cheat/script
- video gets removed from youtube
- guy whos accused of cheating/scripting and his guild are being silence after posting for over 60 pages that OP is a loser

Did I got it so far correctly?

Yah, missing the github where it shows him sharing files and to who...
I would probably add in VQ doubling down on the deleted videos/cheating twice in your ;tldr.

[Samoht]

- OP found evidence that a player is scripting/cheating in game and post about

The only evidence OP found was Kickenit <Riot> cheating. The Riot fanboys extrapolate from there that Stunningly must be cheating if Kickenit is cheating, even though Kickenit beats Stunningly in the race provided as evidence.

- people found a youtube video of accused player giving instruction how to use the cheat/script
- video gets removed from youtube

We don't know what was in the video. The owner deleted it probably because they don't want to be doxxed by Riot trolls.

[Porz]

The only evidence OP found was Kickenit <Riot> cheating. The Riot fanboys extrapolate from there that Stunningly must be cheating if Kickenit is cheating, even though Kickenit beats Stunningly in the race provided as evidence.



We don't know what was in the video. The owner deleted it probably because they don't want to be doxxed by Riot trolls.

"The Owner" Lmao

[Samoht]

"The Owner" Lmao

Well... who else would have deleted it? /boggle

[k9quaint]

The only evidence OP found was Kickenit <Riot> cheating. The Riot fanboys extrapolate from there that Stunningly must be cheating if Kickenit is cheating, even though Kickenit beats Stunningly in the race provided as evidence.



We don't know what was in the video. The owner deleted it probably because they don't want to be doxxed by Riot trolls.

We do know what was in the video. It was up for over 24 hrs and there are multiple mirrors of it now.

The owner's real name is on his Youtube channel, deleting the video would do nothing to change that fact. He even has his name as a domain in the .com space.

The video was re-posted on another Youtube account after the owner marked it private on his feed. That video was removed by a DMCA take-down.

If you want to watch it, just ask Stunningly for access and you will see what the rest of us has already.

[Samoht]

We do know what was in the video. It was up for over 24 hrs and there are multiple mirrors of it now.

The owner's real name is on his Youtube channel, deleting the video would do nothing to change that fact. He even has his name as a domain in the .com space.

The video was re-posted on another Youtube account after the owner marked it private on his feed. That video was removed by a DMCA take-down.

If you want to watch it, just ask Stunningly for access and you will see what the rest of us has already.

That's a lot of words just to say "we don't have any smoking gun after all"

[Porz]

That's a lot of words just to say "we don't have any smoking gun after all"

Is your reading level on par with Floyd Mayweather?

I have a complete understanding of how narcissism and gaslighting function in conversation. Thanks VQ!

[k9quaint]

That's a lot of words just to say "we don't have any smoking gun after all"

Evidence does not require your understanding in order to exist.
If your understanding was a requirement for existence, wiping front to back would not be a thing.

Folks are not trying to convince the Vanquish white knights or the GMs via RNF, such things are impossible. We are just pointing out to the player base where they can learn about scripting on P99. :D

[Domo]

I am not a judge but I hope you guys find a way to fix this situation.

I dunno, maybe the accused scripter comes forward and says sorry so blue raiding can go back to normal.
Or if hes not scripting it would be nice to see him and his guild come forward and say that they understand that it looks like scripting but it isnt, but to bring peace back on the server they accept a new racing format/rule. or bag limits, or a rotation or something else.

Anyways, good luck to find peace again blue.
This whole story is for sure hurting the blue raiding scene.

(sorry about my english)

[Samoht]

Evidence does not require your understanding in order to exist.

No, the evidence just has to exist in order to exist, ROFL.

Folks are not trying to convince the Vanquish white knights or the GMs via RNF, such things are impossible. We are just pointing out to the player base where they can learn about scripting on P99. :D

By cheating yourselves and still losing, right? Come on, say it:

"Riot cheats and still loses"

[Porz]

No, the evidence just has to exist in order to exist, ROFL.



By cheating yourselves and still losing, right? Come on, say it:

"Riot cheats and still loses"

Yah riot totally created a youtube with 35k followers, under someones RL name; to tie it back to his twitch/github/etc.

A+ Seems legit.

Who uses their real name for reddit anyways?

[Tunabros]

both sides cheat rofl

come join green today, you losers

[Ennewi]

I'm not wearing this ski mask to conceal my identity, I'm just insecure about my appearance. Those burnt documents? Embarrassing poetry!

[Porz]

I'm not wearing this ski mask to conceal my identity, I'm just insecure about my appearance. Those burnt documents? Embarrassing poetry!

"Uhh sorry sir, I did burn the documents but the other team found them first. Forgive me?"

[Ennewi]

No, the evidence just has to exist in order to exist, ROFL.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagan_standard

In popular culture
In 2004 the cyclist Lance Armstrong used the phrase "Extraordinary allegations require extraordinary evidence" to discredit allegations of doping put to him by journalist David Walsh.[11][12] Armstrong was later asked "What is it about you that makes ordinary proof insufficient to bring you down? For murderers, we're not looking for extraordinary proof, we're looking for proof. But you're saying it must be extraordinary. Why?".[13] Armstrong later confessed to doping in 2013.[14]

[Porz]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagan_standard

Too much logic, This is a 20yr old elf sim.

You have to be able to provide search warrants issued from highkeep for Stun's computers, without seeking those warrants; deny deny deny.

Still laughing at "The Owner"

[Nutsax]

We don't know what was in the video. The owner deleted it probably because they don't want to be doxxed by Riot trolls.

I would chalk it up to consciousness of guilt:

Consciousness of Guilt is both a concept and a type of circumstantial evidence used in criminal trials by prosecutors. It refers to a powerful and highly incriminating inference that a judge or jury may draw from the statements or conduct of a defendant (accused) after a crime has been committed suggesting that the defendant knows he or she is guilty of the charged crime. In other words, the defendant's conduct after the crime is circumstantial (indirect) evidence that the defendant intended to commit the crime, or, in fact, committed the crime. Some of the most common types of consciousness of guilt are:

Fleeing from the crime scene or jurisdiction > Check
False statements and lies > Check
False alibi > Check
Changing name or personal appearance > Nope lol
Concealing or destroying evidence (including a body or weapon) > Check
Witness intimidation or bribery. > Check

[k9quaint]

No, the evidence just has to exist in order to exist, ROFL

You already admitted you have not seen the video.
Nibble has though. His response is "GMs won't care, LOL".
I have seen the video.

TBH, I am worried for Stunningly. He shared his real name via his Youtube channel with crazy people in Vanquish/Riot and on P99 at large. That is not a smart move. He should have put the training video on a burner account. People take these pixels way too seriously, and now he is out of the closet as someone who has cheated angry elf lawyers from their pixels.

[Porz]

I would chalk it up to consciousness of guilt:

Consciousness of Guilt is both a concept and a type of circumstantial evidence used in criminal trials by prosecutors. It refers to a powerful and highly incriminating inference that a judge or jury may draw from the statements or conduct of a defendant (accused) after a crime has been committed suggesting that the defendant knows he or she is guilty of the charged crime. In other words, the defendant's conduct after the crime is circumstantial (indirect) evidence that the defendant intended to commit the crime, or, in fact, committed the crime. Some of the most common types of consciousness of guilt are:

Fleeing from the crime scene or jurisdiction > Check
False statements and lies > Check
False alibi > Check
Changing name or personal appearance > Nope lol
Concealing or destroying evidence (including a body or weapon) > Check
Witness intimidation or bribery. > Check

Lol.

Changing name or personal appearance > Nope lol

Plastic surgery is a thing.. lmao

[Arvan]

Quick burn the evidence!! Delete the youtube vids where it shows how to cheat in multiple games!

[Confit]

I would chalk it up to consciousness of guilt:

Consciousness of Guilt is both a concept and a type of circumstantial evidence used in criminal trials by prosecutors. It refers to a powerful and highly incriminating inference that a judge or jury may draw from the statements or conduct of a defendant (accused) after a crime has been committed suggesting that the defendant knows he or she is guilty of the charged crime. In other words, the defendant's conduct after the crime is circumstantial (indirect) evidence that the defendant intended to commit the crime, or, in fact, committed the crime. Some of the most common types of consciousness of guilt are:

Fleeing from the crime scene or jurisdiction > Check
False statements and lies > Check
False alibi > Check
Changing name or personal appearance > Nope lol
Concealing or destroying evidence (including a body or weapon) > Check
Witness intimidation or bribery. > Check

wut

[Nibblewitz]

So it’s not about cheating, they just want a new rule set.

[Tunabros]

i want this type of drama on green

sounds so fun to argue all day everyday

[Porz]

You already admitted you have not seen the video.
Nibble has though. His response is "GMs won't care, LOL".
I have seen the video.

TBH, I am worried for Stunningly. He shared his real name via his Youtube channel with crazy people in Vanquish/Riot and on P99 at large. That is not a smart move. He should have put the training video on a burner account. People take these pixels way too seriously, and now he is out of the closet as someone who has cheated angry elf lawyers from their pixels.

Yeah RL concern is #1 for sure. Pixels are serious business.
Concern #2 would be the need to neckbeard this far to get pixels for my team.

Might want to take some time off and imagine where you want your life in 5years.

Hopefully with a family or at least happy, not chasing dopamine pixels with self created 3rd party scripts for your teams approval. (And tons of FTE dkp of course)

Does Stun get royalty dkp for every FTE acquired via other players using his script?

[Porz]

Quick burn the evidence!! Delete the youtube vids where it shows how to cheat in multiple games!

Idk that youtube shows you how to do some serious damage to flappy bird still.

[Arvan]

Idk that youtube shows you how to do some serious damage to flappy bird still.

It will be panic taken down shortly!

[Porz]

So it’s not about cheating, they just want a new rule set.
So it’s not about ourcheating, Riot just wants the truth.

**Ftfy

Keep gaslighting Sniffleditz, It is a good look for you.

I think you forgot your mention of denial in the last statement too, I know how important it is for you to keep the PR under wraps.

[Viscere]

Riot is cool with doxxing

what a bunch of desperate fucks

sad