ok, so did Donald Trump win or lose in this election?

[katrik]

If the house was flipped, what exactly would you call it?

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by katrik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the house was flipped, what exactly would you call it?

losing control of the house is a huge victory for strong daddy tromp

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[ScaringChildren]

It's expected to lose something in the midterms.

Who holds onto all 3 branches for a full term? Not a lot.

The media has been hyping this election up for more than two years and this is what happens?

I'd say that's a victory for Trump.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's expected to lose something in the midterms.

Who holds onto all 3 branches for a full term? Not a lot.

The media has been hyping this election up for more than two years and this is what happens?

I'd say that's a victory for Trump.

sir stop yelling at the tv

[loramin]

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's expected to lose something in the midterms.

It's also expected that when when the economy is going well the party in power does well. If we're measuring things by historical expectations, given how well the economy is doing the Democratic wins in this election are unprecedented. Trump is just hated so much that he's even alienated the people who would normally be like "well I don't agree with him but he made the economy do well so I'll support him."

And, as a side note, no one should care about the current economy when it comes to politics: when you actually understand how big the economy is and how many different actors are involved, it becomes incredibly obvious that neither President or Congress (whatever party control them) have very much direct control over the current economy. Or even all that much indirect control. And what control they do have is mostly felt years later, so the average voter is almost always blaming the wrong people for the current economic state.

[ScaringChildren]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's also expected that when when the economy is going well the party in power does well. If we're measuring things by historical expectations, given how well the economy is doing the Democratic wins in this election are unprecedented. Trump is just hated so much that he's even alienated the people who would normally be like "well I don't agree with him but he made the economy do well so I'll support him."

And, as a side note, no one should care about the current economy when it comes to politics: when you actually understand how big the economy is and how many different actors are involved, it becomes incredibly obvious that neither President or Congress (whatever party control them) have very much direct control over the current economy. Or even all that much indirect control. And what control they do have is mostly felt years later, so the average voter is almost always blaming the wrong people for the current economic state.

So are you crediting Trump with the good economy...or not?

[Frieza_Prexus]

This was an extremely average midterm that ended exactly how most reasonable analysts predicted.

The only real practical benefit for the GOP is that any SCOTUS nominees (and other judges, I guess) in the next 2 years will sail through more easily. Calling it now, Amy Coney Barrett WILL take RBG's spot if she dies. Raymond Kethledge is a more qualified jurist by a reasonable margin, but Barrett is a "suck my dick" pick at the left which will be done now that they fought Kavanaugh so hard. If they somehow get yet another pick after that, I could see Garland being supported by vocal minority of republicans as he's actually a great judge and his views on Roe will be immaterial at that point.

Losing the house was expected, and will only pay large dividends if they manage to successfully investigate the administration for law breaking/real scandal. Most moderates are tired of grandstanding investigations that never go anywhere, so really, the 2020 election will turn on whether or not Mueller is able to successfully bring forth a Watergate level scandal. If that happens, you're looking at 4-8 years of blue dominance. If not, and the economy holds, the GOP will crush in 2020.

If the GOP is able to hold through 2020, if they're smart, they'll bend on healthcare an adopt a single-payer hybrid system that allows private insurance for the well-off who want to skip the wait time for procedures and pay now to get their hip replacement yet fully covers all others. If they keep up the "hurr durr obummercare" rhetoric, they're throwing away a huge amount of leverage for 2022 and beyond.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So are you crediting Trump with the good economy...or not?

Ddi you even read my post...or not?

I said very clearly: I don't credit any president (or Congress) for any economy, good or bad. If you truly believe the president (or Congress) has some magic dial they can turn to make the economy better or worse, you seriously need to take an economics class or three.

But regardless of reality, there is a perception that the President is to blame for the economy, and that perception has historically had a big effect on politics. There's been a trend that you can follow going back many decades: a good economy = good results for the party in power ...

... up until this election that is.