Project Quarm - 1 Box Planes of Power

[Secrets]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Poor Decision?

Seriously?

Before the server launched we said that anyone who outed a CSR would receive a Fungi tunic, and the person in question would be given the choice of stopping either playing or CSR'ing, one of the two.

Zaide outed a CSR's personal identity and the CSR was given that choice. They stayed on the staff and were later removed from the team for unrelated reasons upon an secondary, unrelated investigation.
This fungi tunic 'accusation' came to light a month after it had happened as someone inspected Zaide's character, after we had rewarded them for outing someone who betrayed our trust internally.

From my perspective, it removed someone who betrayed our trust, and the incentive worked as it was intended.
Players did not like the incentive. We listened to them, heard out their concerns. I disagree with not keeping that incentive in still.

We have since dialed back the reward to a multi word surname (title) of the players' choice for outing a CSR, and the punishment for the team member in question is now to have the CSR removed entirely.
I expected people to have concerns about the entire thing because it involved an unobtainable item, and it was exacerbated by the fact that it was given to the guild leader of a prominent guild, who also joked about the reward publicly, which many have quoted without the context.

Personally, I don't give a single fuck what folks think about us. I'm not stopping the server because someone 'exposed' something that we did in plain sight and have talked about on the Discord and Twitch repeatedly since launch. But, I think it's also important to disclose factual information surrounding the fiction said about us.

From this forum's perspective, it's not expected that anyone would understand the facts surrounding the situation. P99 players play on P99. Most don't keep up with this server. That's understandable that people will make their own conclusions from Tiktok-tier sources as a way to justify tribalism. For example, I was told that there would be a group of players attempting to discredit us because they didn't want to leave Green. That's their decision to play where they want. But don't harass us over it.

Let me tell you this: both servers hate that shit. I delete comments made about P99's staff on our Discord all the time. Our server isn't a safe space for that kind of drama.

We all just want to make a cool game to play. We're transparent as fuck because I learned if we aren't, we'll get even more wild accusations thrown against us than this. And I still try and respond to our accusations, no matter how wild... it's easier for people to make conclusions with all the facts available.

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Personally, I don't give a single fuck what folks think about us. I'm not stopping the server because someone 'exposed' something that we did in plain sight and have talked about on the Discord and Twitch repeatedly since launch. But, I think it's also important to disclose factual information surrounding the fiction said about us.

From this forum's perspective, it's not expected that anyone would understand the facts surrounding the situation. P99 players play on P99. Most don't keep up with this server. That's understandable that people will make their own conclusions from Tiktok-tier sources as a way to justify tribalism. For example, I was told that there would be a group of players attempting to discredit us because they didn't want to leave Green. That's their decision to play where they want. But don't harass us over it.

You made a thread on the p99 forums to promote another emu server of roughly the same timeframe. You're free to give no fucks but expect some critiques. I'm a big fan of the work you did here so don't take it personal.

The reason fungigate is a big turn off is because it comes accross like some kids who finally got the keys to dad's car and decided to go do donuts with it in a parkinglot, and it's indicative of what to expect in the future. I want my GM's utterly mysterious and barely present except when completely necessary. I understand it was meant to actually strengthen confidence in the CSR staff, and hopefully it worked to do that.

[Secrets]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You made a thread on the p99 forums to promote another emu server of roughly the same timeframe. You're free to give no fucks but expect some critiques. I'm a big fan of the work you did here so don't take it personal.

The reason fungigate is a big turn off is because it comes accross like some kids who finally got the keys to dad's car and decided to go do donuts with it in a parkinglot, and it's indicative of what to expect in the future. I want my GM's utterly mysterious and barely present except when completely necessary. I understand it was meant to actually strengthen confidence in the CSR staff, and hopefully it worked to do that.

I'm expecting criticism, part of bidirectional public communication means that it's a part of that. Obviously, people will cross lines occasionally against us, this doesn't feel like a line crossing to have legitimate concerns, but it doesn't mean I shouldn't reply at all.

Game developers being emotionless has never made sense to me as a game developer and game player. I'm a person, I will have opinions as our players do. I'm human, and I make mistakes, as everyone else does. I wear those mistakes on behalf of the server as I do my success; out in public, on my chest.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Before the server launched we said that anyone who outed a CSR would receive a Fungi tunic, and the person in question would be given the choice of stopping either playing or CSR'ing, one of the two.

Zaide outed a CSR's personal identity and the CSR was given that choice. They stayed on the staff and were later removed from the team for unrelated reasons upon an secondary, unrelated investigation.
This fungi tunic 'accusation' came to light a month after it had happened as someone inspected Zaide's character, after we had rewarded them for outing someone who betrayed our trust internally.

From my perspective, it removed someone who betrayed our trust, and the incentive worked as it was intended.
Players did not like the incentive. We listened to them, heard out their concerns. I disagree with not keeping that incentive in still.

We have since dialed back the reward to a multi word surname (title) of the players' choice for outing a CSR, and the punishment for the team member in question is now to have the CSR removed entirely.
I expected people to have concerns about the entire thing because it involved an unobtainable item, and it was exacerbated by the fact that it was given to the guild leader of a prominent guild, who also joked about the reward publicly, which many have quoted without the context.

Personally, I don't give a single fuck what folks think about us. I'm not stopping the server because someone 'exposed' something that we did in plain sight and have talked about on the Discord and Twitch repeatedly since launch. But, I think it's also important to disclose factual information surrounding the fiction said about us.

From this forum's perspective, it's not expected that anyone would understand the facts surrounding the situation. P99 players play on P99. Most don't keep up with this server. That's understandable that people will make their own conclusions from Tiktok-tier sources as a way to justify tribalism. For example, I was told that there would be a group of players attempting to discredit us because they didn't want to leave Green. That's their decision to play where they want. But don't harass us over it.

Let me tell you this: both servers hate that shit. I delete comments made about P99's staff on our Discord all the time. Our server isn't a safe space for that kind of drama.

We all just want to make a cool game to play. We're transparent as fuck because I learned if we aren't, we'll get even more wild accusations thrown against us than this. And I still try and respond to our accusations, no matter how wild... it's easier for people to make conclusions with all the facts available.

You promoted the server here and now that some tomfoolery gets exposed you're the victim?

Sorry but this is a huge steaming pile of turd you just tried to serve up

You're trying to excuse blatant corruption at the highest levels within your staff giving political answers with a forked tongue

You 'announced' that anyone that outed a CSR would receive a fungi tunic and then when this supposedly happens, you don't say anything and people don't find out until an inspection and it's the leader of a prominent guild? No serverwide message? No giving anyone a head's up?

Bruh

How do we know you didn't premeditate the fungi story to provide cover for when you geared out your pals? Plausible deniability. Average players were never going to out a CSR, let's be real here

No, what happened is you guys gave one of your boys a fungi on the sly and cooked up a story when people found out. This has always been a problem with private servers. A incestuous relationship between the top players and 'staff' and 'devs' with no self control wanting to please the cliques. You had an opportunity to break that cycle and learn from past mistakes, but you failed miserably

Anyone who plays on Quarm needs to understand if you're trying to compete with any of these fools whispering in Secret's ear you don't stand a chance. There is no level playing field

Anytime there is some massive elf lawyer quest where your staff has to get involved and pick winners and losers this issue is going to be on people's minds, especially when you side with the guild leader of a prominent guild. This isn't about the item you dumb sob

Play at your own risk

[Secrets]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You promoted the server here and now that some tomfoolery gets exposed you're the victim?

Sorry but this is a huge steaming pile of turd you just tried to serve up

You're trying to excuse blatant corruption at the highest levels within your staff giving political answers with a forked tongue

You 'announced' that anyone that outed a CSR would receive a fungi tunic and then when this supposedly happens, you don't say anything and people don't find out until an inspection and it's the leader of a prominent guild? No serverwide message? No giving anyone a head's up?

Bruh

How do we know you didn't premeditate the fungi story to provide cover for when you geared out your pals? Plausible deniability. Average players were never going to out a CSR, let's be real here

No, what happened is you guys gave one of your boys a fungi on the sly and cooked up a story when people found out. This has always been a problem with private servers. A incestuous relationship between the top players and 'staff' and 'devs' with no self control wanting to please the cliques. You had an opportunity to break that cycle and learn from past mistakes, but you failed miserably

Anyone who plays on Quarm needs to understand if you're trying to compete with any of these fools whispering in Secret's ear you don't stand a chance. There is no level playing field

Anytime there is some massive elf lawyer quest where your staff has to get involved and pick winners and losers this issue is going to be on people's minds, especially when you side with the guild leader of a prominent guild. This isn't about the item you dumb sob

Play at your own risk

You jumping to conclusions about something you don't know tells me all I need to know about your reading comprehension.

We enforce the rules equally and written. And the rewards are equally granted as written. If you actually read instead of jumping to conspiracies, you'd understand the core facts here:

1) We advertised openly that we would reward people for exposing our staff since prior to launch (and also on these forums, I believe)
2) Zaide reported a CSR that disclosed the identity of a CSR's player character in private.
3) Zaide declined the fungi reward at first.
4) The CSR was given a choice to continue playing or continue CSR'ing.
5) The CSR chose to continue CSR'ing.
6) The CSR's personal involvement with the playerbase gave us concern
7) The CSR was removed from the team and was generally understanding of why. We did not disclose the details of their removal to protect their privacy.
8) The policy was updated after players had noticed Zaide with a fungi reward.

If you don't like the way we handle our server, here's a list of other 1-box EverQuest servers (excluding the Chainbreaker (Classless) server that is still going because we're also involved there, too)

www.everquest.com - Live, TLP (Truebox)
www.project1999.com - Project 1999 Green, Red, Blue (1box)