Damage Dealer Rankings - Page 4

baalzy · #31 04-08-2011, 02:37 PM

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After seeing a few posts putting Enchanter higher up in the rankings because of a charmed pet, why wouldn't a Bard also be higher up. Can't a bard charm just as well? Add melee damage on top of that, seems like maybe they should be at the top.

Cause a bard can't charm fight while doing the rest of their job effectively. Bards also can't haste their pet.

Enchanter pets are WTFPWN because they're hitting as hard as the mobs you're currently fighting (which will be harder then any character can hit), but with 60% haste. Then, as long as the enchanter can rely on their charm lasting a reasonable amount of time they're still able to perform their other job duties.

Wenai · #32 04-08-2011, 02:37 PM

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Charmers are obviously #1, then rogues, then proabaly monks. Then at 60 wizards are probably king again (still behind charm classes) by far.

Wizards can't consistently be in the DPS ranking every pull or every kill. If we are talking single targets, then yeah, Wizard will look good. This is why I have always HATED having wizards in groups (other than AE groups obviously).

If you have a well balanced group, a wizard offers pretty much nothing to a group. You are chain pulling creatures and they nuke once every two pulls or so and really don't offer anything. Seriously. A pet class like a Magician will offer so much more with their pet DPS than a wizard ever will.

fischsemmel · #33 04-08-2011, 02:45 PM

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sustained damage rankings

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3. Wizard

Really?

Kassel · #34 04-08-2011, 02:45 PM

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Enchanter
Necro
Monk
Rogue
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Other stuff.

This weekend, you and i are grouping !! you need some rogue love IMO

Bubbles · #35 04-08-2011, 02:52 PM

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After seeing a few posts putting Enchanter higher up in the rankings because of a charmed pet, why wouldn't a Bard also be higher up. Can't a bard charm just as well? Add melee damage on top of that, seems like maybe they should be at the top.

lol no for 2 reasons.

1. ) Bard charm is generally a temporary crowd control thing. A bard can do a real good job of locking down one mob on an overpull to buy CC classes the time to lock adds down. An enchanter (and come kunark a necro) is going to hold a pet the entire raid. A bard charms in emergencies, or as a pulling tool. He'll never, ever be charming continuously for DPS.

2. ) On most raids a bard is going to be manasonging AFK most of the time and would actually be on the bottom of the list. =P

eqravenprince · #36 04-08-2011, 03:12 PM

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Really?

Wishful thinking I guess =). I always though Wizards should be near or at the top of the damage charts.

Ankiilbiter · #37 04-08-2011, 03:27 PM

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Wishful thinking I guess =). I always though Wizards should be near or at the top of the damage charts.

Wait a few expansions, and Wizards will be. But that's assuming a few things... Lots of AA's, High Mana Regen, and very good focus items. Right now, the issue is without an enchie buff and bard mana song playing, wizards go OOM too often to consistently make mob's explode.

Messianic · #38 04-08-2011, 03:39 PM

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Wizards can't consistently be in the DPS ranking every pull or every kill. If we are talking single targets, then yeah, Wizard will look good. This is why I have always HATED having wizards in groups (other than AE groups obviously).

If you have a well balanced group, a wizard offers pretty much nothing to a group. You are chain pulling creatures and they nuke once every two pulls or so and really don't offer anything. Seriously. A pet class like a Magician will offer so much more with their pet DPS than a wizard ever will.

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Wishful thinking I guess =). I always though Wizards should be near or at the top of the damage charts.

Nah, our sustained dps sucks. Wenai has it right - the problem with wizards is they really don't offer much to groups. You'd rather have a Vocarate: Water pet backstabbing the garbage out of a mob and a relatively afk mage than an equal level wizard if you're talking sustained dps. If we could really nuke a lot more often than the mage, we might be more useful. But such is classic.

Now, if you measure where we rank in damage on the last 60% of a boss (who happens to have a crapton of hp) fight, sure - we might measure up. But it's definitely not sustained.

And as has been mentioned, an AoEing wizard is usually a soon-to-be-dead wizard unless you have chanters hard at work stunning the whole group. Esp because our level 53 PBAoE is a stun, so pulls even more aggro than merely nuking the mobs...

eqravenprince · #39 04-08-2011, 04:19 PM

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Wait a few expansions, and Wizards will be. But that's assuming a few things... Lots of AA's, High Mana Regen, and very good focus items. Right now, the issue is without an enchie buff and bard mana song playing, wizards go OOM too often to consistently make mob's explode.

AA's wasn't until Luclin I believe, so we won't see that here. Oh well... sometimes fun to play a character not too many others are playing. Started up a Erudite Shadowknight last night.. not too many of them.

Lazortag · #40 04-08-2011, 04:40 PM

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After seeing a few posts putting Enchanter higher up in the rankings because of a charmed pet, why wouldn't a Bard also be higher up. Can't a bard charm just as well? Add melee damage on top of that, seems like maybe they should be at the top.

The main reason this wouldn't work is the fact that our Charm lasts a maximum of 12 seconds. You can reapply it once it finishes, but even assuming no resists (which is ridiculous since it resists rather often), you still risk getting beat on a lot.