How OP is ench?

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by TheOutdoorNerd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's probably the hardest class to play well, so it makes sense that it's the most powerful. It's so much work to play one at that level, though. I like my necro because I get most of that power with about 1/4 of the work, plus being able to FD and go AFK. When you go AFK as a chanter, there's 100% chance charm will break and eat you within a second of taking your eyes off the screen. And the 255 CHA just means the pet will laugh while it's eating you.

Hardest class to play well?

Nah.

[Spyder73]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hardest class to play well?

Nah.

Please keep in mind that P99 is a community of people who think it takes skill to push a dragon in a circle and not eat enrage for the 10 seconds that its active.

[Lulz~Sect]

imaging having a pet festering hag

then imagine killing it for full xp after it kills one for u

scale that up to end game

the end

[dbouya]

Enchanters might be OP, but we need them to be on p99. On daybreak things are just way too easy and so being strong is an actual problem that can make the game less fun. Things are still hard enough on p99 that no matter which OP class you are, it's still fun, because it's still risky.

[Rivera]

Originally Posted by dbouya [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enchanters might be OP, but we need them to be on p99. On daybreak things are just way too easy and so being strong is an actual problem that can make the game less fun. Things are still hard enough on p99 that no matter which OP class you are, it's still fun, because it's still risky.

I don't think anyone is saying we don't need Enchanters or even that they need a nerf.

[Sonderbeast]

Noob class, try warrior.

[Yasi]

On the early days of Agnarr, a disproportionate share of the people rolled Enchanter, as they are highly gear in-dependent and can basically solo most (krono) camps.

In classic, the charm pets were superior dps by far due to the shitty gear around.

Because Agnarr is a try-hard pixel paradise, you often ended up with people refusing to join your group if it didn't had an enchanter, because not having one would nerf your kill speed so hard and people were eager to level as fast as possible. Taking some camps, for example LDCs in SolB, the mobs had so much hp, no one would even go there without a chanter with a charm pet.

This changed slightly with Kunark, when higher dps weapons increased the viability of other classes as dps, especially below level 50. It also changed because the chanter share decreased significantly (especially below 50), so there are not enough Enchanters for every group anymore.

What changed it further: charm becomes more dangerous as mobs hit harder (relatively). In Lguk you could easily take your blue froggy, haste it up and let it rampage through your mobs. If charm broke, it might have hit you down to 60-70% before you had it recharmed.

Going forward in expansions, a charm break of a hasted pet might kill you so quick, you won’t have a chance to re-charm. So it becomes a high risk-high reward game, while in early EQ it is just high-reward with limited risk.

Furthermore, on TLPs pet agro works slightly different. In addition to the known Enchanter benefits of Crack, Haste, CC and good dps charm pet, your charm pet can even tank mobs better than most any player tanks. This was especially true for 39+ as the charm tanks had shit loads of hp and would benefit from Complete Heal better than your 1,000 life Langseax warrior tank.

Thus, I think the progression of expansions already decreases the level of overpowerness of the Enchanter class.

They remain a powerful class, but so do others and as Everquest (at least in its early days) was not designed to make every class equally strong, it doesn’t matter. Every class has its benefits and its uses. The gaps were bigger in classic (why would anyone want a rogue in his group in classic?), but they persisted for a long time.

Without ever having played one, I think the Enchanter charm and CC mechanic is pretty cool, I think it is also pretty unique comparing it to other games. They shouldn’t take that away just so everyone feels equally powerful.

Some people forget that EQ’s was designed to be about cooperation, not competition.

[sereal]

Originally Posted by Yasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some people forget that EQ’s was designed to be about cooperation, not competition.

If that's the goal then why is group XP so damn slow? Even if your group is melting mobs with zero breaks it's still quite a bit slower XP than a enchanter + some other class duo'ing and effectively as safe.

Only reason I can see why enchanters ever join a group < 60 is because they want to be able to take it easy and not have to give 100% focus and possibly if they are after some loot?

I dunno enchanters are pretty cool but it sure seems like they were gifted more than other classes.

[Ahris]

Originally Posted by sereal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If that's the goal then why is group XP so damn slow? Even if your group is melting mobs with zero breaks it's still quite a bit slower XP than a enchanter + some other class duo'ing and effectively as safe.

Only reason I can see why enchanters ever join a group < 60 is because they want to be able to take it easy and not have to give 100% focus and possibly if they are after some loot?

I dunno enchanters are pretty cool but it sure seems like they were gifted more than other classes.

Us who remembers the early days of EQ knows that the game was designed for it to take a really long time to reach lvl 50 and for the first years noone really knew for sure how the spells, stats and mechanics worked. It was a much harder game than it is now because of that. You never saw enchanters soloing like they do now because it was too risky to fight without group support.

[dbouya]

it wasn't just that it was too dangerous to fight without a group, but that every room in basically every zone already had a group at every camp. enchanters would join the group because otherwise they'd be camping a single hallway spawn.

I remember the days where lguk had like 60-100 and even cazicthule dungeon had like 30+