Claw of Lightning or Rogue Epic for offhand?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not reading that shit, but are you scholars actually telling people to swap in backstabs? What the fuck. No. It's not worth it for performance and a massive hit to QoL. The only weapon swapping worth the effort on P99 is primal for avatar procs. Offhand your epic and choose your favorite NToV weapon for main.

I've seen rogues who are trying to get top parses swap mainhand for better backstabs. It just depends on how much OP wants to win at parses.

[Cecily]

Thank you for the anecdote. There's a lot.... of variation in damage numbers for end game raiding. Have your full set of buffs + an epic bard and avatar is how you win parses. Not channeling autism for 5 min fights.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for the anecdote. There's a lot.... of variation in damage numbers for end game raiding. Have your full set of buffs + an epic bard and avatar is how you win parses. Not channeling autism for 5 min fights.

You are correct there is always variation in parses. It's up to OP to decide if they want to swap main hand for better backstabs or not. I won't judge either way.

[shovelquest]

One of the things I cant get over mentally with parsers is, is it counting when I start attacking? Or when a mob hits me first when its coming up with DPS numbers?

Like not yours, but all of them. If im fighting 10x things that are all fighting me, can i trust the DPS scores for all 10 of those things after they are all dead?

Or does it like give me a low score for a mob that i agroed and then had to kill 9 other things first, before engaging with it myself?

[Cecily]

Your EQ client has a log file and a parser parses them, sectioning off fights when certain parameters are met. X hp to count as a fight which you can set to reduce noise. Fight ends when there's a slain by message and I think there's a timer, too. If you're fighting a bunch of things with the same name or people are using the same charm mobs, the parser is too dumb to distinguish them. In the scenario you mentioned, I think it starts counting when someone hits a thing and it'll time out if people stop. In any case, that's a bad scenario for getting useful parse information.

[Zuranthium]

I was given a 25/50 dagger by a GM for my good deeds. Peregrin Parsealot always swaps for his backstabs.

[Cecily]

Lol bullshit

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not reading that shit, but are you scholars actually telling people to swap in backstabs? What the fuck. No. It's not worth it for performance and is a massive hit to QoL. The only weapon swapping worth the effort on P99 is primal for avatar procs. Offhand your epic and choose your favorite NToV weapon for main.

This.

On live I used a Vyemm with offhand Rage. I never parsed it in 2000 but it just felt better. If I had a rogue on p99 I’d parse the hell out of this to make sure. Depending on the fight if in/outs are called I’d probably swap those (rage MH) for a higher average backstab cycle.

Anyone who can get a Vyemm can get a claw if they really want to try out. I suspect it’s a lateral upgrade (unless you are hover-swapping the rage for the Vyemm and keeping the claw in place).

IMHO, for a rogue replace the main hand first (any top 3 work damn well). Then get a primal. Don’t listen to me though…I’m not a rogue here. Listen to people who play rogues. Or create a ranger so I can give you bad advice for that class [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] .

[Cecily]

Primal spear -> Mrylo + Ragebringer is BIS for QoL. Tabithaa who was and is afaik the best geared rogue on Green bought a Vyemm's Fang to run main hand and used Mrylo to swap for backstabs, with epic offhand. Conclusion was it can parse higher, some of the time, and overall was not worth the effort. Vyemm alone can outparse Mrylo, some of the time. Not worth using over Mrylo.

As I mentioned, most of your parse comes down to buff preparation. Also having gear that will almost certainly cost more of your life than the value it provides (AoBx3, Dain Ring, Mrylo/Vyemm). Then it's just RNG. Procing avatar quickly makes or breaks your parse. And Claw of Lighting is a DKP drain. Just use your epic. It's better.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone who can get a Vyemm can get a claw if they really want to try out. I suspect it’s a lateral upgrade (unless you are hover-swapping the rage for the Vyemm and keeping the claw in place).

Basically. In my experience, Claw = Ragebringer and Vyemm's Fang = Mrylokar's Dagger. The claw's better ratio has to compete with -40 ATK on every main hand, off hand, and backstab attack. It balances out to a degree, but it's lateral at best. Fang rogues perform just as well as Mrylokar rogues, but the lifetap DoT the best QoL boost you'll ever get on a rogue. It's a constant 30 hp regen buff that softens AoEs and keeps you patched up.