Activists Hold Funeral For Frozen Chicken In Store

[Lulz~Sect]

The problem is I enjoy eating meat and dairy products on a higher frequency then just lentils, grains, and salad alone.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But you want a health-related fact? I mean, your request was completely scatter-shot so I just posted some devastating environmental facts but uh, let's talk heart disease. Let's talk clogged arteries. This happens due to the accumulation of cholesterol. This kind of cholesterol is only contained in the cell-walls of animals. Nowhere else. Humans have no way to metabolize it, so it leeches into our bloodstream and eventually collects in our hearts. It contributes to a condition that kills us MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE and it only gets in our bodies by consuming animal products. If we are talking nutrition, shouldn't we start by eliminating things that kill us? Not convinced consuming animal products is a driver of heart disease. Well, wanna talk about cancer--the number two killer of our people? I mean, everyone knows the World Health Organization has classified bacon as a carcinogen on the same level as cigarettes, right? Right?

Anyway, I think it's disingenuous in 2017 to claim the consumption of animal products is in any way part of a healthy lifestyle, either for yourself or the planet. We know better, but we are all simply struggling to make choices we can live with, some motivated by ethics, some motivated by convenience, some by pleasure, some by fear of social rejection. I simply believe we are capable of evolving to do much, much better, because I see it happening. Namasté.

Isn't bacon a high risk carcinogen because of the nitrates to preserve it, not because of the fact that it's meat? Also, there seems to be a much bigger correlation between cancers and heart disease with sugar consumption as opposed to meat consumption. Since the FDA tried to push the whole low fat craze in the late 70's early 80's obesity has skyrocketed and (if I'm remembering correctly) heart disease has as well. Even though cholesterol is found in animal parts or byproducts, sugar and sugar substitutes mess with our bodies system and we end up absorbing more cholesterol if we eat more sugar. Again, nutrition science is a very young science and I think we need to be careful making blanket statements like eating any sort of meat is bad. We need better studies and a lot more data before we can put forth anything conclusive. Is the way we go about it nowadays morally wrong? Probably. Is it bad for the environment? Most likely. Is eating a lot of meat bad? Again, probably. Is eating any meat only detrimental to your health? Hard to say but probably not.

[Spyder73]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That said, I'd like to take this opportunity to ask you all a quick question. I don't personally involve myself in these supermarket funerals because I'm not sure about the efficacy of these sort of demonstrations. I see a couple "lol's" and "wtf's" and frankly that's sort of what I expect. But I wonder, what sort of demonstration do you believe would be helpful in getting you to abandon the comfort of your cognitive dissonance to start making better choices based on facts and logic, rather than defaulting to the social programming with which you've been raised?

Doing things like super market funerals make the group look like extremists and radicals (which most people shy away from). The truth of the matter is less than 1% of the population thinks the way you do. As a meat eater the most effective thing I have seen is showing the cruelty and brutality that happens in slaughter houses.

I personally do not feel animals have any rights. Animals are here to serve humans and that may sound harsh but I am entitled to my beliefs just as you are entitled to yours. Do I kill or hurt animals for no reason? No. Do I beat or fight my dogs? No, because I am not a psychopath who likes to see things get hurt, but I also find it crazy that someone can go to jail for abusing a dog or chicken. They are not the same as us and I don't think that is even debatable.

Most vegans/veggies that have given me their spiel on why eating meat is wrong just come off as sounding pretentious and spoiled to me. Hunting has been the most viable way for humans to survive for thousands of years. Although we are approaching a time and place where 100% of people not eating meat might theoretically be possible, it is very short sighted of you to say its wrong when the human species literally would not be here if our ancestors were not hunters. Higher cognitive development isn't even possible from an evolutionary stand point without all the protein meat contains. Only reason you are able to think for yourself is likely because your great great great great great grand paw killed Babmi to feed his family.

If you find it necessary to mettle in other peoples lives and press your agenda onto others I would recommend showing footage of slaughter houses... it's a pretty good way to make people think twice about what they are eating.

I am just not convinced removing meat from the menu solves anymore problems than it would create.

[Raavak]

Mmmmm.... chicken....

Animals have rights. Right in mah belly!

I understand people's concerns about animals. I grew up in a house where one parent was a PETA member. But I also know there are much bigger problems in the world than the way chickens are slaughtered.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But you want a health-related fact? I mean, your request was completely scatter-shot so I just posted some devastating environmental facts but uh, let's talk heart disease. Let's talk clogged arteries. This happens due to the accumulation of cholesterol. This kind of cholesterol is only contained in the cell-walls of animals. Nowhere else. Humans have no way to metabolize it, so it leeches into our bloodstream and eventually collects in our hearts. It contributes to a condition that kills us MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE and it only gets in our bodies by consuming animal products. If we are talking nutrition, shouldn't we start by eliminating things that kill us? Not convinced consuming animal products is a driver of heart disease. Well, wanna talk about cancer--the number two killer of our people? I mean, everyone knows the World Health Organization has classified bacon as a carcinogen on the same level as cigarettes, right? Right?

There are no facts here, so I will simply argue against this paragraph I found from PETA:

Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, one of the world’s most respected nutrition experts, has been able to make patients who were suffering from clogged arteries virtually “heart-attack proof” by putting them on healthy vegetarian diets and getting their cholesterol levels down below 150. The average vegan cholesterol level is about 146, while the average vegetarian cholesterol level is 177. And the average meat-eater’s cholesterol level is 194. Another nutritionist, Dr. Charles Attwood, points out just how strange it is that more is not done in light of this information: If people were being run down by trucks at the same rate that they’re dying from heart attacks induced by diets high in meat, eggs, and dairy products, drastic steps would be taken.

I find all of these correlation studies to be bullshit, but the ones that have been done indicate that 160-240 is the optimum range for total cholesterol. For example, in the Japan Lipid Study found effectively no difference in mortality between cohorts under 220.

Furthermore, I've read Esselstyn's papers and they are full of shit. He has a complete intervention that includes things like exercise and stopping smoking.

Anyway, I think it's disingenuous in 2017 to claim the consumption of animal products is in any way part of a healthy lifestyle, either for yourself or the planet.

You are making tons of unsubstantiated claims and appeals to emotion. I'm posting facts that say you are wrong. Which one of us is being disingenuous again?

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doing things like super market funerals make the group look like extremists and radicals (which most people shy away from). The truth of the matter is less than 1% of the population thinks the way you do. As a meat eater the most effective thing I have seen is showing the cruelty and brutality that happens in slaughter houses.

I personally do not feel animals have any rights. Animals are here to serve humans and that may sound harsh but I am entitled to my beliefs just as you are entitled to yours. Do I kill or hurt animals for no reason? No. Do I beat or fight my dogs? No, because I am not a psychopath who likes to see things get hurt, but I also find it crazy that someone can go to jail for abusing a dog or chicken. They are not the same as us and I don't think that is even debatable.

Most vegans/veggies that have given me their spiel on why eating meat is wrong just come off as sounding pretentious and spoiled to me. Hunting has been the most viable way for humans to survive for thousands of years. Although we are approaching a time and place where 100% of people not eating meat might theoretically be possible, it is very short sighted of you to say its wrong when the human species literally would not be here if our ancestors were not hunters. Higher cognitive development isn't even possible from an evolutionary stand point without all the protein meat contains. Only reason you are able to think for yourself is likely because your great great great great great grand paw killed Babmi to feed his family.

If you find it necessary to mettle in other peoples lives and press your agenda onto others I would recommend showing footage of slaughter houses... it's a pretty good way to make people think twice about what they are eating.

I am just not convinced removing meat from the menu solves anymore problems than it would create.

your position requires divinity and therefore is laughable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I personally do not feel negroes have any rights. Negroes are here to serve whites and that may sound harsh but I am entitled to my beliefs just as you are entitled to yours. Do I kill or hurt negroes for no reason? No. Do I beat or fight my negroes? No, because I am not a psychopath who likes to see things get hurt, but I also find it crazy that someone can go to jail for abusing a negro. They are not the same as us and I don't think that is even debatable.

Most abolitionists that have given me their spiel on why owning slaves is wrong just come off as sounding pretentious and spoiled to me.

Gee, that was easy.

Seriously though, I know you don't kill animals yourself. No one could handle that, so they pay other people to hurt animals for them. I do not fault you for this cowardice, for it means there is still hope for your redemption. <3

And arguments that rely upon the behavior of pre-historic man are kind of silly, I'm sure everyone'd agree. It is no longer necessary to eat meat. There are other, sustainable, less cruel alternatives for protein-dense foods. Do you model cavemen behavior in other aspects of your day-to-day life? Do you adopt their ethics anywhere else? Are you only eating meat for fear your tribe will reject you? No. Of course not. That would be a regression to our most violent, primal beginnings. That would lower us to the level of animals, which are of course not valuable in any way but as a commodity, right?

I leave you with a quote from Tolstoy, one which counters the caveman argument pretty well, in my opinion: "As long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be battlefields."

Thanks friends. Be good to each other.

[Spyder73]

Its not an argument based on prehistoric man - its current man. Again, you represent less than 1% of the population. You have no idea anything about my ethnicity, hunting habits, education level, and you really like to talk in absolutes (SITH). You seem to be doing a lot of projecting and judging and people like you are generally the reason people like me don't take your cause seriously whatsoever.

We are just fundamentally different - I believe animals have absolutely 0 rights - law of the jungle if you will

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We are just fundamentally different - I believe animals have absolutely 0 rights - law of the jungle if you will

I agree we should get to know each other better. You'll have to excuse me, but you sound like so many people I've encountered. Perhaps you can differentiate yourself from the others by answering honestly this question:

What quality, when subtracted from humans, would remove their basic rights in the same way? Take your time--this one's a doozey!

[Pokesan]

i believe spyder73 has 0 rights and im gonna eat him