Autosplit System: P99 vs Live

[Live4Redline]

Originally Posted by Noselacri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know what you consider a night, but I am seeing the expected amount of coins from splits. If you have an issue with the amount of money actually dropped by mobs, that's another discussion and should be addressed in futher detail regarding the zone and type of mob. The split mechanic appears to work.

The totall amount of money on the mob is not the issue... its how many coins where on them in classic live compared to here. And that's not a issue that can be easily fixed with out adjusting 100k loot tables... but the way them coins are split is adjustable.

[Uthgaard]

Way to take this completely off topic guys. This is a lot of doomsaying over some extremely slanted worst case scenarios of worst case scenarios. Much like the name policy, it's a huge uproar over something that didn't really change all that much.

It's currently working exactly like it has on live for the past 11 years. You don't see anyone throwing fits alleging that any of these end-of-the-world hypotheticals even took place, much less caused them utter distress. Molehill != Mountain

[Live4Redline]

Well it is a big issue just not for people already in there end game. And although the the principle sounds like its correct the end result is not like classic at all. Whether it be the auto split or the loot tables.

That's the only reason I'm pushing it as hard as I am.

[Uthgaard]

From reading your posts, I think you're misunderstanding what's taking place. No coins are getting lost in the split, the zeroes you're seeing are a display error. Here are my logs from my tests this morning.

[Mon Oct 04 10:25:37 2010] Set 0 Platinum, 0 Gold, 0 Silver, and 10 Copper as coinsplittest000's money.
[Mon Oct 04 10:25:42 2010] Set 0 Platinum, 0 Gold, 0 Silver, and 20 Copper as coinsplittest001's money.
[Mon Oct 04 10:25:45 2010] Set 0 Platinum, 0 Gold, 0 Silver, and 25 Copper as coinsplittest002's money.
[Mon Oct 04 10:26:11 2010] You receive 0 platinum, 0 gold, 0 silver, 10 copper as your split.
[Mon Oct 04 10:26:11 2010] You receive 0 platinum, 0 gold, 0 silver, 10 copper as your split.
[Mon Oct 04 10:26:20 2010] You have slain coinsplittest!
[Mon Oct 04 10:26:22 2010] You receive 0 platinum, 0 gold, 0 silver, 13 copper as your split.
[Mon Oct 04 10:26:22 2010] You receive 0 platinum, 0 gold, 0 silver, 12 copper as your split.
[Mon Oct 04 10:26:28 2010] You have slain coinsplittest!
[Mon Oct 04 10:26:29 2010] You receive 0 platinum, 0 gold, 0 silver, 0 copper as your split.
[Mon Oct 04 10:26:29 2010] You receive 0 platinum, 0 gold, 0 silver, 0 copper as your split.
[Mon Oct 04 10:27:11 2010] Set 0 Platinum, 3 Gold, 3 Silver, and 3 Copper as coinsplittest004's money.
[Mon Oct 04 10:27:22 2010] You receive 0 platinum, 2 gold, 2 silver, 2 copper as your split.
[Mon Oct 04 10:27:22 2010] You receive 0 platinum, 1 gold, 1 silver, 1 copper as your split.
[Mon Oct 04 10:28:02 2010] Set 0 Platinum, 5 Gold, 1 Silver, and 1 Copper as coinsplittest000's money.
[Mon Oct 04 10:28:03 2010] You have slain coinsplittest!
[Mon Oct 04 10:28:04 2010] You receive 0 platinum, 3 gold, 1 silver, 1 copper as your split.
[Mon Oct 04 10:28:04 2010] You receive 0 platinum, 2 gold, 0 silver, 0 copper as your split.
[Mon Oct 04 10:31:08 2010] Thirdwheel has joined the group.
[Mon Oct 04 10:31:28 2010] Set 0 Platinum, 5 Gold, 1 Silver, and 1 Copper as coinsplittest001's money.
[Mon Oct 04 10:31:33 2010] You have slain coinsplittest!
[Mon Oct 04 10:31:35 2010] You receive 0 platinum, 3 gold, 1 silver, 1 copper as your split.
[Mon Oct 04 10:31:35 2010] You receive 0 platinum, 1 gold, 0 silver, 0 copper as your split.
[Mon Oct 04 10:31:35 2010] You receive 0 platinum, 1 gold, 0 silver, 0 copper as your split.
[Mon Oct 04 10:31:50 2010] Set 0 Platinum, 30 Gold, 20 Silver, and 10 Copper as coinsplittest004's money.
[Mon Oct 04 10:31:54 2010] You have slain coinsplittest!
[Mon Oct 04 10:31:56 2010] You receive 0 platinum, 10 gold, 8 silver, 4 copper as your split.
[Mon Oct 04 10:31:56 2010] You receive 0 platinum, 10 gold, 6 silver, 3 copper as your split.
[Mon Oct 04 10:31:56 2010] You receive 0 platinum, 10 gold, 6 silver, 3 copper as your split.

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[oldhead]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I actually posted this before I saw this thread. It's working correctly as it is right now. There was never any downconverting. It was advantageous to be the one to loot every corpse even if you had split on.

In zones where mobs would frequently drop ~5 plat, you could quickly make a decent amount of cash off a group of 6 who weren't aware of the split mechanics.

You little ninja looten bastage!

[Karnek]

I still think it's funny people are arguing about these mechanics. I am not sure how they expect the game to split 5pp between 6 people when it never down converted coins. This is exactly how the game worked before minus the display bug of seeing the 0s show up for coin types that you received none of, and as Uthgaard has said, they are aware of it. Some people are simply misremembering how things worked or to them for whatever reason it doesn't 'feel' right. They took away target group buff in the last patch, if you want to get worked up about something it won't be back till late Velious.

[Live4Redline]

^ And i think its funny that people are picking and choosing what there reading.



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This Mechanic has two aspects: "The system in which the coins are split" and the "Amount of coins listed on the loot table".

From the beginning I've agreed with the fact that the looter got more coins then the group but that the system didn't feel right and the end result was not correct. I've spent most the morning traveling the world here checking loot tables and the coin drops and i can clearly say the issue is the loot tables.

Mobs just don't drop more then 9 of a coin like they did in live classic. Everything has been rounded up on the loot table and now we're trying to break that down again and its not working correctly. Varrent/SOE knew how the autosplit system worked and the mobs coin drops were built to accommodate this, here on emu they where not. Hill Giants drop nothing but plat and on live they dropped 50-70 gold a pop. The totals ended up being the same but the coins where already broke down on the loot tables.

People keep saying its working correctly and its working correctly and your right... the math is working correctly but the end result is NOT. And its not classic. The mathematical odds that your getting ANY coin drop at all from the autosplit system whether the mob is in the 1p range or the 5p range is so low that you end up getting almost nothing at the end of the night. The most your gonna get from your autosplit in most situations... is 0p,0g,1s,1c or you get the 0p,1g,1s,0c or hell if your killing high drop mobs maybe you'll get lucky with a 1p,1g,0s,1c. (All this is based on six man groups where its most detrimental)

The mobs DON"T drop enough coins to be breaking them down the way we are.

And that leaves two options... Fix the loot tables or the autosplit system. Which ones easier?





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[Teeroyoyort]

Great job on the loot system and the whole group revamp. I think it's wonderful. The system is great.

The problem is with mobs don't start out with 15ish gold pieces. Instead they start out with less than 10. Which means a full group of 6 one person gets loot, and everyone else gets diddly. You guys remember killing hill giants and getting like 10pp and 150 gold pieces? that's an extreme example, but that's what the mobs need, is more gold pieces! aside from hill giants and raid mobs, i believe most mobs gold count went up to 15ish, which would solve ur hating on the loot system. because the main looter will still get more than everyone else, however the group will actually see some coins too! I believe this is the missing element.

[mjavor]

If this was real and 6 people killed a mob which dropped coin, there is no way we would agree to the way the splitting is working now. We would split it as evenly as possible. I don't know why that is so hard to do.

[Rogean]

I have spoke with nilbog about the system, and in interest of common fairness for all group members, and the lack of knowing just exactly the system worked in classic because we know it didn't result in the looter having THAT much of an advantage, we will be changing it to downconvert leftover coins downward until left with only copper remains. This means that the most the looter could ever get over the rest of the group is 5 copper.