Love Aspects but I can see why.

[Jibartik]

Wow didn't curb stomp EQ in terms of sales because it's better, it curbstomped EQ in terms of sales because people are dumb. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Kittik]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow didn't curb stomp EQ in terms of sales because it's better, it curbstomped EQ in terms of sales because people are dumb. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ture. But people don't like their eyes to bleed, so...

I've said it somewhere before and I'll say it again. If you had EQ (EQ Green even) and give it a brand new Graphics engine (not even brand new, you could use EQ2 graphics engine) and a UI that didn't make me want to kick puppies, you'd have a game that would have a million subscriptions.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Kittik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ture. But people don't like their eyes to bleed, so...

When Tunare is your mom.

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[Ivory]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When Tunare is your mom.

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[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Kittik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ture. But people don't like their eyes to bleed, so...

I've said it somewhere before and I'll say it again. If you had EQ (EQ Green even) and give it a brand new Graphics engine (not even brand new, you could use EQ2 graphics engine) and a UI that didn't make me want to kick puppies, you'd have a game that would have a million subscriptions.

Why the need for a million subs. Everything is judged by console and mobile titles.. and kids consider a game on PC dead if it doesn't have some number of players pulled from their bottoms. Mass appeal doesn't mean something is good, no in fact what it can mean is Diablo 3. If you are basing "goodness" on numbers consider Pop artist music. Having said this, some older guys out there are reading this and wouldn't piss on me if I was fire. Diablo is not that well regarded, EQ is considered one of the popular games that started the move towards Games as a Service models. Personally I see an MMORPG like EQ being its own thing but that doesn't stop others with a more business minded approach seeing it as yet another thing "idiots will pay for", then whatever spark was there that ignited the interest will be removed and replaced with more gimmicks. QoL is a gimmick.

[Kittik]

Originally Posted by Mblake81 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why the need for a million subs. Everything is judged by console and mobile titles.. and kids consider a game on PC dead if it doesn't have some number of players pulled from their bottoms. Mass appeal doesn't mean something is good, no in fact what it can mean is Diablo 3. If you are basing "goodness" on numbers consider Pop artist music. Having said this, some older guys out there are reading this and wouldn't piss on me if I was fire. Diablo is not that well regarded, EQ is considered one of the popular games that started the move towards Games as a Service models. Personally I see an MMORPG like EQ being its own thing but that doesn't stop others with a more business minded approach seeing it as yet another thing "idiots will pay for", then whatever spark was there that ignited the interest will be removed and replaced with more gimmicks. QoL is a gimmick.

If EQ had 10 Million subs and WoW had 100K, who do you think everyone would have copied? And instead of having 1000 shitty WoW clones out there today we'd have 1000 EQ clones.

So yes, number of subs is important.

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Kittik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If EQ had 10 Million subs and WoW had 100K, who do you think everyone would have copied? And instead of having 1000 shitty WoW clones out there today we'd have 1000 EQ clones.

So yes, number of subs is important.

Would EQ be what it is by adding more QoL in order to gain the 10 million subs or would we be shitting on all of the EQ clones now because they copied something that sucked?

[Kittik]

Originally Posted by Mblake81 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would EQ be what it is by adding more QoL in order to gain the 10 million subs or would we be shitting on all of the EQ clones now because they copied something that sucked?

Well obviously we'd be shitting on the clones. It's what we do as gamers. It's part of our pedigree. However, I'd be happier with a world of EQ clones than WoW clones.

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Kittik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, I'd be happier with a world of EQ clones than WoW clones.

Why?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Kittik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ture. But people don't like their eyes to bleed, so...

I've said it somewhere before and I'll say it again. If you had EQ (EQ Green even) and give it a brand new Graphics engine (not even brand new, you could use EQ2 graphics engine) and a UI that didn't make me want to kick puppies, you'd have a game that would have a million subscriptions.

No...you really wouldn’t. Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely love EQ as much as the next person but if you just cloned this game, updated the graphics, and tried to release it today you wouldn’t come close to seven figures for subscribers on any consistent basis. You might hit seven figures in the first like month after launch because the MMO player base will try anything that comes out because it’s a dead industry, but so many would quickly move on.

EQ’s clunky, and sometimes dumb, needlessly draconian, and/or pointless, mechanics are certainly not something that would achieve mainstream seven figure subscriber count success in 2019.