Is monk vs warrior dps really classic right now?

[SirAlvarex]

I see what you're getting at, but to truly get an idea on any DPS disparity, you have to have both you and the monk using the same weapon with the same haste against the same mob. See if you can get a monk friend to use a staff of battle and get some parses that way.

If he is still doing 1.5-2x damage than you, then the calculations are probably off. If he isn't, then maybe the damage bonus on the upper tier 2handers are off. Or maybe Peacebringer is just that hoss.

[Splorf22]

OK, a few more parses:

Rasanik L45 Iksar monk w AC/SoS + RBG
--- DMG: 15383 (38.82%) @ 35 dps (35 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 3217 @7dps

Scar L46 Gnome Rogue with (i think) Rapier of Orinn/CSS + no haste
--- DMG: 9897 (24.98%) @ 23 dps (22 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 168 @1dps

Sakuragi L45 Iksar Warrior with Staff of Battle + FBSS
--- DMG: 9741 (24.58%) @ 22 dps (22 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 3117 @7dps

Jabarer L45 Shaman Pet
--- DMG: 4416 (11.14%) @ 10 dps (10 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 241 @1dps

Now Rasanik has some serious gear, but as you can see from the DPS numbers he spent as much time tanking as I did or more. Scar is not doing that well dps wise because he has no haste item, I didn't have solid aggro cause I was using the staff of battle 100% of the time. I believe we all had Shaman haste/buffs at this point.

And here is little Sakuragi in Mistmoore (It was low 30s somewhere, I forget exactly where. Xuru and I trioed the castle entrance in this parse I believe; its been a while).

Sakuragi: L30 Iksar Warrior with Staff of Battle/FBSS
--- DMG: 12240 (50.82%) @ 13 dps (13 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 3915 @4dps

Xuru: L31 Iksar Monk with IFS/FBSS
--- DMG: 11845 (49.18%) @ 12 dps (12 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 1498 @2dps

another group from Mistmoore, again with approximate levels:

Shoggoth: L35 Iksar Monk with Peacebringer / FBSS
--- DMG: 21936 (39.9%) @ 16 dps (16 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 4833 @4dps

Xuru: L35 Iksar Monk with IFS/FBSS
--- DMG: 17504 (31.84%) @ 13 dps (13 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 3616 @3dps

Sakuragi: L35 Iksar Warrior with Staff of Battle/ FBSS
--- DMG: 15539 (28.26%) @ 12 dps (11 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 6022 @4dps

So my conclusion here is that somehow between 30->50 monk dps just goes off the charts while warrior dps doesn't change much.

Anyway none of this is all that relevant compared to real data on what things were like in classic.

[fischsemmel]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I am saying is that the current disparity is just so insane, any normal person would think it is unlikely to be classic. Now maybe it is, but if so I'd like to see how and why the devs decided to make it this way.

Any normal person who has ultimate faith in the developers of one of the first MMOs ever perfectly balancing a bunch of classes in an MMO would think that it's insane that the classes weren't balanced.

And if you want to see if this was the case, and if you want to see how and why the devs decided to do things the way they did, then fucking google it. No one here is going to do it for you, especially since they all just think you're a whiny non-monk by this point.

[SirAlvarex]

To be fair, unless there is substantial parsing evidence, you'll get a lot of flak accusing a class of being unfairly OP.

I mean, when DoTs and pet XP were made more inline with the classic timeline, you'd see 40 page posts explaining it wasn't fair. No one likes seeing their class nerfed, so you'll need definitive proof to get any support.

[Orruar]

So you post a parse that shows a monk doing twice the damage as you. Then you post one that shows that when you're using 2hb, the monk is now only doing 50% more damage than you. Then you post a bunch of stuff showing that monks should be about 50% more dps than warriors.

Are you trying to thank the developers for doing such a good job on getting the balance classic?

[Dravingar]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trevelain: 50 Half-elf Rogue with Ragebringer
--- DMG: 87021 (50.82%) @ 32 dps (30 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 5465 @2dps

Tell that rogue to not be afk next time. I was doing 32 DPS on PoAir mobs with 21% haste at level 50 and Eyerazzia/BR combo.

[Splorf22]

Lets see Orruar. I did 18 dps with Sarnak Warhammer/Wurmslayer. I did 22 dps with Staff of Battle. That's a 22% increase. So 2HB must be quite a bit better, I guess this is just amazingly balanced is all.

Oh wait, I guess you didn't read the part where I said I had shaman buffs in the Sol B parse. I'm pretty sure I had quickness not alacrity which would give me 1.51/1.21 = gee, a 25% damage increase. I must be a complete idiot.

If you had paid any attention to the graphs you would see that from L30->L50 monk damage goes insane (factor of 3) while warrior damage increases by 50%.

@dravingar (one of the few people actually reading posts) I'm guessing you had enchanter haste though. At least from what I saw he wasn't AFK'ing massively. And cause he was >50% of our DPS, I think I would have noticed.

Anyway, I'm tired of this thread. 90% of the people here are either not paying attention or worse.