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Old 07-23-2025, 11:48 PM
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Whatever happened to diminishing returns? That 3rd/4th root wouldn't last long at all...
Hmm, I don't recall that being a mechanic. Any links to logs or dev chat about it?
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Old 07-24-2025, 12:14 AM
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Trying to find evidence of it seems difficult.

Was it a dream? It was real to me. Anyone else remember this on live back in the day?
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Old 07-24-2025, 01:35 AM
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Im thinking daybreak deal is making p99 stuck where it is, no resets, no wipes. Only nerfs. And no talking about it, because the devs have been completely silent for years now. No one knows whats going on.
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Old 07-24-2025, 02:07 AM
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Old 07-24-2025, 02:52 AM
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I agree with larger swaths of what you've written, but I think claiming "Daybreak broke P99" is a bit hyperbolic.

By all accounts, P99 is at least 90% like classic EQ. Even if the Daybreak agreement somehow said "P99 can't get more classic" (which I rather doubt) ... being stuck at 90% certainly doesn't equate to "broken".
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It's classic, most people just didn't realize it.
No. I've been down this road enough times. It is provably not classic. Feel free to review the bug report forum.

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Im thinking daybreak deal is making p99 stuck where it is, no resets, no wipes. Only nerfs. And no talking about it, because the devs have been completely silent for years now. No one knows whats going on.
I think it is something like this. If I had to make a realistic guess the agreement limited P99 in some way that just killed the devs motivation. They wanted to do XYZ things and Daybreak said no, you will never do that, ever. The devs realizing they could never modify the client or do whatever changes it was they wanted to do in order to realize "the vision" just stopped caring. So they put in a bit of effort to keep things moving but the passion is gone forever.

Like you put 10 years into a project then a corporation takes a big steamy dump on it and tells you to keep on adjusting vendor muffin quantities as much as you want as long as you never touch the client side code again.
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Old 07-24-2025, 11:12 AM
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Im thinking daybreak deal is making p99 stuck where it is, no resets, no wipes. Only nerfs. And no talking about it, because the devs have been completely silent for years now. No one knows whats going on.
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I think it is something like this. If I had to make a realistic guess the agreement limited P99 in some way that just killed the devs motivation. They wanted to do XYZ things and Daybreak said no, you will never do that, ever. The devs realizing they could never modify the client or do whatever changes it was they wanted to do in order to realize "the vision" just stopped caring.
Ok I can understand the noob making these claims, but Azxten you have a join date of 2010. You know the P99 devs have been slow since long before the Daybreak agreement: Velious took so long no one believed it would ever arrive, and Green (1.0) took so long it was considered to be a myth ... even though it (ostensibly) was the point of the entire project!

It's reasonable to be frustrated by their slowness and lack of transparency, but to blame it on Daybreak is to ignore P99 history.
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Old 07-24-2025, 12:10 PM
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Ok I can understand the noob making these claims, but Azxten you have a join date of 2010. You know the P99 devs have been slow since long before the Daybreak agreement: Velious took so long no one believed it would ever arrive, and Green (1.0) took so long it was considered to be a myth ... even though it (ostensibly) was the point of the entire project!

It's reasonable to be frustrated by their slowness and lack of transparency, but to blame it on Daybreak is to ignore P99 history.
They are claims dumbass. This is the second time you said stuff about that is false.
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Old 07-24-2025, 12:11 PM
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Are NOT claims I mean... no editing...
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Old 07-24-2025, 12:41 PM
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It is probably not classic.
Root proximity aggro is absolutely classic. I was constantly instructing people on how to do it back then.
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