Activists Hold Funeral For Frozen Chicken In Store

[Lojik]

As with all genius Caligula was merely ahead of his time. But let's be real Incitatus would probably be a better president than donald.

[swilleville]

I consume animals for sustenance. I have pets, never kill an animal that I am not going to eat, and go out of my way to make sure that, at least on the meat that i personally harvest, I dispatch as painlessly as I can. I never said that meat is always sanitary. I said that meat substitutes tastes like shit, blood, and bacteria... well they don't taste good anyway. I appreciate you being passionate about it and I understand your standpoint. Maybe I have been conditioned to eat meat and "brainwashed" by society, but I enjoy eating meat. Does that make me self serving? I guess you could argue that. I was raised hunting and am respectful and reverent of nature. I don't get a perverse sense of pleasure from the hurting of an animal, but I do enjoy the outdoors and I will continue to hunt and fish for the rest of my life. I've tasted my vegan friends foods... They can say what they want about chickpea tuna salad substitute, vegan brownies made with applesauce, and different types of meat substitutes tasting the same, but it doesn't make it true. They usually have god awful textures, bland flavors, and are generally unappetizing. I have canine teeth for a reason. Man is a omnivore.

[Spyder73]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Interestingly, you see people in this thread making arguments against carnism and in favor of veganism, but you do not see the reverse. You see not one meaningful defense of eating meat, and you see not a single effective criticism of veganism

I think you like to make things fit your narrative. I understand your arguments and simply disagree with your conclusion that we should stop eating meat. Veganism is unhealthy compared to a balanced diet and I am not going to eat handfuls of pills daily to get the nutrients I need.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Lulz~Sect [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is I enjoy eating meat and dairy products on a higher frequency then just lentils, grains, and salad alone.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Veganism is unhealthy compared to a balanced diet and I am not going to eat handfuls of pills daily to get the nutrients I need.

I can give you recipes to fulfill your nutritional requirements if that's what you want to pretend your objection is now. I don't take any pills. I mean, any. I haven't needed so much as a Baby Tylenol in like six years. Because I virtually never get sick any more. Because my immune system isn't compromised. But I know you're not really interested in nutrition, so let's not even pretend, k?

Y'all motheruckers really rollin' out some of the Self-Justification Greatest Hits at this point:

"It tastes good."

This is pretty pathetic, right? Are you a baby? I mean, we're such victims of our own taste-buds that we're just forced to kill things? Why can't we simply control ourselves? Practice some discipline? What makes our desire for gratification more important than a life? Motherfuckers claim they're immune to social programming, yet they can't resist obeying their tiny little taste-bud overlords? Yooooooo.

"I was brought up this way."

Just because we've done things a certain way in the past does not make them right or acceptable today. Again, are you a baby? Do you just do what your Daddy done? When we are able to do better, we should. Pertinent examples include child labor, women's suffrage, civil rights, blah blah blah fuck this shit is obvious.

"My canines are for biting meat."

Then bite some raw meat with them, for fuck's sake. You ever actually see a lion's mouth? Your canines are more suited to cracking nuts than tearing meat. I mean fuck, we're not lions or wolves or sharks. We're monkeys. And while chimps do eat some flesh(about 2-3% of their diet) they are more ethically pure than humans. They don't practice speciesism and will occasionally partake in cannibalism.

And as an aside, do the people elevating dogs to a place just below the heights you reserve for humans know that pigs have been determined to be the fifth most intelligent animal on Earth, ahead of even canines? Did you know chickens possess many magnitudes more neurons than dogs, making them capable of forming a greater number of memories, enabling them to retain more than a dog could ever hope? Did you know the reason you love dogs so much is that they perform specialized facial expressions solely for the purpose of cultivating your care? Is there any manipulation you won't fall for? Even dogs are exerting mind-control over your flimsy fucking psyches. YIKES!

When the conversation lurches like this from one crumbling, brainless argument to the next I'm not exactly excited to keep debunking myths and faulty thinking for the ten-thousandth time. I get it, guys. I've eaten meat, too. For a few years I owned a fucking ranch, even. I grew up in Colorado and I hunted. I've slaughtered animals, I've bred animals, I've exploited animals. I understand how hard it is to imagine changing something about yourself you think is so important. I understand why this topic makes you so defensive. I understand exactly what you're going through. And I wouldn't still be revisiting this thread if I didn't believe--as I've stated multiple times--that people are capable of doing better.


That said, I'm not sure how much longer I'll respond. It reaches a point where your most common response is what you had for lunch or how you killed an animal or some other childish attempt to offend me. It's like meat-eater's tourette's, you can't even help yourself. And I want to help you do better, and in order to do so I should remove myself from the conversation so you no longer feel a need to debase yourself this way. At some point, I'm just lending you a platform upon which you can pile abuse because it distracts you from coping with your other, more serious, moral failings.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Interestingly, you see people in this thread making arguments against carnism and in favor of veganism, but you do not see the reverse.

Please don't feed the trolls.

[swilleville]

I agree you should follow your earlier statement that essentially went something like "i usually don't post online because i tend to be a raging asshole that venomously spews hate towards anyone that I don't agree with while maintaining that my viewpoint is the best viewpoint because i feel that it is." It is fine man I won't lose any sleep over this conversation that I have kept civilized while you have flown off the handle increasingly throughout every new message you type. Pro tip: if you want to change peoples minds then don't start by telling them that their mind is obviously inferior to yours and that they are horrible people because they feel differently than you. It makes you seem like a dick. You are obviously an articulate and passionate person about the topic and I respect your standpoint. I just choose not to follow it. I have had deer, dogs, horses, goats, cows, chickens, and rabbits as pets throughout my life. I eat deer, goat, cow, chicken, and rabbit. I don't eat dog, cat, or horse because I have no desire to. I'm not controlled by my taste buds... i just choose not to eat things that aren't appetizing. I haven't gotten defensive about anything so far as I can tell. Sorry this conversation made you upset.

[Pokesan]

maslow ranks food more important than feeling selfrighteous

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by swilleville [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pro tip: if you want to change peoples minds then don't start by telling them that their mind is obviously inferior to yours and that they are horrible people because they feel differently than you.

I haven't done any of this. I've done the opposite, in fact, repeatedly reminding people that I believe in their ability to make better choices. Perhaps you are simply coming to these conclusions on your own? Maybe you're just feeling guilt? I admit and have apologized for being acerbic. But seriously, get over it. You're tough enough to kill things and eat their flesh, you can handle my mean words on the internet from time-to-time. As I've said, I think it's just easier for you to focus on my tone than your own moral paradoxes.

Originally Posted by swilleville [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not controlled by my taste buds... i just choose not to eat things that aren't appetizing.

K. I choose not to eat things that are unsustainable. I choose not to eat things if it means they'll die.

How can you even begin to argue that your stance deserves the same sort of respect as mine? I'm serious. How can you argue that "appetizing" food is more important than ethical, sustainable food? It boggles the mind, to be sure. And talk about selfish.

Let's just call a spade a spade here, boys. I am obviously more curious about and educated on this topic than basically anyone else in this thread, right? My arguments are well-reasoned and have yet to be disputed in any real way(saying "I disagree" isn't a counter-point, bros). I am also more ethically consistent. These things aren't really up for debate, are they? So why is it that everyone feels so righteous in opposition? Is this simply a sign of the times, that when confronted with inconvenient truths we retreat to wrap ourselves in ignorance? We just plug our ears and repeat, "I don't wanna so I ain't gotta?"

I mean, the only argument anyone really makes here is "I eat meat because I want to."

Does this hold water? Is this just the easy way out? Is "I want to" an acceptable justification for anything, really? I think we should hold ourselves to a higher standard. We can do better. I can do better.

Unless we just don't want to, of course.

[Raavak]

There are plenty of good reasons to eat meat, but you are hardly worth the time.